• Re: There is usually something to make me quit playing a game after a w

    From PW@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Tue Jun 24 19:26:07 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 13:28:43 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:39 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    System Shock: The non-stop spiders and monkies
    Doom Eternal : The jumping, and jumpling puzzles - that will make me
    stop playing a game immediately (although the new one hasn't ticked me
    off yet - I am not taking it seriously just playing it on easy and
    shooting stuff which is enough fun for now)

    The lack of save game slots and quick saves, and only checkpoints.

    Having to "cheat" by having to farm stuff in order to proceed and
    level up. I have no idea how I lasted so long with Elden Ring but I am
    sure I almost finished it but am not going back to try and finish it.
    Which leads me to:

    Hard and almost impossible boss fights, or boss fights to begin with!

    And now, I have just about had it with Oblivian Remastered. Do you
    know what is going to make me quit playing it (I love it!)?

    The seemingly non-stop lockpicking puzzles! I have just about had it
    with that!

    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    A lot of these seem to break down to "I hate repetition", as in,
    "don't make me keep replaying the same stuff over and over again."
    Whether it's a reuse of a mechanic or monster (lock-picking, killer
    space monkeys) or instant-death pits that make platforming a chore.

    Which I can totally get behind. It's one of the more frustrating parts
    of gaming for me, largely because I'm playing for the experience more
    than the challenge. I want to explore strange new worlds, see new
    vistas, meet (and kill!) new critters, and do new things. Being forced
    to do the same thing -especially if it's the same exact challenge-
    over and over again bores me.

    Totally agree Spalls!

    -pw

    I don't tend to quit a game because of it (just because I make effort
    to finish every game I start) but that sort of thing will definitely
    result in a more snarky take in my end-of-month round-ups ;-)


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  • From PW@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Wed Jun 25 19:12:40 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:39 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    System Shock: The non-stop spiders and monkies
    Doom Eternal : The jumping, and jumpling puzzles - that will make me
    stop playing a game immediately (although the new one hasn't ticked me
    off yet - I am not taking it seriously just playing it on easy and
    shooting stuff which is enough fun for now)

    The lack of save game slots and quick saves, and only checkpoints.

    Having to "cheat" by having to farm stuff in order to proceed and
    level up. I have no idea how I lasted so long with Elden Ring but I am
    sure I almost finished it but am not going back to try and finish it.
    Which leads me to:

    Hard and almost impossible boss fights, or boss fights to begin with!

    And now, I have just about had it with Oblivian Remastered. Do you
    know what is going to make me quit playing it (I love it!)?

    The seemingly non-stop lockpicking puzzles! I have just about had it
    with that!

    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    :-)

    -pw

    *---

    Well, I just quit playing Oblivion Remastered. I am only level 2 and
    I see no reason why I should already have a HARD rated lockpicking
    puzzle trying to get out of the sewers. I had 30 lockpicks and there
    are four tumblers. I get 2 out of the 4 and mess up one and have to
    start all over again!

    Goodbye!

    Let's see. What should I play next....

    Frustrating.

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Wed Jun 25 21:01:40 2025
    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 19:12:40 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:39 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    System Shock: The non-stop spiders and monkies
    Doom Eternal : The jumping, and jumpling puzzles - that will make me
    stop playing a game immediately (although the new one hasn't ticked me
    off yet - I am not taking it seriously just playing it on easy and
    shooting stuff which is enough fun for now)

    The lack of save game slots and quick saves, and only checkpoints.

    Having to "cheat" by having to farm stuff in order to proceed and
    level up. I have no idea how I lasted so long with Elden Ring but I am
    sure I almost finished it but am not going back to try and finish it.
    Which leads me to:

    Hard and almost impossible boss fights, or boss fights to begin with!

    And now, I have just about had it with Oblivian Remastered. Do you
    know what is going to make me quit playing it (I love it!)?

    The seemingly non-stop lockpicking puzzles! I have just about had it
    with that!

    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    :-)

    -pw

    *---

    Well, I just quit playing Oblivion Remastered. I am only level 2 and
    I see no reason why I should already have a HARD rated lockpicking
    puzzle trying to get out of the sewers. I had 30 lockpicks and there
    are four tumblers. I get 2 out of the 4 and mess up one and have to
    start all over again!

    Goodbye!

    Let's see. What should I play next....

    Frustrating.

    -pw

    *--

    I found a way out without the lockpick puzzle. Not sure I ended up in
    the right place. Forgot about the clarivoyance spell to light the
    way. So I am back at it :-)

    I thought you all would be interested hehe

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 10:12:22 2025
    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Saying that I think it was here that one poster said that they only play
    games with some sort of god mode as they just like exploring the game environment.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jun 26 15:26:04 2025
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> writes:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Do games generally have stupid hard puzzles these days? I've been
    playing the 1997 Outlaws game and just puked through this whole puzzle
    *level*. Water canals, swimming, diving, choking, fiddling with gates to
    direct the water flow, loads of fun NOT. So I just followed a
    walkthrough. Good thing is, as it's an old game the level is still
    reasonably small.

    Another puzzle that gave me trouble was the chess puzzle in the System
    Shock Remake, mostly because I suck at chess. The other puzzles in there
    were pretty easy although one time the lightning made it near impossible
    to see the gauge you were supposed to set to some value.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Thu Jun 26 19:29:24 2025
    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> writes:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Do games generally have stupid hard puzzles these days? I've been
    playing the 1997 Outlaws game and just puked through this whole puzzle *level*. Water canals, swimming, diving, choking, fiddling with gates to direct the water flow, loads of fun NOT. So I just followed a
    walkthrough. Good thing is, as it's an old game the level is still
    reasonably small.

    Ugh. It reminded me of Dark Forces' safe puzzle. Annoying!


    Another puzzle that gave me trouble was the chess puzzle in the System
    Shock Remake, mostly because I suck at chess. The other puzzles in there
    were pretty easy although one time the lightning made it near impossible
    to see the gauge you were supposed to set to some value.

    Ugh, I don't know chess either.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jun 26 14:32:28 2025
    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:12:22 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Saying that I think it was here that one poster said that they only play >games with some sort of god mode as they just like exploring the game >environment.

    *--

    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    -pw

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jun 27 06:10:06 2025
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 19:29 this Thursday (GMT):
    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> writes:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Do games generally have stupid hard puzzles these days? I've been
    playing the 1997 Outlaws game and just puked through this whole puzzle
    *level*. Water canals, swimming, diving, choking, fiddling with gates to
    direct the water flow, loads of fun NOT. So I just followed a
    walkthrough. Good thing is, as it's an old game the level is still
    reasonably small.

    Ugh. It reminded me of Dark Forces' safe puzzle. Annoying!

    At least it wasn't an unsafe puzzle :D

    Another puzzle that gave me trouble was the chess puzzle in the System
    Shock Remake, mostly because I suck at chess. The other puzzles in there
    were pretty easy although one time the lightning made it near impossible
    to see the gauge you were supposed to set to some value.

    Ugh, I don't know chess either.


    I know chess in the most technical sense (I know the rules, and how
    pieces move), but I suck at actually playing it.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 08:52:28 2025
    On 26/06/2025 21:32, PW wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:12:22 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Saying that I think it was here that one poster said that they only play
    games with some sort of god mode as they just like exploring the game
    environment.

    *--

    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.


    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls
    in FPS'es!

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Fri Jun 27 08:50:33 2025
    On 26/06/2025 13:26, Anssi Saari wrote:
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> writes:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Do games generally have stupid hard puzzles these days? I've been
    playing the 1997 Outlaws game and just puked through this whole puzzle *level*. Water canals, swimming, diving, choking, fiddling with gates to direct the water flow, loads of fun NOT. So I just followed a
    walkthrough. Good thing is, as it's an old game the level is still
    reasonably small.

    Sorry, I should have made my comment clearer. I was talking in the
    context of actual puzzle games and not games with puzzles in them. One I
    did stop playing for this reason was The Witness. It started off well we
    you navigating around mazes on 'boards' but then you started getting
    ones that relied more on memory and not reasoning. That I found pushed
    me into the frustration area. I could kinda see that they were trying to
    'mix it up' but it just wasn't for me and after I realise how much I was relying on YT I decided to stop playing.

    Puzzles in games now, I tend to agree that they've gone out of fashion
    now (CRPG's is one I remember were they seemed almost mandatory which I
    presume is because of their heritage from D&D). It's not that I don't
    like them as such but more I don't think they add anything in particular.

    Another puzzle that gave me trouble was the chess puzzle in the System
    Shock Remake, mostly because I suck at chess. The other puzzles in there
    were pretty easy although one time the lightning made it near impossible
    to see the gauge you were supposed to set to some value.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jun 27 11:37:45 2025
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:

    Ugh, I don't know chess either.

    :) I was so satisfied when I beat that chess puzzle and the reward was
    useful, some extra inventory space as I recall. It's hard to cheat on it
    since the game includes a bunch of chess puzzles (or game states) and
    selects one at random.

    But then I read how the computer plays, it apparently just picks a legal
    move randomly. Big whoop, I beat the RNG :)

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Jun 27 12:08:33 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 08:52:28 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 26/06/2025 21:32, PW wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:12:22 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 24/06/2025 17:18, PW wrote:
    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    That's high on my list. It's fine if you do it occasionally but not so
    much when you think am I actually playing the game or am I just
    repeating what I saw in a YT video.

    Saying that I think it was here that one poster said that they only play >>> games with some sort of god mode as they just like exploring the game
    environment.

    *--

    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.


    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? :-)

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 12:11:17 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 08:00:27 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/24/2025 10:28 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:39 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    System Shock: The non-stop spiders and monkies
    Doom Eternal : The jumping, and jumpling puzzles - that will make me
    stop playing a game immediately (although the new one hasn't ticked me
    off yet - I am not taking it seriously just playing it on easy and
    shooting stuff which is enough fun for now)

    The lack of save game slots and quick saves, and only checkpoints.

    Having to "cheat" by having to farm stuff in order to proceed and
    level up. I have no idea how I lasted so long with Elden Ring but I am
    sure I almost finished it but am not going back to try and finish it.
    Which leads me to:

    Hard and almost impossible boss fights, or boss fights to begin with!

    And now, I have just about had it with Oblivian Remastered. Do you
    know what is going to make me quit playing it (I love it!)?

    The seemingly non-stop lockpicking puzzles! I have just about had it
    with that!

    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    A lot of these seem to break down to "I hate repetition", as in,
    "don't make me keep replaying the same stuff over and over again."
    Whether it's a reuse of a mechanic or monster (lock-picking, killer
    space monkeys) or instant-death pits that make platforming a chore.

    Which I can totally get behind. It's one of the more frustrating parts
    of gaming for me, largely because I'm playing for the experience more
    than the challenge. I want to explore strange new worlds, see new
    vistas, meet (and kill!) new critters, and do new things. Being forced
    to do the same thing -especially if it's the same exact challenge-
    over and over again bores me.

    I don't tend to quit a game because of it (just because I make effort
    to finish every game I start) but that sort of thing will definitely
    result in a more snarky take in my end-of-month round-ups ;-)

    "Doesn't respect your time." is how the kids say it.

    I'm getting old, and if I'm not enjoying it because it's repetitive or a >chore, I might suffer through a bit, but my tolerance is way less than
    it was when I was younger. Though that may be more there wasn't as many >games and my budget for them was nearly non-existent when I was younger.

    Some things I don't mind though. Really hard bosses, based on my
    original plays of DS3 and Bloodborne that's somewhere up in the 70
    tries, at least if I can vary loadouts, tacics, etc. Over 100 (Midir)
    is too much. I find my tolerance much lower in games where you don't
    really have any choice, like just having a gun and weapon. That's one
    reason I don't like the first bosses especially of any of the souls
    games that you can't progress without defeating them. You haven't built
    up any arsenal to try anything different, can't level up, etc.

    Inventory management with lots of junk really grates on me now - BG3 is >horrible with this getting worse and worse to the point it was too much
    in act 3. I fully intend to go back and play again if there's a
    de-junkifier or inventory mod.

    Nightreign somehow manages to be both boring and heartpounding at the
    same time. The 45 minutes of leveling up and getting equipment every
    time you attempt a boss with time pressure, but really the areas and
    mobs are nearly the same every single time. Maybe I just don't like >roguelites like that any more, or maybe I never really did and just a
    few really good ones overcame that.

    Then of course there's the random or super rare drops in games like >Borderlands, Diablo, where you keep fighting the same mobs/bosses over
    and over trying to get that perfect drop, or even just a good one. I've
    had an assfull of that, and don't have the patience anymore.

    *--

    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 12:33:36 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 08:02:34 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/25/2025 8:01 PM, PW wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 19:12:40 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:39 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    System Shock: The non-stop spiders and monkies
    Doom Eternal : The jumping, and jumpling puzzles - that will make me
    stop playing a game immediately (although the new one hasn't ticked me >>>> off yet - I am not taking it seriously just playing it on easy and
    shooting stuff which is enough fun for now)

    The lack of save game slots and quick saves, and only checkpoints.

    Having to "cheat" by having to farm stuff in order to proceed and
    level up. I have no idea how I lasted so long with Elden Ring but I am >>>> sure I almost finished it but am not going back to try and finish it.
    Which leads me to:

    Hard and almost impossible boss fights, or boss fights to begin with!

    And now, I have just about had it with Oblivian Remastered. Do you
    know what is going to make me quit playing it (I love it!)?

    The seemingly non-stop lockpicking puzzles! I have just about had it
    with that!

    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    :-)

    -pw

    *---

    Well, I just quit playing Oblivion Remastered. I am only level 2 and
    I see no reason why I should already have a HARD rated lockpicking
    puzzle trying to get out of the sewers. I had 30 lockpicks and there
    are four tumblers. I get 2 out of the 4 and mess up one and have to
    start all over again!

    Goodbye!

    Let's see. What should I play next....

    Frustrating.

    -pw

    *--

    I found a way out without the lockpick puzzle. Not sure I ended up in
    the right place. Forgot about the clarivoyance spell to light the
    way. So I am back at it :-)

    I thought you all would be interested hehe

    -pw

    You might enjoy the auto success lockpicking mod:

    https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivionremastered/mods/313

    *--

    I knew you come through Justisaur!!!

    I installed it and will give it a shot later and try to find something
    to unlock. I don't think I have a save game in that place to leave the
    sewers.

    Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    -pw

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Fri Jun 27 23:30:39 2025
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against
    it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is
    more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad
    in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!
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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 19:15:01 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 08:02:34 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/25/2025 8:01 PM, PW wrote:
    On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 19:12:40 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:18:39 -0600, PW
    <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:

    System Shock: The non-stop spiders and monkies
    Doom Eternal : The jumping, and jumpling puzzles - that will make me
    stop playing a game immediately (although the new one hasn't ticked me >>>> off yet - I am not taking it seriously just playing it on easy and
    shooting stuff which is enough fun for now)

    The lack of save game slots and quick saves, and only checkpoints.

    Having to "cheat" by having to farm stuff in order to proceed and
    level up. I have no idea how I lasted so long with Elden Ring but I am >>>> sure I almost finished it but am not going back to try and finish it.
    Which leads me to:

    Hard and almost impossible boss fights, or boss fights to begin with!

    And now, I have just about had it with Oblivian Remastered. Do you
    know what is going to make me quit playing it (I love it!)?

    The seemingly non-stop lockpicking puzzles! I have just about had it
    with that!

    Oh - any stupid and hard puzzles in a game which forces me to
    constantly look up cheats on the internet will make me stop playing a
    game real quick now at my age!

    :-)

    -pw

    *---

    Well, I just quit playing Oblivion Remastered. I am only level 2 and
    I see no reason why I should already have a HARD rated lockpicking
    puzzle trying to get out of the sewers. I had 30 lockpicks and there
    are four tumblers. I get 2 out of the 4 and mess up one and have to
    start all over again!

    Goodbye!

    Let's see. What should I play next....

    Frustrating.

    -pw

    *--

    I found a way out without the lockpick puzzle. Not sure I ended up in
    the right place. Forgot about the clarivoyance spell to light the
    way. So I am back at it :-)

    I thought you all would be interested hehe

    -pw

    You might enjoy the auto success lockpicking mod:

    https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivionremastered/mods/313

    *---

    Yabba Dabba Doooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! I can try and solve the lock puzzels
    or hit R for AutoAttemp! Yippee!! It works!

    And, I left out of the sewer the correct way thanks to the cheat and
    the circumstances are different than when I left thru the other exit.

    Interesting!

    Thanks J!!!!

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 09:07:15 2025
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? 🙂

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I
    never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually
    get out of it.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Sat Jun 28 09:09:27 2025
    On 27/06/2025 09:37, Anssi Saari wrote:
    But then I read how the computer plays, it apparently just picks a legal
    move randomly. Big whoop, I beat the RNG 🙂

    To be honest, when I play chess I do much the same!

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 08:55:28 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against
    it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and
    there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is
    more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad
    in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I
    see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something?
    Do you can them for winter?

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jun 28 08:52:14 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 09:07:15 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls >>> in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I
    never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually
    get out of it.

    *--

    That is why I do not play on-line. That and I don't have the time to
    play a game beforehand to get good enough to compete on-line. I mean,
    some of these players - all they do is focus on that one game or two -
    it is their lives I guess. Not fun! :-)

    I used to just play Unreal Tournament 2004 (still mess with it now and
    then), Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 on-line so that tells you a bit about me
    and on-line games lol! There was cheating but probably not like there
    is now. Society has gone down the sewer I guess :-)

    -pw

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jun 28 08:12:26 2025
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls >>> in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? 🙂

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I
    never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually
    get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power! "You don't control me game makers! I'll do
    whatever I want with your world!!!"

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Sat Jun 28 22:13:22 2025
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against >> it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and
    there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is
    more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad
    in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I
    see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something?
    Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!
    --
    "Blessings crown the head of the righteous, but violence overwhelms the mouth of the wicked." --Proverbs 10:6. Fri. was busier than yesterday 2 make this old ant (a)estivate into a bad mawny.
    Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
    /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org.
    / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail.
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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 19:16:11 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through
    walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I
    never quite understood why people would use them as what do you
    actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do
    whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms
    with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back
    later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't
    gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 28 19:18:00 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 22:13:22 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against >> >> it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and
    there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is
    more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad >> >> in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I
    see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something?
    Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    I forgot about those!


    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!

    Maybe they are crafting something. I need to get my magnifier out to
    see exactly what they are carry but I may end up catching them on fire
    though ;-)

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Sun Jun 29 08:36:47 2025
    On 29/06/2025 02:59, Justisaur wrote:
    Cheat Engine often has tables for any offline games, or you can set up invulnerability pretty easy.  I mostly use Cheat Engine to speed up
    games that have tedious parts or slow them down when they're too fast
    paced for my old reflexes (but yet I'm somehow reasonably good at souls
    games without any cheats. Oh yes, I did cheat past some very tedius
    farming for materials in DS1 on my SL1 character, after I'd already
    finished the game a couple times, and proved I could farm them, it was
    just would have been many many hours of farming.)  Also auto-pickup
    armor & weapon boxes in EDF as it's too tedious to farm in hardest/
    inferno otherwise, really it's too tedious in inferno even doing that.

    I don't use cheat mods myself but I can see why people would use the
    type of ones you're talking about. Indeed I don't really see it
    particularly different to looking something up with google which I try
    not to do but does happen.

    Talos Principle is an example for me, it's probably has ninety or so
    puzzle areas and out of those I used YT twice after not even doing other
    areas for a flash of inspiration worked. On top of that there was the
    last level which I though was just horrible. I could see they were
    trying to provide a grand finale but introducing a time limit into a
    game which previously had none felt like a bad idea. I tried several
    times and it was a case of you'd hopefully make a bit of progress with
    each try but it was really a case of not thinking about things but
    instead just trying something and hoping it worked.

    For cheat mods I don't understand there is one for Hearts of Iron IV.
    What's the challenge of 'beating' the game if that's just typing things
    in. That's just like bragging about how good you are at online computer
    games when you've just paid players who are actually good to play on
    your account.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 29 04:49:29 2025
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
    the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 6/28/2025 6:16 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through >>>>>>> walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>> never quite understood why people would use them as what do you
    actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do >>>> whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms
    with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back
    later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't
    gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    I'm sure you can look up which, I never used it, it seemed like it took
    too much challenge out of games. I did briefly use wizard mode which
    lets you save your game in Nethack, except it didn't help that much
    other than with experimenting. I think sometimes the walking through
    walls part is called wall-hack?

    Ayep, and why the no talent newbs accuse everyone who kills them of
    being a wall-hacker. Although mostly that's less about walking through
    walls as it is seeing through walls to locate your opponents.

    I'm pretty sure a lot of console ports have things like that. I think
    at least some of the earlier Doom, and other FPS games did too

    IDSPISPOPD and such

    Bethesda has a lot of console commands you can use without even using
    mods. Apparently tgm is the command in console to turn on god mode.
    hit ~ to open the console. Then type: tgm<enter> and ~ again to exit
    console mode.

    I remember infinite ammo/no reloading is a popular cheat/mod in a lot of
    FPSs as well.

    And similar games, I used to use that in Oni since I hate melee and ammo
    was always scarce (plus the magic ammo packs gave you less ammo for the
    better guns (and you could only carry one gun at a time.))

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 29 04:30:44 2025
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against >> >> it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and
    there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is
    more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad >> >> in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I
    see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something?
    Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!

    You sure it's not a Parisian Catacombs kind of deal?

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 29 21:03:34 2025
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 18:59:47 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 6:16 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through >>>>>>> walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>> never quite understood why people would use them as what do you
    actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do >>>> whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms
    with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back
    later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't
    gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    I'm sure you can look up which, I never used it, it seemed like it took
    too much challenge out of games. I did briefly use wizard mode which
    lets you save your game in Nethack, except it didn't help that much
    other than with experimenting. I think sometimes the walking through
    walls part is called wall-hack?

    I'm pretty sure a lot of console ports have things like that. I think
    at least some of the earlier Doom, and other FPS games did too

    Bethesda has a lot of console commands you can use without even using
    mods. Apparently tgm is the command in console to turn on god mode.
    hit ~ to open the console. Then type: tgm<enter> and ~ again to exit
    console mode.

    I remember infinite ammo/no reloading is a popular cheat/mod in a lot of
    FPSs as well.

    Cheat Engine often has tables for any offline games, or you can set up >invulnerability pretty easy. I mostly use Cheat Engine to speed up
    games that have tedious parts or slow them down when they're too fast
    paced for my old reflexes (but yet I'm somehow reasonably good at souls
    games without any cheats. Oh yes, I did cheat past some very tedius
    farming for materials in DS1 on my SL1 character, after I'd already
    finished the game a couple times, and proved I could farm them, it was
    just would have been many many hours of farming.) Also auto-pickup
    armor & weapon boxes in EDF as it's too tedious to farm in
    hardest/inferno otherwise, really it's too tedious in inferno even doing >that.

    *--

    I wonder if there is one for Elden Ring so I can finish the game. Or
    maybe just to frollic around without worrying about dying :-)

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Mon Jun 30 07:42:31 2025
    On 29/06/2025 09:49, Xocyll wrote:
    Ayep, and why the no talent newbs accuse everyone who kills them of
    being a wall-hacker. Although mostly that's less about walking through walls as it is seeing through walls to locate your opponents.

    The World of Tanks forum had more than its fair share of players who'd
    scream cheat at the slightest thing. It didn't seem to matter how many
    times it was pointed out that the pretty much all the calculations were
    done server side. Was there a mod. that removed foliage, yes there was
    but all the spotting calculations were done by the server so it doesn't
    really help.

    The bigger one though was the game was rigged against them because they
    had such uber tenk skillz.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 09:58:27 2025
    Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    Xocyll wrote:
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add >>>>>>> crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against >>>>>> it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and >>>>>> there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is >>>>>> more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad >>>>>> in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I
    see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something?
    Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!

    You sure it's not a Parisian Catacombs kind of deal?

    Xocyll

    Troll! You guys buy games but never show any evidence of playing them.
    But at least we know how they affect your 'palate.'

    Oh I play various games, but that is modulo my chronic pain. Some days
    my back hurts to much to sit at the computer and play or go out and I
    end up watching a movie or series on the dvd player.

    Currently doing dailies in Star Trek Online and sporadically playing
    Tina Tina's Wonderlands and Torchlight 3.

    Still not really back up to snuff after the hospital stay.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Mon Jun 30 07:12:34 2025
    On 6/29/2025 11:42 PM, JAB wrote:
    On 29/06/2025 09:49, Xocyll wrote:
    Ayep, and why the no talent newbs accuse everyone who kills them of
    being a wall-hacker.   Although mostly that's less about walking through >> walls as it is seeing through walls to locate your opponents.

    The World of Tanks forum had more than its fair share of players who'd
    scream cheat at the slightest thing. It didn't seem to matter how many
    times it was pointed out that the pretty much all the calculations were
    done server side. Was there a mod. that removed foliage, yes there was
    but all the spotting calculations were done by the server so it doesn't really help.

    The bigger one though was the game was rigged against them because they
    had such uber tenk skillz.

    If they have such "uber tenk skillz" then why were they getting their
    asses kicked? :P

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Mon Jun 30 07:11:15 2025
    On 6/30/2025 6:58 AM, Xocyll wrote:
    Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    Xocyll wrote:
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
    spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add >>>>>>>> crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against
    it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and >>>>>>> there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is >>>>>>> more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad >>>>>>> in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I >>>>> see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something? >>>>> Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!

    You sure it's not a Parisian Catacombs kind of deal?

    Xocyll

    Troll! You guys buy games but never show any evidence of playing them.
    But at least we know how they affect your 'palate.'

    Oh I play various games, but that is modulo my chronic pain. Some days
    my back hurts to much to sit at the computer and play or go out and I
    end up watching a movie or series on the dvd player.

    Currently doing dailies in Star Trek Online and sporadically playing
    Tina Tina's Wonderlands and Torchlight 3.

    Still not really back up to snuff after the hospital stay.

    My sympathies as I am likely to be in a similar situation in the near
    future.

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    dirty old man.

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 30 18:41:30 2025
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 04:54:23 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2025 8:03 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 18:59:47 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 6:16 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through >>>>>>>>> walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>>>> never quite understood why people would use them as what do you
    actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do >>>>>> whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms >>>>> with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back
    later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't >>>>> gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    I'm sure you can look up which, I never used it, it seemed like it took
    too much challenge out of games. I did briefly use wizard mode which
    lets you save your game in Nethack, except it didn't help that much
    other than with experimenting. I think sometimes the walking through
    walls part is called wall-hack?

    I'm pretty sure a lot of console ports have things like that. I think
    at least some of the earlier Doom, and other FPS games did too

    Bethesda has a lot of console commands you can use without even using
    mods. Apparently tgm is the command in console to turn on god mode.
    hit ~ to open the console. Then type: tgm<enter> and ~ again to exit
    console mode.

    I remember infinite ammo/no reloading is a popular cheat/mod in a lot of >>> FPSs as well.

    Cheat Engine often has tables for any offline games, or you can set up
    invulnerability pretty easy. I mostly use Cheat Engine to speed up
    games that have tedious parts or slow them down when they're too fast
    paced for my old reflexes (but yet I'm somehow reasonably good at souls
    games without any cheats. Oh yes, I did cheat past some very tedius
    farming for materials in DS1 on my SL1 character, after I'd already
    finished the game a couple times, and proved I could farm them, it was
    just would have been many many hours of farming.) Also auto-pickup
    armor & weapon boxes in EDF as it's too tedious to farm in
    hardest/inferno otherwise, really it's too tedious in inferno even doing >>> that.

    *--

    I wonder if there is one for Elden Ring so I can finish the game. Or
    maybe just to frollic around without worrying about dying :-)

    Due to the anti-cheat you have to disable that first and play offline.
    And of course, there's thousands of mods for ER.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/6481

    *--

    Thanks! Should I try it? I will back up the one and only save game
    file but are there other things to worry about that I might lose? Does
    it work with my same character or do I start all over with a new one?

    Just thinking out loud J! :-)

    I am sure there are areas that I did not go to since the world is
    huge. I would love to mess around with it again. But, in reality, I
    forget how to play it! :-)

    -pw

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Tue Jul 1 09:13:13 2025
    On 30/06/2025 15:12, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/29/2025 11:42 PM, JAB wrote:
    On 29/06/2025 09:49, Xocyll wrote:
    Ayep, and why the no talent newbs accuse everyone who kills them of
    being a wall-hacker.   Although mostly that's less about walking through >>> walls as it is seeing through walls to locate your opponents.

    The World of Tanks forum had more than its fair share of players who'd
    scream cheat at the slightest thing. It didn't seem to matter how many
    times it was pointed out that the pretty much all the calculations
    were done server side. Was there a mod. that removed foliage, yes
    there was but all the spotting calculations were done by the server so
    it doesn't really help.

    The bigger one though was the game was rigged against them because
    they had such uber tenk skillz.

    If they have such "uber tenk skillz" then why were they getting their
    asses kicked?  :P

    The normal excuse was that their team (it's a 15 vs. 15 format no
    respawns) was deliberately made 'bad' compared to the enemy team. The
    fact that if global stats are rigged then how do you tell a bad player
    from a good one and the implication is that the other twenty nine
    players are just there to target one individual was lost on them.

    Even when someone analysed thousand of replays looking at team
    composition showing that it was what you'd expect if skill wasn't taken
    into account didn't matter for 'reasons'.

    Other excuses, the RNG was rigged against them, everyone else was using
    cheat mod's, it's impossible to lose ten games in a row and good players
    were only good as they spent money.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Praetor Mandrake on Tue Jul 1 11:56:41 2025
    Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> writes:

    Not necessarily. While I also think that lots of people use cheats too
    much, there is a use for them if something is too difficult in the
    game to complete. This happened that I needed to pass a helicopter
    mission in GTA: Liberty City. My pal gave me a list of cheats and I
    chose only one - slow motion. Even with that I completed the 7 minute
    mission with only 2 seconds to spare.

    I do remember how hard it was to fly a helicopter in GTA (that RC toy
    mission to carry bombs to a contruction site), especially with just a
    keyboard back then. Three axes of rotation plus height control?
    Gah. Felt like my brain was trying to turn sideways.

    Somehow I muddled through but also got a controller for the PC soon
    after. When San Andreas came out there was no question any more, driving
    and flying with a controller, on foot mouse + keyboard was the only way
    to go.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 1 05:31:43 2025
    Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    Xocyll wrote:
    Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    Xocyll wrote:
    ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn >>>> spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add >>>>>>>>> crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against
    it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and >>>>>>>> there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is >>>>>>>> more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad
    in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games. >>>>>>>
    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I >>>>>> see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something? >>>>>> Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!

    You sure it's not a Parisian Catacombs kind of deal?

    Xocyll

    Troll! You guys buy games but never show any evidence of playing them.
    But at least we know how they affect your 'palate.'

    Oh I play various games, but that is modulo my chronic pain. Some days
    my back hurts to much to sit at the computer and play or go out and I
    end up watching a movie or series on the dvd player.

    Currently doing dailies in Star Trek Online and sporadically playing
    Tina Tina's Wonderlands and Torchlight 3.

    Still not really back up to snuff after the hospital stay.

    Xocyll


    How is Torchlight 3? I made some progress in one of the earlier, but had
    no outside references to consult.

    Very much like the previous ones, except with different character
    classes.

    It's enjoyable enough for me to be playing, although I have no idea
    about it's replayability.

    Diablo2 is still the gold standard for that - played it on and off for a decade.

    Would have bought the updated version of D2 except they made it online
    only and I have less than zero interest in battle.net (Had to do the
    online but playing solo thing for Diablo3 - wait in line to play, lag,
    random disconnects, these did NOT improve my solo game play.
    Uninstalled D3 after maybe 2 months and never had any desire to
    reinstall it, nor any desire to buy anything else they've made since
    that cannot be played offline.)

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to spallshurgenson@gmail.com on Tue Jul 1 14:28:55 2025
    On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 10:21:09 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    (or, and this is the secret intent of my post, maybe it exists already
    and somebody will, "Um... actually" me and provide a link. ;-)

    Check out Project D2. It is the version of Diablo 2 I play when I want
    a D2 fix. It adds widescreen support, more inventory space, item
    stacking, a Path of Exile map system, more viable builds... amongst
    other things. You can play it online on their server, or offline
    single player with plugy support. --->

    https://www.projectdiablo2.com/

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 06:05:41 2025
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 29/06/2025 09:49, Xocyll wrote:
    Ayep, and why the no talent newbs accuse everyone who kills them of
    being a wall-hacker. Although mostly that's less about walking through
    walls as it is seeing through walls to locate your opponents.

    The World of Tanks forum had more than its fair share of players who'd
    scream cheat at the slightest thing. It didn't seem to matter how many
    times it was pointed out that the pretty much all the calculations were
    done server side. Was there a mod. that removed foliage, yes there was
    but all the spotting calculations were done by the server so it doesn't >really help.

    Never played WoT, since I have zero interest in PVP.
    And I learned long ago to stay away from game forums.

    The bigger one though was the game was rigged against them because they
    had such uber tenk skillz.

    Yep, everyone else must be cheating because it's unthinkable that they
    just suck.

    Egos <sigh>.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 06:03:34 2025
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 11:56:41 +0300, Anssi Saari ><anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:

    Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> writes:

    Not necessarily. While I also think that lots of people use cheats too
    much, there is a use for them if something is too difficult in the
    game to complete. This happened that I needed to pass a helicopter
    mission in GTA: Liberty City. My pal gave me a list of cheats and I
    chose only one - slow motion. Even with that I completed the 7 minute
    mission with only 2 seconds to spare.

    I do remember how hard it was to fly a helicopter in GTA (that RC toy >>mission to carry bombs to a contruction site), especially with just a >>keyboard back then. Three axes of rotation plus height control?
    Gah. Felt like my brain was trying to turn sideways.

    Somehow I muddled through but also got a controller for the PC soon
    after. When San Andreas came out there was no question any more, driving >>and flying with a controller, on foot mouse + keyboard was the only way
    to go.

    Gah indeed. Those RC-helicopter missions were attrociously bad. They
    weren't much better on original console either. You have to wonder why >Rockstar made them that way; they couldn't have been unaware of how
    poor the controls were (perhaps in "Vice City", but in "San Andreas"?
    They were just being purposefuly nasty).

    Having gamed almost my entire life with mouse/keyboard, I never
    developed the neural connections that made gamepad us natural to me.
    So I resisted even owning a gamepad for the longest time. But "San
    Andreas" was, I'm pretty sure, the game that broke me (and those
    stupid RC missions in specific). I hated that I had to resort to a
    gamepad, but ultimately I plugged one in to get past those missions.

    Since I finished GTA:SA, they must have been doable with mouse and
    keyboard, cause I have never had a controller.

    Couldn't have been harder than landing an actual helicopter on the
    freighter (for the mission on the freighter) in GTA:VC.

    Guaranteed you damage the blades, but if you were quick at the landing
    and got out fast so it took no more damage, then at the end of the
    mission where you have to flee the ship, you just hopped in and flew
    away instead of trying to break through the cops and escape by car.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 2 06:25:52 2025
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 05:31:43 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Diablo2 is still the gold standard for that - played it on and off for a >>decade.

    Would have bought the updated version of D2 except they made it online
    only and I have less than zero interest in battle.net (Had to do the
    online but playing solo thing for Diablo3 - wait in line to play, lag, >>random disconnects, these did NOT improve my solo game play.
    Uninstalled D3 after maybe 2 months and never had any desire to
    reinstall it, nor any desire to buy anything else they've made since
    that cannot be played offline.)

    I'm surprised that modders haven't created a fan-made update patch for
    the original Diablo 2; one that improves the visuals and adds various
    QOL features to bring the 2000 game more in-line with modern
    sensibilities. There's the official "Resurrected" re-release, of
    course, but you're not alone in disliking its 'improvements'. You'd
    think some of the more dissatisfied fans might have taken it into
    their hands to 'do it right'. Heck, even the original Diablo got a fan >remaster of sorts (DevilutionX https://devilutionx.com/).

    Likely there is no fan made one just because of the official one. Why
    put in the work to remake what already exists, especially if they don't
    have a problem with the forced b.net connection.

    But maybe that's because ActiMicroBlizzard hasn't sold the game as a >stand-alone game for decades, instead only selling versions closely
    tied to Battle.Net.

    Well for all games they make, it's a deal breaker for me to have a
    forced online component, especially when their net code sucks so badly.

    I got more lag in Diablo3 with the forced online for soloing than in any
    5 MMOs I've played, combined.

    Fix your fucking net code before you force people online, Blizzard!

    Maybe one day we'll get the "Diablo 2" equivalent of XVM.

    XVM?

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Wed Jul 2 18:20:10 2025
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote at 13:39 this Sunday (GMT):
    On 6/29/2025 1:08 AM, Praetor Mandrake wrote:

    Maybe they are crafting something.  I need to get my magnifier out to
    see exactly what they are carry but I may end up catching them on fire
    though ;-)

    -pw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHuqeSbs9Ik&t=136s


    ^Today I learned

    Holy shit! (Some) ants can recognize themselves in the mirror? That's
    one of the higher order thinking tests!


    wow i didnt know that, thats actually really cute ^^
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Wed Jul 2 18:20:09 2025
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 14:52 this Saturday (GMT):
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 09:07:15 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls >>>> in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I
    never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually >>get out of it.

    *--

    That is why I do not play on-line. That and I don't have the time to
    play a game beforehand to get good enough to compete on-line. I mean,
    some of these players - all they do is focus on that one game or two -
    it is their lives I guess. Not fun! :-)

    I used to just play Unreal Tournament 2004 (still mess with it now and
    then), Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 on-line so that tells you a bit about me
    and on-line games lol! There was cheating but probably not like there
    is now. Society has gone down the sewer I guess :-)

    -pw


    L4D online is still pretty popular from what I've seen (the main co-op
    and versus modes, the mutation sidegames are impossible to get a lobby
    for). Valve magic and all.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Jul 2 18:20:11 2025
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 22:13 this Saturday (GMT):
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 23:30:39 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Those are some more things that bug me to lol! I am going to add
    crafting to my list to :-)

    Crafting, ugh. Yeah that goes on my list too. I'm not quite as against >> >> it as I mostly don't mind what little of it is in the souls games, and
    there's at leas some other game it was kind of fun in. The bad part is
    more about the farming part of crafting, which in general isn't too bad >> >> in souls. I remember absolutely hating it in some other games.

    Ugh, crafting. I don't like grinding! I do that enough IRL!

    *--

    What do you ants do with all the leaves and sticks and dead bodies I
    see you hauling around all over the place? Make a bed or something?
    Do you can them for winter?

    Leaf cutter use leaves for raising fungus for food. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=leaf-cutter+ants+fungus for details.

    Sticks? Like outside? Decorations?

    Dead bodies? Throw them away!


    noted
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  • From PW@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Wed Jul 2 18:33:24 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 14:52 this Saturday (GMT): >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 09:07:15 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls >>>>> in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually >>>get out of it.

    *--

    That is why I do not play on-line. That and I don't have the time to
    play a game beforehand to get good enough to compete on-line. I mean,
    some of these players - all they do is focus on that one game or two -
    it is their lives I guess. Not fun! :-)

    I used to just play Unreal Tournament 2004 (still mess with it now and
    then), Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 on-line so that tells you a bit about me
    and on-line games lol! There was cheating but probably not like there
    is now. Society has gone down the sewer I guess :-)

    -pw


    L4D online is still pretty popular from what I've seen (the main co-op
    and versus modes, the mutation sidegames are impossible to get a lobby
    for). Valve magic and all.

    *--

    I used to play it sometimes until 2AM, waiting for the German and
    other players ahead of my time zone to start playing and on expert
    mode. Actually won a level or two on expert with help from players
    probably better than I was. Now, I don't remember how I got that good
    lol!!! I play LFD 2 offline once in a while and can't believe how
    hard and long the games can be!! So much work! now!!! I could never
    last playing on-line either. I have forgotten most of the maps is one
    thing and get lost sometimes. I used to have each one memorized in
    both versions, not any more! I get lost and bored and tired now lol!


    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 12:46:02 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 10:39:52 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/30/2025 5:41 PM, PW wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 04:54:23 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2025 8:03 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 18:59:47 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 6:16 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through >>>>>>>>>>> walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>>>>>> never quite understood why people would use them as what do you >>>>>>>>> actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do >>>>>>>> whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms >>>>>>> with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back >>>>>>> later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't >>>>>>> gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    I'm sure you can look up which, I never used it, it seemed like it took >>>>> too much challenge out of games. I did briefly use wizard mode which >>>>> lets you save your game in Nethack, except it didn't help that much
    other than with experimenting. I think sometimes the walking through >>>>> walls part is called wall-hack?

    I'm pretty sure a lot of console ports have things like that. I think >>>>> at least some of the earlier Doom, and other FPS games did too

    Bethesda has a lot of console commands you can use without even using >>>>> mods. Apparently tgm is the command in console to turn on god mode. >>>>> hit ~ to open the console. Then type: tgm<enter> and ~ again to exit >>>>> console mode.

    I remember infinite ammo/no reloading is a popular cheat/mod in a lot of >>>>> FPSs as well.

    Cheat Engine often has tables for any offline games, or you can set up >>>>> invulnerability pretty easy. I mostly use Cheat Engine to speed up
    games that have tedious parts or slow them down when they're too fast >>>>> paced for my old reflexes (but yet I'm somehow reasonably good at souls >>>>> games without any cheats. Oh yes, I did cheat past some very tedius
    farming for materials in DS1 on my SL1 character, after I'd already
    finished the game a couple times, and proved I could farm them, it was >>>>> just would have been many many hours of farming.) Also auto-pickup
    armor & weapon boxes in EDF as it's too tedious to farm in
    hardest/inferno otherwise, really it's too tedious in inferno even doing >>>>> that.

    *--

    I wonder if there is one for Elden Ring so I can finish the game. Or
    maybe just to frollic around without worrying about dying :-)

    Due to the anti-cheat you have to disable that first and play offline.
    And of course, there's thousands of mods for ER.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/6481

    *--

    Thanks! Should I try it? I will back up the one and only save game
    file but are there other things to worry about that I might lose? Does
    it work with my same character or do I start all over with a new one?

    I'd assume it works with the same character. It looks like that mod is
    a bit old and may not work any more but you can find cheat engine tables
    that at least would let you never take damage. Again you have to
    disable the anti-cheat though.

    Here's a cheat table for cheat engine that goes over the whole process
    of how to get it working.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/48

    Just thinking out loud J! :-)

    I am sure there are areas that I did not go to since the world is
    huge. I would love to mess around with it again. But, in reality, I
    forget how to play it! :-)

    When I come back to a game I haven't played in awhile I always start the
    game anew, at least until I remember how to play, then I can switch back
    to an old character if I feel like it.

    *--

    Going to do it J! Start over after backing up the current game file.

    God Bless America from Montana!

    -pw

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 12:58:53 2025
    O

    Here's a cheat table for cheat engine that goes over the whole process
    of how to get it working.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/48

    Just thinking out loud J! :-)

    This is too much for me to deal with. I only want to not die :-)

    Thanks

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 12:57:10 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 10:39:52 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/30/2025 5:41 PM, PW wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 04:54:23 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2025 8:03 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 18:59:47 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 6:16 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through >>>>>>>>>>> walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>>>>>> never quite understood why people would use them as what do you >>>>>>>>> actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do >>>>>>>> whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms >>>>>>> with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back >>>>>>> later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't >>>>>>> gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    I'm sure you can look up which, I never used it, it seemed like it took >>>>> too much challenge out of games. I did briefly use wizard mode which >>>>> lets you save your game in Nethack, except it didn't help that much
    other than with experimenting. I think sometimes the walking through >>>>> walls part is called wall-hack?

    I'm pretty sure a lot of console ports have things like that. I think >>>>> at least some of the earlier Doom, and other FPS games did too

    Bethesda has a lot of console commands you can use without even using >>>>> mods. Apparently tgm is the command in console to turn on god mode. >>>>> hit ~ to open the console. Then type: tgm<enter> and ~ again to exit >>>>> console mode.

    I remember infinite ammo/no reloading is a popular cheat/mod in a lot of >>>>> FPSs as well.

    Cheat Engine often has tables for any offline games, or you can set up >>>>> invulnerability pretty easy. I mostly use Cheat Engine to speed up
    games that have tedious parts or slow them down when they're too fast >>>>> paced for my old reflexes (but yet I'm somehow reasonably good at souls >>>>> games without any cheats. Oh yes, I did cheat past some very tedius
    farming for materials in DS1 on my SL1 character, after I'd already
    finished the game a couple times, and proved I could farm them, it was >>>>> just would have been many many hours of farming.) Also auto-pickup
    armor & weapon boxes in EDF as it's too tedious to farm in
    hardest/inferno otherwise, really it's too tedious in inferno even doing >>>>> that.

    *--

    I wonder if there is one for Elden Ring so I can finish the game. Or
    maybe just to frollic around without worrying about dying :-)

    Due to the anti-cheat you have to disable that first and play offline.
    And of course, there's thousands of mods for ER.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/6481

    *--

    Thanks! Should I try it? I will back up the one and only save game
    file but are there other things to worry about that I might lose? Does
    it work with my same character or do I start all over with a new one?

    I'd assume it works with the same character. It looks like that mod is
    a bit old and may not work any more but you can find cheat engine tables
    that at least would let you never take damage. Again you have to
    disable the anti-cheat though.

    Here's a cheat table for cheat engine that goes over the whole process
    of how to get it working.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/48

    Just thinking out loud J! :-)

    I am sure there are areas that I did not go to since the world is
    huge. I would love to mess around with it again. But, in reality, I
    forget how to play it! :-)

    When I come back to a game I haven't played in awhile I always start the
    game anew, at least until I remember how to play, then I can switch back
    to an old character if I feel like it.

    *--

    I never heard of a table before. I am still new to this cheat stuff
    hehe

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 12:55:00 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 10:39:52 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/30/2025 5:41 PM, PW wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 04:54:23 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2025 8:03 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 18:59:47 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 6:16 PM, PW wrote:
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 11:44:25 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/28/2025 8:12 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 6/28/2025 1:07 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or
    story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through >>>>>>>>>>> walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>>>>>> never quite understood why people would use them as what do you >>>>>>>>> actually get out of it.

    A feeling of Godly power!  "You don't control me game makers!  I'll do >>>>>>>> whatever I want with your world!!!"

    Also to explore without having to worry about dying, find hidden rooms >>>>>>> with no entrance, or all the secret areas. Not having to come back >>>>>>> later with key x to open a door (personally I hate that, but haven't >>>>>>> gone that far.)

    *--

    That sounds great sometimes. Which game and cheat do I need? :-)

    I'm sure you can look up which, I never used it, it seemed like it took >>>>> too much challenge out of games. I did briefly use wizard mode which >>>>> lets you save your game in Nethack, except it didn't help that much
    other than with experimenting. I think sometimes the walking through >>>>> walls part is called wall-hack?

    I'm pretty sure a lot of console ports have things like that. I think >>>>> at least some of the earlier Doom, and other FPS games did too

    Bethesda has a lot of console commands you can use without even using >>>>> mods. Apparently tgm is the command in console to turn on god mode. >>>>> hit ~ to open the console. Then type: tgm<enter> and ~ again to exit >>>>> console mode.

    I remember infinite ammo/no reloading is a popular cheat/mod in a lot of >>>>> FPSs as well.

    Cheat Engine often has tables for any offline games, or you can set up >>>>> invulnerability pretty easy. I mostly use Cheat Engine to speed up
    games that have tedious parts or slow them down when they're too fast >>>>> paced for my old reflexes (but yet I'm somehow reasonably good at souls >>>>> games without any cheats. Oh yes, I did cheat past some very tedius
    farming for materials in DS1 on my SL1 character, after I'd already
    finished the game a couple times, and proved I could farm them, it was >>>>> just would have been many many hours of farming.) Also auto-pickup
    armor & weapon boxes in EDF as it's too tedious to farm in
    hardest/inferno otherwise, really it's too tedious in inferno even doing >>>>> that.

    *--

    I wonder if there is one for Elden Ring so I can finish the game. Or
    maybe just to frollic around without worrying about dying :-)

    Due to the anti-cheat you have to disable that first and play offline.
    And of course, there's thousands of mods for ER.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/6481

    *--

    Thanks! Should I try it? I will back up the one and only save game
    file but are there other things to worry about that I might lose? Does
    it work with my same character or do I start all over with a new one?

    I'd assume it works with the same character. It looks like that mod is
    a bit old and may not work any more but you can find cheat engine tables
    that at least would let you never take damage. Again you have to
    disable the anti-cheat though.

    Here's a cheat table for cheat engine that goes over the whole process
    of how to get it working.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/48

    Just thinking out loud J! :-)

    I am sure there are areas that I did not go to since the world is
    huge. I would love to mess around with it again. But, in reality, I
    forget how to play it! :-)

    When I come back to a game I haven't played in awhile I always start the
    game anew, at least until I remember how to play, then I can switch back
    to an old character if I feel like it.

    *---

    I assume I need to create a new character. I would want to start
    again with a "fighter" instead of a "priest" (confessor) like I used
    amy way.

    -pw

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 4 16:06:07 2025
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 06:25:52 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the >>entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:


    Maybe one day we'll get the "Diablo 2" equivalent of XVM.

    XVM?

    Sorry. "X-Wing Virtual Machine", a fan remake of the original game
    that was discussed here a few weeks ago (hence my blind assumptions
    the initialism would be recongized). They completely rebuilt the game
    engine to modern standards whilst retaining the gameplay of the
    original (often to the game's detriment, since the original had some
    terrible mission design at times).

    But if you want to play "X-Wing" like it was 1993 but want modern
    hardware support and visuals, XVM is the best way to do it.

    A "Diablo 2" fan-remake using that same philosophy would be ideal.

    Indeed that does sound good.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Thu Jul 10 15:50:03 2025
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 00:33 this Thursday (GMT):
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 14:52 this Saturday (GMT): >>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 09:07:15 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls >>>>>> in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually >>>>get out of it.

    *--

    That is why I do not play on-line. That and I don't have the time to
    play a game beforehand to get good enough to compete on-line. I mean,
    some of these players - all they do is focus on that one game or two -
    it is their lives I guess. Not fun! :-)

    I used to just play Unreal Tournament 2004 (still mess with it now and
    then), Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 on-line so that tells you a bit about me
    and on-line games lol! There was cheating but probably not like there
    is now. Society has gone down the sewer I guess :-)

    -pw


    L4D online is still pretty popular from what I've seen (the main co-op
    and versus modes, the mutation sidegames are impossible to get a lobby >>for). Valve magic and all.

    *--

    I used to play it sometimes until 2AM, waiting for the German and
    other players ahead of my time zone to start playing and on expert
    mode. Actually won a level or two on expert with help from players
    probably better than I was. Now, I don't remember how I got that good
    lol!!! I play LFD 2 offline once in a while and can't believe how
    hard and long the games can be!! So much work! now!!! I could never
    last playing on-line either. I have forgotten most of the maps is one
    thing and get lost sometimes. I used to have each one memorized in
    both versions, not any more! I get lost and bored and tired now lol!


    -pw


    Well, you can always play on lower difficulties? I usually played on
    Normal when I was playing it.
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  • From PW@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Fri Jul 11 20:11:22 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 15:50:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 00:33 this Thursday (GMT): >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 14:52 this Saturday (GMT):
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 09:07:15 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>>never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually >>>>>get out of it.

    *--

    That is why I do not play on-line. That and I don't have the time to
    play a game beforehand to get good enough to compete on-line. I mean,
    some of these players - all they do is focus on that one game or two - >>>> it is their lives I guess. Not fun! :-)

    I used to just play Unreal Tournament 2004 (still mess with it now and >>>> then), Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 on-line so that tells you a bit about me
    and on-line games lol! There was cheating but probably not like there >>>> is now. Society has gone down the sewer I guess :-)

    -pw


    L4D online is still pretty popular from what I've seen (the main co-op >>>and versus modes, the mutation sidegames are impossible to get a lobby >>>for). Valve magic and all.

    *--

    I used to play it sometimes until 2AM, waiting for the German and
    other players ahead of my time zone to start playing and on expert
    mode. Actually won a level or two on expert with help from players
    probably better than I was. Now, I don't remember how I got that good
    lol!!! I play LFD 2 offline once in a while and can't believe how
    hard and long the games can be!! So much work! now!!! I could never
    last playing on-line either. I have forgotten most of the maps is one
    thing and get lost sometimes. I used to have each one memorized in
    both versions, not any more! I get lost and bored and tired now lol!


    -pw


    Well, you can always play on lower difficulties? I usually played on
    Normal when I was playing it.
    *--

    I do when I play #2 by myself single player, on normal and it wears me
    out lol!

    Thanks,

    -pw

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.co on Mon Jul 14 19:20:04 2025
    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 02:11 this Saturday (GMT):
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 15:50:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07
    <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 00:33 this Thursday (GMT): >>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 18:20:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 >>><candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

    PW <iamnotusingonewithAgent@notinuse.com> wrote at 14:52 this Saturday (GMT):
    On Sat, 28 Jun 2025 09:07:15 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2025 19:08, PW wrote:
    Why God mode for that? I would think that playing a game on easy or >>>>>>>>> story mode would be better for just exploring.

    When I say exploring I mean doing things like just walking through walls
    in FPS
    *--

    Oh - a cheat mode. That stuff is still going on? ?

    I did a bit of googlefoo and the answer seems to be yes. Personally I >>>>>>never quite understood why people would use them as what do you actually >>>>>>get out of it.

    *--

    That is why I do not play on-line. That and I don't have the time to >>>>> play a game beforehand to get good enough to compete on-line. I mean, >>>>> some of these players - all they do is focus on that one game or two - >>>>> it is their lives I guess. Not fun! :-)

    I used to just play Unreal Tournament 2004 (still mess with it now and >>>>> then), Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 on-line so that tells you a bit about me
    and on-line games lol! There was cheating but probably not like there >>>>> is now. Society has gone down the sewer I guess :-)

    -pw


    L4D online is still pretty popular from what I've seen (the main co-op >>>>and versus modes, the mutation sidegames are impossible to get a lobby >>>>for). Valve magic and all.

    *--

    I used to play it sometimes until 2AM, waiting for the German and
    other players ahead of my time zone to start playing and on expert
    mode. Actually won a level or two on expert with help from players
    probably better than I was. Now, I don't remember how I got that good
    lol!!! I play LFD 2 offline once in a while and can't believe how
    hard and long the games can be!! So much work! now!!! I could never
    last playing on-line either. I have forgotten most of the maps is one
    thing and get lost sometimes. I used to have each one memorized in
    both versions, not any more! I get lost and bored and tired now lol!


    -pw


    Well, you can always play on lower difficulties? I usually played on
    Normal when I was playing it.
    *--

    I do when I play #2 by myself single player, on normal and it wears me
    out lol!

    Thanks,

    -pw


    Fair, I love L4D but it's not the same with bots :(
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