• Re: Because It's Beige

    From Ant@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Mon Jul 24 19:58:08 2023
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    ...
    Okay, now I am disappointed. /NOBODY/ has made a custom PC case out of
    the He-Man castle? It seems purpose built to be glued to the outside
    of a PC chassis!

    People of the Internet, you have failed me.

    (No, brain, we are NOT searching EBay for a He Man castle playset
    tonight. No, I say. NO!)

    "Too late."

    I used to have that castle as a callow during the rad 80s. I loved He-Man! ;) --
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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Mon Jul 24 13:43:18 2023
    On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:38:51 AM UTC-7, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:02:20 -0700 (PDT), Justisaur
    <just...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:02:35?PM UTC-7, Ant wrote:
    Mike S. <Mik...@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 09:01:04 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
    <spallsh...@gmail.com> wrote:


    It could be worse, though. I could have one of those gimmick PC
    chassis which are designed to look like something (e.g., "a PC that
    looks like He-Man's castle", or an aquarium, or something). THERE I
    definitely draw the line.

    Aquarium PCs are definitely a thing. I don't know about He-Man, but
    Hot Wheels PCs were also definitely a thing.
    https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/05/22/1236213/ant-farm-pc :P

    Unfortunately the page is dead. It shows up in archive, but pictures aren't >archived. You can see one thumbnail from PC mag saved somewhere in
    google from PC mag Australia on a search, but that pic & page don't exist >anymore either. >https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1HLDY_enUS717US717&sxsrf=AB5stBhfL5Pth3J5tbe0mMo8jYKBcPDAAA:1690214251151&q=ant+farm+PC+case+mod&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipp6Lg2qeAAxVMHTQIHVqYAVoQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1
    Okay, now I am disappointed. /NOBODY/ has made a custom PC case out of
    the He-Man castle? It seems purpose built to be glued to the outside
    of a PC chassis!

    (bad dubbing) "My Google-fu is stronger than yours!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO2i0Ext2zc

    - Justisaur

    By the power of Greyskull!
    (I was a bit old for He-Man when it was popular to be a fan,
    but know a bit of it of course.)

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Justisaur on Mon Jul 24 22:02:15 2023
    Justisaur <justisaur@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    Okay, now I am disappointed. /NOBODY/ has made a custom PC case out of
    the He-Man castle? It seems purpose built to be glued to the outside
    of a PC chassis!

    (bad dubbing) "My Google-fu is stronger than yours!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO2i0Ext2zc

    - Justisaur

    By the power of Greyskull!
    (I was a bit old for He-Man when it was popular to be a fan,
    but know a bit of it of course.)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_tech/comments/advyl9/castle_greyskull_gaming_pc/ --
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Jul 24 22:01:26 2023
    Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    ...
    Okay, now I am disappointed. /NOBODY/ has made a custom PC case out of the He-Man castle? It seems purpose built to be glued to the outside
    of a PC chassis!

    People of the Internet, you have failed me.

    (No, brain, we are NOT searching EBay for a He Man castle playset tonight. No, I say. NO!)

    "Too late."

    I used to have that castle as a callow during the rad 80s. I loved He-Man! ;)

    I had to ask: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_tech/comments/advyl9/castle_greyskull_gaming_pc/ :)
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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Jul 24 19:07:59 2023
    On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:01:26 +0000, ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    Okay, now I am disappointed. /NOBODY/ has made a custom PC case out of >> > > the He-Man castle? It seems purpose built to be glued to the outside
    of a PC chassis!
    People of the Internet, you have failed me.

    I used to have that castle as a callow during the rad 80s. I loved He-Man! ;)
    I had to ask: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_tech/comments/advyl9/castle_greyskull_gaming_pc/ :)



    People of the Internet, you have been redeemed.
    But a very specific Searcher Of The Internet must now hang their head
    in shame!

    (obediently hangs head)

    See? This is what I want. A case made out of a He-Man castle. How cool
    is that!

    I mean, I don't want it. I Definitely do not want it.

    And I definitely am not eyeing a He-Man castle set for $60USD on Ebay.
    I am not pulling out the credit card now. It's not happening brain,
    stop trying to make it happen! Let go of my hands! We have rent to
    pay!

    (Brains: what can you do, eh? You can't live with 'em, and are
    drooling on the floor without 'em)

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Jul 25 02:05:49 2023
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    ...
    I had to ask: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_tech/comments/advyl9/castle_greyskull_gaming_pc/ :)

    People of the Internet, you have been redeemed.
    But a very specific Searcher Of The Internet must now hang their head
    in shame!

    (obediently hangs head)

    See? This is what I want. A case made out of a He-Man castle. How cool
    is that!

    I mean, I don't want it. I Definitely do not want it.

    And I definitely am not eyeing a He-Man castle set for $60USD on Ebay.
    I am not pulling out the credit card now. It's not happening brain,
    stop trying to make it happen! Let go of my hands! We have rent to
    pay!

    (Brains: what can you do, eh? You can't live with 'em, and are
    drooling on the floor without 'em)

    I need a new brain. Mine is broken or even missing. :(

    Speaking of He-Man, did anyone play that Atari 2600 version? I remember
    wanting to buy it back then. It was uhh OK.
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Tue Jul 25 11:10:37 2023
    On 22/07/2023 16:05, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:11:20 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 21/07/2023 13:39, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:18:17 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    It's weird really how fashion enters something like what a PC looks
    like. It felt like everything was beige and then all of a sudden
    everything was black. Saying that my PC case of over twenty years is a >>>> deep mauve colour.

    not forget the awful iMac days, when every PC maker seemed to be
    trying to emulate Apple and it's awful transparent Bondi blue design.
    Black was such a relief after that era...

    Could be worse, imagine if the fashion was for transparent sides and
    lots of LED's!


    <looks at current PC>

    That's just mean, man. ;-)



    (the /really/ sad thing is, I now own THREE PCs with transparent side
    panels. Of course, one of them I got simply to satirize the whole
    idea. Who knew that just a couple years later I'd actually /pay/ for
    the privilege?)


    I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
    but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
    means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

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  • From Mike S.@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Jul 25 08:54:18 2023
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:10:37 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
    but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
    means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

    I want my PC to look nice. It sits right next to me on the floor and I
    do not want an ugly eyesore in my room. Of course, what I think is
    nice and what you think is boring and what someone else thinks is too
    much bling is going to differ.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Mike S. on Wed Jul 26 10:20:24 2023
    On 25/07/2023 13:54, Mike S. wrote:
    On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:10:37 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
    but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
    means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

    I want my PC to look nice. It sits right next to me on the floor and I
    do not want an ugly eyesore in my room. Of course, what I think is
    nice and what you think is boring and what someone else thinks is too
    much bling is going to differ.

    I understand wanting it to look a bit more styled if it's in a living
    space and I even understand PC builders who want to showcase their work.
    It's when I see main stream PC's going down the same route of full on
    bling I find hard to understand.

    And just to reiterate, I don't have any problems if that's what people
    want but instead unlike the vast majority of things which I wouldn't do
    myself but understand why people like them this is in the category of
    leaving me scratching my head.

    Horses for courses and all that.

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  • From Werner P.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 18:35:08 2023
    Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    The only thing
    missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up somewhere. 😉
    Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter. Benefit... well SSD!
    costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
    probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
    drive!

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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to Mike_S@nowhere.com on Wed Jul 26 17:39:56 2023
    Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> wrote:
    I want my PC to look nice. It sits right next to me on the floor and I
    do not want an ugly eyesore in my room. Of course, what I think is
    nice and what you think is boring and what someone else thinks is too
    much bling is going to differ.

    I don't really care too much about what my PC looks like. When selecting
    a case and components for my new PC I didn't want any LED stuff because
    I don't want my case to be a distraction, and I didn't want glass panel
    because I didn't want have to worry about it breaking. I was willing to
    pay extra to avoid these things, but as it happened that wasn't necessary. Other factors though did drive up the cost of my case, like wanting a
    5.25" drive bay in a case with modern features.

    I didn't really care much about the colour, and while I might have balked
    at some sort of "radical" "gamer" case design, there's plenty of plain
    boring case designs out there. The case I ended up with is basically
    a solid black monolith.

    That said, I've never really liked beige cases even when they were norm.
    There was no universal standard beige colour. So the beige front bezels
    of floppy and opticals drives never matched the beige of the plastic
    front panels they slotted into. Even the the painted metal side panels
    of cases where a slightly different beige than the plastic front panels.
    Over time these colour differences only became more apparent as the
    plastics yellowed.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to Werner P. on Wed Jul 26 15:45:19 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    The only thing
    missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
    somewhere. ?
    Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter. >Benefit... well SSD!
    costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
    probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
    drive!

    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    Still, when it comes to retro-PCs I'm not entirely sanguine about the
    idea of using SSDs. For one thing, the interface limits a lot of the
    speed benefits; old PCs counted disk speeds in megabytes/second, not
    gigabytes, and superfast SSDs aren't really going to give you that
    much of a boost. Using translation interfaces (SATA-to-PATA) only
    slows things down even more. There can be compatibility issues too,
    not only with the adapters, but with too-fast drives (yes, some
    applications balked at getting data faster than was logically possible
    when they were programmed). Plus, the lack of TRIM commands on older
    operating systems means they'll kill SSDs faster than if they were
    used on modern hardware (built-in garbage collection routines help,
    but TRIM helps even more).

    Then again, I suppose it depends what you mean by 'retro'. If an old
    PC for you is something from 2015, then an SSD can revitalize it. But
    the stuff I'm working on tends to be a bit older than that.

    Anyway, I have a good number of spinning-rust drives just waiting to
    be put to use in older machines anyway. If I am going to buy SSDs, I'd
    rather use them on newer computers. It's not really a retro-PC if you
    can't hear the harddrive clicking anyway. ;-)

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jul 27 08:45:17 2023
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    The only thing
    missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
    somewhere. ?
    Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter. >Benefit... well SSD!
    costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
    probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
    drive!

    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P


    Still, when it comes to retro-PCs I'm not entirely sanguine about the
    idea of using SSDs. For one thing, the interface limits a lot of the
    speed benefits; old PCs counted disk speeds in megabytes/second, not gigabytes, and superfast SSDs aren't really going to give you that
    much of a boost. Using translation interfaces (SATA-to-PATA) only
    slows things down even more. There can be compatibility issues too,
    not only with the adapters, but with too-fast drives (yes, some
    applications balked at getting data faster than was logically possible
    when they were programmed). Plus, the lack of TRIM commands on older operating systems means they'll kill SSDs faster than if they were
    used on modern hardware (built-in garbage collection routines help,
    but TRIM helps even more).

    Then again, I suppose it depends what you mean by 'retro'. If an old
    PC for you is something from 2015, then an SSD can revitalize it. But
    the stuff I'm working on tends to be a bit older than that.

    Anyway, I have a good number of spinning-rust drives just waiting to
    be put to use in older machines anyway. If I am going to buy SSDs, I'd
    rather use them on newer computers. It's not really a retro-PC if you
    can't hear the harddrive clicking anyway. ;-)

    As long as of it is not the clicks of death. :-P
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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Thu Jul 27 15:03:44 2023
    On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
    external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a package!

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ant on Thu Jul 27 06:42:02 2023
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    The only thing
    missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up
    somewhere. ?
    Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter. >>> Benefit... well SSD!
    costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
    probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
    drive!

    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
    10TB was $297.97.


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Jul 27 13:16:42 2023
    On 7/27/2023 7:03 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
    external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a package!

    At least there was something in the package! A while back I went into
    the local Staples for a cable, pulled the package off the shelf myself
    and paid for it. When I got home and opened it the was no cable inside!
    Went back and did the "Uh, what happened here?" and they replaced it, checking this time that there was a cable in the package.

    --
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  • From Metal Guru@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Thu Jul 27 17:28:10 2023
    On 7/27/2023 9:42 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:

    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70.  A
    10TB was $297.97.

    You're sure it's a Solid State drive? Sounds too good to be true, never
    seen them anywhere near those prices before.

    --
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Metal Guru on Thu Jul 27 17:21:24 2023
    On 7/27/2023 2:28 PM, Metal Guru wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 9:42 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:

    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P >>>
    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70.  A
    10TB was $297.97.

    You're sure it's a Solid State drive? Sounds too good to be true, never
    seen them anywhere near those prices before.

    Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
    a hard drive. Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

    --
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  • From Ross Ridge@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Fri Jul 28 05:36:20 2023
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
    a hard drive. Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

    A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
    are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.

    Historically there have been much smaller hard drives, like IBM's 42.8mm
    x 5mm x 36.4mm Microdrives which could fit inside a CF card. They never
    got anywhere near 5TB in size though.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Fri Jul 28 11:26:57 2023
    On 27/07/2023 21:16, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 7:03 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
    external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a
    package!

    At least there was something in the package!  A while back I went into
    the local Staples for a cable, pulled the package off the shelf myself
    and paid for it.  When I got home and opened it the was no cable inside!
     Went back and did the "Uh, what happened here?" and they replaced it, checking this time that there was a cable in the package.


    At least you can see how that could be a honest mistake. Selling what is effectively a 64GB SD card as a 4/8/16TB SSD, that's just a scam.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Jul 28 07:18:57 2023
    On 7/28/2023 3:26 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 27/07/2023 21:16, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 7:03 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 20:45, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any >>>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here 😉 but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    Well as long as you didn't end up buying those too cheap to be true
    external SSD's that turned out to be a micro SD card glued into a
    package!

    At least there was something in the package!  A while back I went into
    the local Staples for a cable, pulled the package off the shelf myself
    and paid for it.  When I got home and opened it the was no cable
    inside!   Went back and did the "Uh, what happened here?" and they
    replaced it, checking this time that there was a cable in the package.


    At least you can see how that could be a honest mistake. Selling what is effectively a 64GB SD card as a 4/8/16TB SSD, that's just a scam.

    We figured that someone had opened the packed inside the store, taken
    the cable and put the re-closed (but not re-sealed) package back.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 28 13:20:07 2023
    JAB <noway@nochance.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

    On 22/07/2023 16:05, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 10:11:20 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    On 21/07/2023 13:39, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 10:18:17 +0100, JAB <noway@nochance.com> wrote:

    It's weird really how fashion enters something like what a PC looks
    like. It felt like everything was beige and then all of a sudden
    everything was black. Saying that my PC case of over twenty years is a >>>>> deep mauve colour.

    not forget the awful iMac days, when every PC maker seemed to be
    trying to emulate Apple and it's awful transparent Bondi blue design.
    Black was such a relief after that era...

    Could be worse, imagine if the fashion was for transparent sides and
    lots of LED's!


    <looks at current PC>

    That's just mean, man. ;-)



    (the /really/ sad thing is, I now own THREE PCs with transparent side
    panels. Of course, one of them I got simply to satirize the whole
    idea. Who knew that just a couple years later I'd actually /pay/ for
    the privilege?)


    I understand why people want something more than just a boring beige box
    but the whole bling makeover, that I don't really understand. Not that
    means I'm against people doing it if they want to.

    Wasn't most of the impetus for this nonsense LAN parties?

    People took their PCs to some location LANned them up and played
    whatever games, so of course, just like the car buffoons in Fast and
    Furious, they had to bling up their cases with lights and stickers and
    windows and all the rest of the stuff that has literally nothing to do
    with performance or gaming ability.

    Xocyll
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Fri Jul 28 21:52:44 2023
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    The only thing
    missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up >>>> somewhere. ?
    Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter. >>> Benefit... well SSD!
    costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
    probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
    drive!

    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any
    of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
    10TB was $297.97.

    Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jul 28 18:31:48 2023
    On 7/28/2023 2:52 PM, Ant wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:35:08 +0200, "Werner P." <werpu@gmx.at> wrote:

    Am 18.07.23 um 03:56 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
    The only thing
    missing was a hard-drive, and I'm sure I can scrounge one of those up >>>>>> somewhere. ?
    Well you probably can put a modern ssd into it with an pata2sata adapter. >>>>> Benefit... well SSD!
    costs of a 240 Gig ssd, bought one for 14 bucks today!
    probably cheaper than trying to hunt down a still working pata
    drive!

    It's amazing how inexpensive SSDs have become. I bought a three-pack
    of 250GB PNY SSDs for $30USD the other day. I didn't need them for any >>>> of my main machines (250GB is a rounding error when it comes to
    disk-usage here ;-) but with all of my older PCs, I thought, "Why
    not?"

    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P >>>
    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
    10TB was $297.97.

    Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?

    Seagate. No idea about internals, didn't need an internal.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Ross Ridge on Sat Jul 29 10:48:47 2023
    On 28/07/2023 06:36, Ross Ridge wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
    a hard drive. Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

    A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
    are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.


    They are surprisingly small when you're used to what you get for a
    desktop PC. My guess is at that price it's a HDD and the 5TB size is
    also strange as SSD's are memory chips so 1/2/4/8 etc.

    There is of course the option it was just incorrectly priced.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Sat Jul 29 08:31:18 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:31:48 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 7/28/2023 2:52 PM, Ant wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:


    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A
    10TB was $297.97.

    Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?

    Seagate. No idea about internals, didn't need an internal.

    Seagate is meanwhile pushing 50TB mechanical drives and the tech it
    uses - heat-assisted magnetic recording - promises increased ata
    densities beyond that. Bytes-per-dollar, I think spinning rust will
    maintain the lead for a while. SSDs are great for OS and apps, but for
    data - where you rarely need that sort of speed - mechanical still
    remains a viable choice.

    I dread the idea of restoring a 50TB drive, though. Moving that much
    data even onto an SSD drive would take forever.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Sat Jul 29 09:55:59 2023
    On 7/29/2023 5:31 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:31:48 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 7/28/2023 2:52 PM, Ant wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 1:45 AM, Ant wrote:


    But how much is a 5 TB SSD? Still expensive compared to HDDs' prices. :P

    Bought an external 5TB SSD from Staples two months ago for $114.70. A >>>> 10TB was $297.97.

    Wow. Were those good brands? What about internal?

    Seagate. No idea about internals, didn't need an internal.

    Seagate is meanwhile pushing 50TB mechanical drives and the tech it
    uses - heat-assisted magnetic recording - promises increased ata
    densities beyond that. Bytes-per-dollar, I think spinning rust will
    maintain the lead for a while. SSDs are great for OS and apps, but for
    data - where you rarely need that sort of speed - mechanical still
    remains a viable choice.

    I dread the idea of restoring a 50TB drive, though. Moving that much
    data even onto an SSD drive would take forever.

    Is a mechanical drive of that size going to require a separate power
    cord? Or can it get enough power thru the USB connection?

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Metal Guru@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Jul 29 15:37:43 2023
    On 7/29/2023 5:48 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 28/07/2023 06:36, Ross Ridge wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in
    a hard drive.  Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

    A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
    are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.

    They are surprisingly small when you're used to what you get for a
    desktop PC. My guess is at that price it's a HDD and the 5TB size is
    also strange as SSD's are memory chips so 1/2/4/8 etc.

    There is of course the option it was just incorrectly priced.

    Yes, the one he mentioned is a HDD for sure - 5TB SSD's don't exist and
    if they did the price would be astronomical.

    I have a USB WD Black 5TB HDD that I bought on Black Friday last year
    for about $100 including taxes and shipping (Best Buy), but I've seen
    them for as little as $89 recently.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Metal Guru on Sat Jul 29 22:44:44 2023
    Metal Guru <MetalGuru@isityou.com> wrote:
    ...
    I have a USB WD Black 5TB HDD that I bought on Black Friday last year
    for about $100 including taxes and shipping (Best Buy), but I've seen
    them for as little as $89 recently.

    Costco has 5 TB USB3 HDD for $100: https://www.costco.com/seagate-one-touch-5tb-portable-hard-drive-with-rescue-data-recovery-services.product.100761181.html
    So far, it works for me. I was told that these external USB HDDs don't
    last long like my former Seagate 4 TB USB HDD from 2020 that died a few
    months ago. :(
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jul 29 19:07:10 2023
    On 7/29/2023 3:44 PM, Ant wrote:
    Metal Guru <MetalGuru@isityou.com> wrote:
    ...
    I have a USB WD Black 5TB HDD that I bought on Black Friday last year
    for about $100 including taxes and shipping (Best Buy), but I've seen
    them for as little as $89 recently.

    Costco has 5 TB USB3 HDD for $100: https://www.costco.com/seagate-one-touch-5tb-portable-hard-drive-with-rescue-data-recovery-services.product.100761181.html
    So far, it works for me. I was told that these external USB HDDs don't
    last long like my former Seagate 4 TB USB HDD from 2020 that died a few months ago. :(

    I've got some external HDs I use for storage basically that have been in regular use adding and removing files for years without any problem.
    The only HD failure I can remember was about 10 years ago or so when I
    dropped one. :/

    One of my current projects is actually consolidating a lot of stuff on
    various external drives I've collected and removing duplicates.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Metal Guru on Sun Jul 30 11:31:03 2023
    On 29/07/2023 20:37, Metal Guru wrote:
    On 7/29/2023 5:48 AM, JAB wrote:
    On 28/07/2023 06:36, Ross Ridge wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler  <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    Well, if its spinning rust they are the tiniest discs I've ever seen in >>>> a hard drive.  Its 4.5" x 3" x 0.75" and holds 5 terabyte.

    A 2.5" laptop drive would easily fit inside a case like that and there
    are 5TB 2.5" hard drives.

    They are surprisingly small when you're used to what you get for a
    desktop PC. My guess is at that price it's a HDD and the 5TB size is
    also strange as SSD's are memory chips so 1/2/4/8 etc.

    There is of course the option it was just incorrectly priced.

    Yes, the one he mentioned is a HDD for sure - 5TB SSD's don't exist and
    if they did the price would be astronomical.

    I have a USB WD Black 5TB HDD that I bought on Black Friday last year
    for about $100 including taxes and shipping (Best Buy), but I've seen
    them for as little as $89 recently.


    One thing I did realise is that I'm completely out of touch with how
    much HDD's cost now!

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