• What did you play last month (August 2025)? :P

    From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Sun Aug 31 04:22:40 2025
    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ!

    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do
    we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)
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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Aug 30 23:42:14 2025
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ!

    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do
    we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I refuse to answer to anyone but master. Nice try, imposter.

    --
    Zag

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 31 15:45:27 2025
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them
    onboard.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Xocyll
    --
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    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Sun Aug 31 15:54:45 2025
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 15:45:27 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Xocyll wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the >entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September >>>1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them >onboard.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Oh Christ. As if Australia wasn't dangerous enough as it is!

    --
    Zag

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    and to utter freely according to conscience, above
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Sun Aug 31 23:11:22 2025
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ!

    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do
    we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I refuse to answer to anyone but master. Nice try, imposter.

    Bah. I need to overthrow him.
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Sun Aug 31 15:21:24 2025
    On 8/31/2025 12:45 PM, Xocyll wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them onboard.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Kangantaroos.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Xocyll on Sun Aug 31 23:12:48 2025
    Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September >>1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them onboard.

    I resumed flying last year after 31 yrs. :P


    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Where can I find this doctor?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Zaghadka on Sun Aug 31 23:13:19 2025
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 15:45:27 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Xocyll wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the >entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September >>>1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them >onboard.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Oh Christ. As if Australia wasn't dangerous enough as it is!

    USA is worse now. :(
    --
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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Aug 31 18:45:00 2025
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 23:13:19 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 15:45:27 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
    Xocyll wrote:

    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them
    onboard.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Oh Christ. As if Australia wasn't dangerous enough as it is!

    USA is worse now. :(

    Yeah. But not due to abortions of evolution (that aren't human)!

    --
    Zag

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to vallor on Mon Sep 1 00:49:13 2025
    On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 00:46:03 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 23:12:48 -0000 (UTC), Ant wrote:

    Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading
    the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the
    signs say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it
    September 1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them
    onboard.

    I resumed flying last year after 31 yrs. :P


    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Where can I find this doctor?

    On his island, of course.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/159

    And if you are from my generation...

    Oingo Boing song is relevant:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10tcb1RfOE4

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Sep 1 00:46:03 2025
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 23:12:48 -0000 (UTC), Ant wrote:

    Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it
    September 1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them
    onboard.

    I resumed flying last year after 31 yrs. :P


    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Where can I find this doctor?

    On his island, of course.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/159

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  • From PW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 31 21:02:40 2025
    On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 23:42:14 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ!

    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do
    we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I refuse to answer to anyone but master. Nice try, imposter.

    *--

    Me too!!!! :-)

    -pw

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 1 05:53:39 2025
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On 8/31/2025 12:45 PM, Xocyll wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September >>>> 1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them
    onboard.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Kangantaroos.

    That name implies a little bit of ant in a lot of kangaroo, when it
    could be the other way around or more like 50:50. The names I used
    reflect a blend of two, not just a bit of one added to the other.

    Oh and a large number of people would just assume you misspelled
    kangaroo and didn't have auto-correct on.

    Oh yeah, and I forgot Wallabies which would end up being Wallabants
    (because Antabys would be pronounced Ant-a-Bees and be confusing as to
    what was in it.)

    Xocyll
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 2 02:22:01 2025
    ...
    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Where can I find this doctor?

    On his island, of course.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/159

    Oh, like Far Cry 1 game. :P
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Sep 2 22:00:05 2025
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:11 this Sunday (GMT):
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ!

    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do
    we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I refuse to answer to anyone but master. Nice try, imposter.

    Bah. I need to overthrow him.


    But why? :(
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 2 19:08:48 2025
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
    looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The
    Augury is good, the signs say:

    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:12 this Sunday (GMT):
    Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the
    entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
    wrote:

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September >>> >>1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I my gosh, its worse than we thought. He's not just a six legged
    insect, he's an AUSTRALIAN six legged insect. Have you seen the size
    of a bulldog ant? And now he's trying to expand his territory.

    Truly the end-times are upon us.;

    Ants don't swim though, and I think the airlines have rules about them
    onboard.

    im pretty sure some ants can if they like link together

    Not over an ocean crossing from Aus.

    I resumed flying last year after 31 yrs. :P

    some ants have wings :)

    Again, Australia to North America is a 24 hr trip in a jet, a flying ant
    would take weeks, if it had the infinite stamina to fly and stay awake
    that long.

    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Where can I find this doctor?

    That is terrifying.

    Indeed.

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Wed Sep 3 00:27:31 2025
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    ...
    I resumed flying last year after 31 yrs. :P

    some ants have wings :)

    Only virgin queens and male alates. Queens remove their wings after they
    mate. Males die after they mate with such short lives. That's why I am
    still alive as an old virgin male. I even removed my wings. :P


    Now you get a Dr Moreau type experimenting and the next thing you know
    we have Kangarants (Antaroos?) bouncing around all over the place.

    Where can I find this doctor?

    That is terrifying.

    Nah.
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to candycanearter07@candycanearter07.n on Wed Sep 3 00:24:55 2025
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:11 this Sunday (GMT):
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ!

    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do >> >> > we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September
    1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I refuse to answer to anyone but master. Nice try, imposter.

    Bah. I need to overthrow him.

    But why? :(

    Because... :P
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Sep 2 17:49:11 2025
    On 9/2/2025 5:24 PM, Ant wrote:
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote at 23:11 this Sunday (GMT):
    Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 04:22:40 -0000 (UTC), in
    comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action, Ant wrote:

    Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:

    We need to resume this again!

    I nominate Ant to write up the framework for the new csipga FAQ! >>>>>>>
    Although honestly, given the lack of traffic in this newsgroup... do >>>>>>> we even HAVE any _frequently_ asked questions?

    What did you play last month :P

    Am I too early to start this question for August 2025? Is it September >>>>> 1st, 2025 anywhere yet? ;)

    I refuse to answer to anyone but master. Nice try, imposter.

    Bah. I need to overthrow him.

    But why? :(

    Because... :P

    Because he's got nothing better to do.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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