It's currently 150+. Why don't they just make it a terabyte and no one
can fit it on their comp?
It's currently 150+. Why don't they just make it a terabyte and no one
can fit it on their comp?
Xocyll wrote:
Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> looked up from reading theI've gotten the non-VIP treatment from Best Buy and Dell recently. They
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
It's currently 150+. Why don't they just make it a terabyte and no one
can fit it on their comp?
You _don't_ have a multi-terabyte drive?
What, you think it's 2010 or something?
Current System: 2TB SSD + 16TB of Spinning Rust
Hell I even have a 1TB USB Stick.
Xocyll
gave me the runaround on big hard drives and I ended up with a couple
comps with half a terabyte each for the last four yrs. Maybe I will
look into wired external hard drives for a bit, since that could be
good. I wonder what the data rate is like for those.
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 06:43:59 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
Eewww pre-builts!
Build your own and you get exactly the hardware you want.
I'm less picky.
Yes, if you want the ultimate gaming rig, maxed out in every area,
you're not going to get that experience from an OEM... not even from a >boutique reseller. But that sort of hardware is really only for the
sake of HAVING the hardware, and not actually because you're getting
some benefit in gameplay. And most people have neither the money, nor
time, nor expertise for putting together a computer like that.
Also, in my own personal experience, you aren't really saving much
money by getting somebody else to do it for you either. While some
boutique PC vendors are positively predatory in their pricing <cough
cough Falcon PC cough cough>, more mid-tier boutiques are relatively >competitive in cost. Yes, it's more... but not MUCH more. The days
when you could get a far superior PC for far less money are long past;
even boutique gaming PCs are sold at the narrowest of margins these
days.
TL;DR; get what makes sense to your wallet and usage scenario. If
that's a cheap OEM, or a mid-tier boutique pre-built, or building your
own from scratch, they're all good and -thanks to how powerful our
computers have become- you'll probably have a good experience when it
comes to games.
External HDs are ok for storage or watching movies/listening to music,
but you would not want to game from one.
That depends on your hardware. External SSDs linked through
Thunderbolt3 ports have surprising performance. I won't go so far to
say that they can compete with the fastest internal drives, they are >definitely good enough for gaming on. Certainly they are faster than
any spinning-rust drives. If you're not rocking the fastest SSD
internally (which is probably the case for a lot of OEM devices) you
may actually see a benefit from using the external.
Of course, a lot of PCs don't offer the fastest Thunderbolt3 ports,
and a lot of external drives tend to be slower hardware too. Don't buy
a 16TB Western Digital MyBook off of Amazon and think you can drop
"Doom Dark Ages" on it and have any sort of a good time. Your typical
USB3 port -and the old-school platter technology- will make that a
painful experience.
But if you need some more space, your PC has Thunderbolt3 and you
bought a fast external SSD? It'll work.
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 14:05:05 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
say:
It's currently 150+. Why don't they just make it a terabyte and no one >>>> can fit it on their comp?
You _don't_ have a multi-terabyte drive?
What, you think it's 2010 or something?
Current System: 2TB SSD + 16TB of Spinning Rust
Hell I even have a 1TB USB Stick.
Xocyll
In fairness, a lot of laptops (and even some computers) are /still/
shipping with hard-drives* less than 1TB, and I'm always surprised at
how many people use ordinary laptops --not even overpriced gaming
laptops, but just regular 'designed mostly for office work' laptops--
as their primary gaming platform. Space for games on these machines is
at a premium, and dedicating 100+GB to a single title can be /very/
annoying.
It's kind of like a bubble that pops when the install is 100+ GB. I had
this with Street Fighter V, GTA V and Baldur's Gate III. When I finally decide to uninstall, about ten other games instantly fill the vacuum. I started to realize that <2 GB for a game is nearly trivial (on half a terabyte).
Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but
I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
itself while playing games.
On 23/06/2025 18:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but
I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
itself while playing games.
Personally I still build (well I like to say assemble as build sounds
far to grand for what you actually do) my own and it probable does save
me money as I can reuse parts and do minor refreshes when required. It
also means I don't end up with LED's everywhere!
Generally though I say go with an OEM/pre-built mainly because most
people don't have the expertise (or confidence) to either select the
parts or put them together. The latter part isn't hard if you have some >knowledge but lots of people (I'd imagine the norm by far) don't even
have that minimum.
I remember going around a friend of my better half's house to help him
with his PC. I don't know what he had done but a best guess was he tried
to remove the DVI cable from PC not realising that you have to undo the >screws first, it wasn't pretty.
JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
On 23/06/2025 18:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but
I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
itself while playing games.
Personally I still build (well I like to say assemble as build sounds
far to grand for what you actually do) my own and it probable does save
me money as I can reuse parts and do minor refreshes when required. It
also means I don't end up with LED's everywhere!
I don't mind the LEDs, as long as I don't have to pay extra.
In fact my ram has bloody lights on it as do the fans I bought, simply because it would have cost more to get em without (the fans were on
clearance at 1/3rd normal price, and they're basic red lighting not
rainbow and don't look bad with a black case.)
Generally though I say go with an OEM/pre-built mainly because most
people don't have the expertise (or confidence) to either select the
parts or put them together. The latter part isn't hard if you have some
knowledge but lots of people (I'd imagine the norm by far) don't even
have that minimum.
I've always said that assembling a computer is about as hard as playing
with LEGOs (and I started saying that back in the days when everything
had a jumper to set.)
Unfortunately, there exist in the world, people who would be incapable
of playing with LEGOs.
I remember going around a friend of my better half's house to help him
with his PC. I don't know what he had done but a best guess was he tried
to remove the DVI cable from PC not realising that you have to undo the
screws first, it wasn't pretty.
Oh look, you found one of the LEGO challenged.
Now imagine him changing his brake pads.
JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
On 23/06/2025 18:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but
I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
itself while playing games.
Personally I still build (well I like to say assemble as build sounds
far to grand for what you actually do) my own and it probable does save
me money as I can reuse parts and do minor refreshes when required. It
also means I don't end up with LED's everywhere!
I don't mind the LEDs, as long as I don't have to pay extra.
In fact my ram has bloody lights on it as do the fans I bought, simply because it would have cost more to get em without (the fans were on
clearance at 1/3rd normal price, and they're basic red lighting not
rainbow and don't look bad with a black case.)
Generally though I say go with an OEM/pre-built mainly because most
people don't have the expertise (or confidence) to either select the
parts or put them together. The latter part isn't hard if you have some
knowledge but lots of people (I'd imagine the norm by far) don't even
have that minimum.
I've always said that assembling a computer is about as hard as playing
with LEGOs (and I started saying that back in the days when everything
had a jumper to set.)
Unfortunately, there exist in the world, people who would be incapable
of playing with LEGOs.
I remember going around a friend of my better half's house to help him
with his PC. I don't know what he had done but a best guess was he tried
to remove the DVI cable from PC not realising that you have to undo the
screws first, it wasn't pretty.
Oh look, you found one of the LEGO challenged.
Now imagine him changing his brake pads.
On 6/24/2025 2:29 AM, Xocyll wrote:
JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the pornThere is a term for that. "Evolution in Action."
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
On 23/06/2025 18:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but >>>> I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
itself while playing games.
Personally I still build (well I like to say assemble as build sounds
far to grand for what you actually do) my own and it probable does save
me money as I can reuse parts and do minor refreshes when required. It
also means I don't end up with LED's everywhere!
I don't mind the LEDs, as long as I don't have to pay extra.
In fact my ram has bloody lights on it as do the fans I bought, simply
because it would have cost more to get em without (the fans were on
clearance at 1/3rd normal price, and they're basic red lighting not
rainbow and don't look bad with a black case.)
Generally though I say go with an OEM/pre-built mainly because most
people don't have the expertise (or confidence) to either select the
parts or put them together. The latter part isn't hard if you have some
knowledge but lots of people (I'd imagine the norm by far) don't even
have that minimum.
I've always said that assembling a computer is about as hard as playing
with LEGOs (and I started saying that back in the days when everything
had a jumper to set.)
Unfortunately, there exist in the world, people who would be incapable
of playing with LEGOs.
I remember going around a friend of my better half's house to help him
with his PC. I don't know what he had done but a best guess was he tried >>> to remove the DVI cable from PC not realising that you have to undo the
screws first, it wasn't pretty.
Oh look, you found one of the LEGO challenged.
Now imagine him changing his brake pads.
On 24/06/2025 10:29, Xocyll wrote:
JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the pornThe nearest I've got to a LED in my PC is the MB has a very small strip >running near the edge of it which lights up when it's powered. It would
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
On 23/06/2025 18:25, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
Twenty years ago, I was all on the side of 'build your own' but these
days? You get almost the same cost/value benefit from OEMs, and a lot
more ease of use. I still like tinkering and building my own rigs, but >>>> I get value from_that_ and don't really see it in the end-product
itself while playing games.
Personally I still build (well I like to say assemble as build sounds
far to grand for what you actually do) my own and it probable does save
me money as I can reuse parts and do minor refreshes when required. It
also means I don't end up with LED's everywhere!
I don't mind the LEDs, as long as I don't have to pay extra.
In fact my ram has bloody lights on it as do the fans I bought, simply
because it would have cost more to get em without (the fans were on
clearance at 1/3rd normal price, and they're basic red lighting not
rainbow and don't look bad with a black case.)
have been useful when I was having problems with my last PC that turned
out to be a dodgy PSU.
I think that's where the confidence part comes in. I know lots of peopleGenerally though I say go with an OEM/pre-built mainly because most
people don't have the expertise (or confidence) to either select the
parts or put them together. The latter part isn't hard if you have some
knowledge but lots of people (I'd imagine the norm by far) don't even
have that minimum.
I've always said that assembling a computer is about as hard as playing
with LEGOs (and I started saying that back in the days when everything
had a jumper to set.)
Unfortunately, there exist in the world, people who would be incapable
of playing with LEGOs.
who think that putting together the parts of a PC is some sort of magic >without realising that everything is sized/keyed so you don't have to
worry about it. Saying that for my last upgrade I did get a combined >MB/CPU/RAM on the grounds you could pretty much select which ones you
want and I always hate the CPU part.
When it comes to the car I do basically nothing beyond filling upI remember going around a friend of my better half's house to help him
with his PC. I don't know what he had done but a best guess was he tried >>> to remove the DVI cable from PC not realising that you have to undo the
screws first, it wasn't pretty.
Oh look, you found one of the LEGO challenged.
Now imagine him changing his brake pads.
windscreen washer fluid. Everything else someone else can do it. Even
when it came to changing one of the reverse lights I was going to do it >myself as looking on YouTube made it look easy. I'm glad I didn't as in
the end it turned out not to be not so easy and even the guy who did it
said it was one of those cars that he doesn't like doing as it's really >fiddly.
I also had one of my friends berate me for not knowing how to change a
wheel (technical I kinda do know how to do it even though I've never
done it) as what happens if I get a puncture. I kindly pointed out that
the car had run flat tyres so you can get to a garage and just as
importantly there is no spare wheel.
The positive though, we have a garage near us that does a good job and
also won't rip you off which is more that can be said for the official >dealer. I stopped using them for anything many years ago after during a >service they charged £35 just for topping up the windscreen washer
fluid. How the feck can you justify that price as an additional cost of
a service.
When it comes to the car I do basically nothing beyond filling up
windscreen washer fluid. Everything else someone else can do it. Even
when it came to changing one of the reverse lights I was going to do it
myself as looking on YouTube made it look easy. I'm glad I didn't as in
the end it turned out not to be not so easy and even the guy who did it
said it was one of those cars that he doesn't like doing as it's really
fiddly.
Yeah it can really depend heavily on the make and model of car - some manufacturers do the stupidest shit.
Like those Japanese cars where the engine is shoehorned in so tight, you
have to pull it out to change the spark plugs on one side.
Who thought that was a good idea?
I also had one of my friends berate me for not knowing how to change a
wheel (technical I kinda do know how to do it even though I've never
done it) as what happens if I get a puncture. I kindly pointed out that
the car had run flat tyres so you can get to a garage and just as
importantly there is no spare wheel.
Most cars do not have run flats, but yeah I hear ya on the spare, the
most you get these days is one of those tiny "space saver" donut tires.
The positive though, we have a garage near us that does a good job and
also won't rip you off which is more that can be said for the official
dealer. I stopped using them for anything many years ago after during a
service they charged £35 just for topping up the windscreen washer
fluid. How the feck can you justify that price as an additional cost of
a service.
You answered that with your first line "When it comes to the car I do basically nothing beyond filling up windscreen washer fluid."
When they have clients incapable of doing the most basic things, they
charge em for it.
They're happy to pay, since it absolves them of having to think.
As a follow up:
PCGamesN has an article* on the very subject, pointing to the data of
the June 2025 Steam Hardware survey** where Valve reports that storage
is increasingly becoming an issue for gamers. 15% of gamers survey
have less than 100GB free on their drives; 25% have less than 250GB
free. That's space for one or two modern "big" games (or about half of
a full install of MS Flight Sim 2020 ;-).
Modern games do require a lot of disk space --all those high-res
textures and sound files are storage hogs-- but developers /could/ be
a bit less profligate with our hard-drives if they needed to be. I
don't NEED multiple language files for every game installed on my
computer (or, worse, multiple cinematic video files with different languages); the developers could give us a choice of which we want
when we install (some developers do just that, and offer the other
language packs as free DLC should we suddenly desire to play Call of
Halo LXXIV in Swahili, or something).
Maybe this survey will start making them realize the necessity.
On 08/07/2025 17:11, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
As a follow up:
PCGamesN has an article* on the very subject, pointing to the data of
the June 2025 Steam Hardware survey** where Valve reports that storage
is increasingly becoming an issue for gamers. 15% of gamers survey
have less than 100GB free on their drives; 25% have less than 250GB
free. That's space for one or two modern "big" games (or about half of
a full install of MS Flight Sim 2020 ;-).
Modern games do require a lot of disk space --all those high-res
textures and sound files are storage hogs-- but developers /could/ be
a bit less profligate with our hard-drives if they needed to be. I
don't NEED multiple language files for every game installed on my
computer (or, worse, multiple cinematic video files with different
languages); the developers could give us a choice of which we want
when we install (some developers do just that, and offer the other
language packs as free DLC should we suddenly desire to play Call of
Halo LXXIV in Swahili, or something).
Maybe this survey will start making them realize the necessity.
I've got 1.5TB SSD + 1TB HDD and find that is pretty much enough as I
don't tend to play the bit hitters when it comes to storage so I can
have more than enough games installed and then occasionally do some
house cleaning if it get below 0.5TB free.
It's one of the things that's nice about Steam, it can take some time
but reinstalling a game is just easy and you even have cloud saves as well.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 16:10:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 ><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 07:50 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 08/07/2025 17:11, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
As a follow up:
PCGamesN has an article* on the very subject, pointing to the data of
the June 2025 Steam Hardware survey** where Valve reports that storage >>>> is increasingly becoming an issue for gamers. 15% of gamers survey
have less than 100GB free on their drives; 25% have less than 250GB
free. That's space for one or two modern "big" games (or about half of >>>> a full install of MS Flight Sim 2020 ;-).
Modern games do require a lot of disk space --all those high-res
textures and sound files are storage hogs-- but developers /could/ be
a bit less profligate with our hard-drives if they needed to be. I
don't NEED multiple language files for every game installed on my
computer (or, worse, multiple cinematic video files with different
languages); the developers could give us a choice of which we want
when we install (some developers do just that, and offer the other
language packs as free DLC should we suddenly desire to play Call of
Halo LXXIV in Swahili, or something).
Maybe this survey will start making them realize the necessity.
I've got 1.5TB SSD + 1TB HDD and find that is pretty much enough as I
don't tend to play the bit hitters when it comes to storage so I can
have more than enough games installed and then occasionally do some
house cleaning if it get below 0.5TB free.
It's one of the things that's nice about Steam, it can take some time
but reinstalling a game is just easy and you even have cloud saves as well. >>
Yeah, but also I have a small enough library that I can fit it on
internal storage with a fair amount left.
You have failed The Number. ;-)
I'm afraid to know how much space it would take to install all the
games in my Steam library (much less /all/ my games). More space than
I have available by at least two orders of magnitude, I would guess.
But that's only for now. I remember struggling in the 90s trying to
get space enough for games. Now, I have pretty much every DOS-era game >installed onto a single hard-disk. One day soon, I hope, I'll be able
to say the same for games of the 2020s. ;-)
On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 07:30:11 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
Just thinking - first floppy disk $10 for a SS/SD 160KB 5.25"
Now you pay that (or not much more) for a Terabyte USB stick.
I don't think I ever paid that much for an individual floppy disk, but
I do remember paying $20-30 for a five pack of disks (I don't remember
the density, but I'm pretty sure they were double sided). I treated
those disks like they were gold. Assuming they were single-density
(which is likely, since they were for my Apple II) that came to around
$19 per megabyte, the equivalent cost of a terrabyte would come to
slightly more than $18 million USD. Yowza!
If ever I got my hands on a time machine, I wouldn't use it to kill
Hitler or learn the secrets of history. No, I'd go back in time a few
decades to flaunt how great modern technology is to us primitive
cavemen of the 80s. "Lookit how much storage I have! Be amazed at the >graphics I can render real-time! My CPU has 32 cores! Nyahahahaha!"
Which is probably why they don't let me have a time machine ;-)
Well ok around $130 for the Terabyte stick, still a good deal since >>13x160KB is only 2.08 MB and the stick is way easier to carry around.
It's amazing how quickly storage costs have dropped. I was actually
looking into the same thing the other day and saw a 1TB SSD for <$50.
Like I said earlier, I eagerly await the time in the not-so-far-future
when I can install all my current games on a single drive, just
because drives have gotten so large and so inexpensive that why not?
But, like you said, once that happens, applications, games and
operating systems will quickly expand to make use of the added space.
You used to be able to fit a whole OS in the CORNER of a floppy disk!
Now you need 20+GB. God knows what we'll need in ten years.
On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 16:10:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
<candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote at 07:50 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 08/07/2025 17:11, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
As a follow up:
PCGamesN has an article* on the very subject, pointing to the data of
the June 2025 Steam Hardware survey** where Valve reports that storage >>>> is increasingly becoming an issue for gamers. 15% of gamers survey
have less than 100GB free on their drives; 25% have less than 250GB
free. That's space for one or two modern "big" games (or about half of >>>> a full install of MS Flight Sim 2020 ;-).
Modern games do require a lot of disk space --all those high-res
textures and sound files are storage hogs-- but developers /could/ be
a bit less profligate with our hard-drives if they needed to be. I
don't NEED multiple language files for every game installed on my
computer (or, worse, multiple cinematic video files with different
languages); the developers could give us a choice of which we want
when we install (some developers do just that, and offer the other
language packs as free DLC should we suddenly desire to play Call of
Halo LXXIV in Swahili, or something).
Maybe this survey will start making them realize the necessity.
I've got 1.5TB SSD + 1TB HDD and find that is pretty much enough as I
don't tend to play the bit hitters when it comes to storage so I can
have more than enough games installed and then occasionally do some
house cleaning if it get below 0.5TB free.
It's one of the things that's nice about Steam, it can take some time
but reinstalling a game is just easy and you even have cloud saves as well. >>
Yeah, but also I have a small enough library that I can fit it on
internal storage with a fair amount left.
You have failed The Number. ;-)
I'm afraid to know how much space it would take to install all the
games in my Steam library (much less /all/ my games). More space than
I have available by at least two orders of magnitude, I would guess.
But that's only for now. I remember struggling in the 90s trying to
get space enough for games. Now, I have pretty much every DOS-era game installed onto a single hard-disk. One day soon, I hope, I'll be able
to say the same for games of the 2020s. ;-)
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 09:39:20 -0500, Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> wrote:--
It's currently 150+. Why don't they just make it a terabyte and no one
can fit it on their comp?
20+ years of updates is going to do that.
150 GB after 20 yrs. Wow.
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