From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who could block
these?
I have a filter set for Message-ID: *googlegroups.com* which zaps all of
it, although it does zap the legit posters from Google Groups too
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of
junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who
could block these?
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who could block
these?
Adrian
On 18/10/2023 12:30, Adrian Crafer wrote:
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of
junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who
could block these?
Adrian
I get the odd few. Two yesterday for example but nothing before that
for a good while.
In article <abbf3ff55a.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>,
Adrian Crafer <acrafer@spam/orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of
junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who
could block these?
Sure are a nuisence, I have now set a filter in !Pluto to dump anything containing #### in the subject and will se what happens.
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who could block
these?
On 18 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Adrian Crafer wrote:
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of junk/scamIt's Usenet, not e-mail (your news client is downloading a distributed
emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who could block
these?
public newsfeed rather than messages being sent out individually by
e-mail to everyone on a list - it's more like an RSS feed), and there is
no moderator.
Some Usenet groups, like comp.sys.acorn.announce, are moderated, in that
any message you attempt to submit via the news protocol gets diverted to
a human moderator instead and has to be manually vetted *before* it gets
into the news spool, but this one isn't. You can get Messenger to
filter the messages it debatches for you, though, or NewsHound to kill articles based on keywords in the title or the number of groups they are cross-posted to....
That said, I've only seen a couple of spam messages in the group and
they are both from today. Different news providers are clearly blocking/filtering out different messages.
On 18 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Adrian Crafer wrote:
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who could block these?
It's Usenet, not e-mail (your news client is downloading a distributed
public newsfeed rather than messages being sent out individually by
e-mail to everyone on a list - it's more like an RSS feed), and there is
no moderator.
Some Usenet groups, like comp.sys.acorn.announce, are moderated, in that
any message you attempt to submit via the news protocol gets diverted to
a human moderator instead and has to be manually vetted *before* it gets
into the news spool, but this one isn't. You can get Messenger to
filter the messages it debatches for you, though, or NewsHound to kill articles based on keywords in the title or the number of groups they are cross-posted to....
That said, I've only seen a couple of spam messages in the group and
they are both from today. Different news providers are clearly blocking/filtering out different messages.
- but what's their purpose? Co.uk domains, which must have been purchased, are easily filtered out; but the rest have me perplexed, and if I'm not
being drawn in, what's their point other than being annoying?
On 18/10/2023 12:30, Adrian Crafer wrote:
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of junk/scam >> emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type who could blockI get the odd few. Two yesterday for example but nothing before that for
these?
Adrian
a good while.
In message <765798f55a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
In NewsHound I have added an additional 'Kill line' to the 'GlobalRule'
file.
* * =?UTF-* * * * * * none
The dotted lines are TAB key presses, hope they show up in this message.
The characters are at the start of 'From' as shown in the headers I
have looked at. Seems to be working so far.
On 19 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Keith Pascall wrote:
In message <765798f55a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
In NewsHound I have added an additional 'Kill line' to the 'GlobalRule' file.
* * =?UTF-* * * * * * none
The dotted lines are TAB key presses, hope they show up in this
message.
The characters are at the start of 'From' as shown in the headers I
have looked at. Seems to be working so far.
Won't that kill *anything* using the UTF-8 character set?
On 19 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Keith Pascall wrote:
In message <765798f55a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
In NewsHound I have added an additional 'Kill line' to the 'GlobalRule' file.
* * =?UTF-* * * * * * none
The dotted lines are TAB key presses, hope they show up in this message.
The characters are at the start of 'From' as shown in the headers I
have looked at. Seems to be working so far.
Won't that kill *anything* using the UTF-8 character set?
In message <2dcff1f65a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
It does seem to be working most of the time making (had a few failures
today) what is left managable.
I have today found that the same characters are appearing in the
'Subject' line with a made up name in 'From' so I have added those
characters in the Subject section of an additional kill line. Will have
to wait to see if it works.
In article <cd1a47f75a%klp@klp.plus.net>, Keith Pascall <klp@klpascall.plus.com> wrote:
In message <2dcff1f65a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
<Snip>
It does seem to be working most of the time making (had a few failures
today) what is left managable.
I have today found that the same characters are appearing in the
'Subject' line with a made up name in 'From' so I have added those
characters in the Subject section of an additional kill line. Will have
to wait to see if it works.
Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the
same mails on the same un-moderated group?
Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the
same mails on the same un-moderated group?
Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
On 22/10/2023 14:27, Chris Newman wrote:
In article <cd1a47f75a%klp@klp.plus.net>, Keith Pascall <klp@klpascall.plus.com> wrote:
[snip]
Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the
same mails on the same un-moderated group?
Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
I use EternalSeptember and see very little spam.
You could well be right. I use Plusnet news which is Giganews and have
430 spam messages in my junk box since 20th Oct. All are spam and nothing >else, and no spam in the c.s.a.misc box.
Richard Darby.
On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:27:32 +0100 "Richard Darby (news)" <news@rjdarby.co.uk> wrote:
You could well be right. I use Plusnet news which is Giganews and
have 430 spam messages in my junk box since 20th Oct. All are spam
and nothing else, and no spam in the c.s.a.misc box.
Richard Darby.
I was about to ask if anyone was *not* using EternalSeptember! Were you reading my mind?
I was about to ask if anyone was *not* using EternalSeptember!
Were you reading my mind?
For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted author Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave Higton's improvements, can be circulated.
I added the following to Newshound's Global Rule file as belt and
braces:
* *UFA* * * * * * * none
* *=?UTF-8?* * * * * * * none
and have not seen any since.
In article <bce3f3f75a.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>,
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
Looking at the Example rule file it suggests to me (wrongly
obviously) that the lines have a specific requirement using tabs as
field separators. The first 3 tabs are double tabs and the remainder
are just single tabs, I've no idea why.
An example given shows the subject "money" being blocked.
*[tab][tab]*Money*[tab][tab]*[tab][tab]*[tab]*[tab] etc.
Yet info supplied by Brian and Keith don't to my eyes follow the
rules so what am I not understanding?
Keith suggested:
* * =?UTF-* * * * * * none Which I believe displays as:
*[tab][tab]*[tab]=?UTF.*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]
And similarly for Brian.
*[tab][tab]*=?UTF-8?*[tab]*[tab][tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]none
Both cases break the double tabs rule if it is a rule??
Understanding would be appreciated.
In article <bce3f3f75a.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>,
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:
I added the following to Newshound's Global Rule file as belt and
braces:
* *UFA* * * * * * * none
* *=?UTF-8?* * * * * * * none
and have not seen any since.
I wish I understood this.
Looking at the Example rule file it suggests to me (wrongly
obviously) that the lines have a specific requirement using tabs as
field separators. The first 3 tabs are double tabs and the remainder
are just single tabs, I've no idea why.
An example given shows the subject "money" being blocked.
*[tab][tab]*Money*[tab][tab]*[tab][tab]*[tab]*[tab] etc.
Yet info supplied by Brian and Keith don't to my eyes follow the
rules so what am I not understanding?
Keith suggested:
* * =?UTF-* * * * * * none Which I believe displays as:
*[tab][tab]*[tab]=?UTF.*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]
And similarly for Brian.
*[tab][tab]*=?UTF-8?*[tab]*[tab][tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]none
Both cases break the double tabs rule if it is a rule??
Understanding would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Bob.
If you look at your working Global Rule file with an editor that
shows tabs you will see there are two tabs between the first field
and the second, and single tabs after that.
Hope that Helps
It is tricky to get it set up, if I have typed it right the kill
lines should be:-
*[tab][tab]*[tab]=?UTF-*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]none *[tab][tab]=?UTF-*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]*[tab]none
One line works with header 'From' the other with 'Subject'.
The asterisk after the characters is to allow more characters to be
in the actual line.
So far it works for me (using Plusnet provider).
I'm pleased for you but I just don't understand why, it does not
match the model in the example file.
On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:
Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the
same mails on the same un-moderated group?
Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
Probably - I'm also on Eternal September, and I only ever saw the two
spam postings.
In every case in that file the first 3 tab separators are double
tabs, every example even in the explanation further up that document.
As for the Newshound's Global Rule file... What! is that all about?
I've just looked at it in StrongED and its' just a mess of stuff all over
the place. :-(
On 25 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Dave wrote:
[snip]
As for the Newshound's Global Rule file... What! is that all about?
I've just looked at it in StrongED and its' just a mess of stuff all
over the place. :-(
You probably need to make the StrongED window wider.
You should see tab-separated columns (use TrueTab, not 'Nearest' or 'Tabstops' display) headed
# group subject from bytes lines msg-id ref's x-posts amount
In article <f86e03f95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
On 25 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Dave wrote:
[snip]
As for the Newshound's Global Rule file... What! is that all about?
I've just looked at it in StrongED and its' just a mess of stuff all
over the place. :-(
You probably need to make the StrongED window wider.
The SE window is quite wide.
You should see tab-separated columns (use TrueTab, not 'Nearest' or 'Tabstops' display) headed
Doesn't improve anything here.
The only way I can make sense of it, is put the Global rule file in a spreadsheet (Eureka).
# group subject from bytes lines msg-id ref's x-posts amount
Mnnnn!
Yes, but in view of what's in the spam postings what do you put it in the Global rule file, and where?
The relevant section looks like this here (tabs changed to spaces)
In article <24b71bf95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
The relevant section looks like this here (tabs changed to spaces)
[Snippy]
Harriet,
Thank you for taking the time to explain in so much detail... Much appreciated. :-)
Dave
On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:
On 22 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:
Since that little flurry a few days ago, I haven't seen any more junk.
Why are some people getting more than others if we're all getting the same mails on the same un-moderated group?
Is my provider (EternalSeptember) filtering some out?
Probably - I'm also on Eternal September, and I only ever saw the two
spam postings.
But I've got another 22 today - clearly they altered something to evade filtering!
In message <5af9432b26dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
In article <24b71bf95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
The relevant section looks like this here (tabs changed to spaces)
[Snippy]
Harriet,
Thank you for taking the time to explain in so much detail... Much appreciated. :-)
Dave
I second that...
But did it work?
(Deleting stuff is always risky...)
I've watches the NewsHound Fetch window and seen it show
comp.sys.acorn.misc, and legit posts have been downloaded.
Recently, it has shown comp.sys.acorn.misc but nothing was downloaded, so
I'm guessing it's working okay as I've not seen any spam rubbish today
after setting up the GlobalRule file..
If you watch NewsHound very closely (and don't have too fast a
connection...) you can see 'Arts', 'Head' and 'Kills' displayed at
the bottom of the window for each group as it downloads.
In article <8b0296f95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
If you watch NewsHound very closely (and don't have too fast a connection...) you can see 'Arts', 'Head' and 'Kills' displayed at
the bottom of the window for each group as it downloads.
You can also see the Kills (& Articles & Headers) in Syslog output -
but I am not sure what SysLog level is required - may be 255.
On 26 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Martin wrote:
In article <8b0296f95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
If you watch NewsHound very closely (and don't have too fast a connection...) you can see 'Arts', 'Head' and 'Kills' displayed
at the bottom of the window for each group as it downloads.
You can also see the Kills (& Articles & Headers) in Syslog
output - but I am not sure what SysLog level is required - may be
255.
Yes, I'm not sure if I'm simply not getting any or if they're not
being logged.
25 Oct 19:59:51 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 4 articles, 10757
bytes (1792 cps) in 6 seconds.
(Mind you, I haven't seen any spam rubbish today either, and I
didn't bother setting up a kill rule for it...!)
In article <e0e79ef95a.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2023 as I do recall,
Martin wrote:
You can also see the Kills (& Articles & Headers) in Syslog
output - but I am not sure what SysLog level is required - may be
255.
Yes, I'm not sure if I'm simply not getting any or if they're not
being logged.
25 Oct 19:59:51 050 Newsfetch complete. Received 4 articles, 10757
bytes (1792 cps) in 6 seconds.
My worst day was:
25 Oct 08:59:59 125 stats - comp.sys.acorn.misc: bytes = 244373,
time = 2, xover = 0, headers = 0, articles = 2, kills = 364
On 2023-10-23, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted author Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave Higton's improvements, can be circulated.
Do you know if Dave is ever planning to make the source for his changes available to commit into the SourceForge repo?
At present, the last commits still appear to be the ones that I made a
decade ago. If Dave's changes are useful, it would be shame for them to be lost.
For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted author Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave Higton's improvements, can be circulated. See Aw software-discuss mail list thread
Can't post news.
Nobody is hosting it at the moment but I can send a copy, sans my
details, on request.
In message <slrnujderu.kos.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
On 2023-10-23, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
For those using NewsHound, version 1.54 (which works perfectly with EternalSeptember) has been sanctioned for use by all. I contacted
author Josephe Heenan and he is happy that this version, which has Dave Higton's improvements, can be circulated.
Do you know if Dave is ever planning to make the source for his changes available to commit into the SourceForge repo?
At present, the last commits still appear to be the ones that I made a decade ago. If Dave's changes are useful, it would be shame for them to
be lost.
I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.
I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question
is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it
is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I didn't check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.
I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems
not to be there.
I don't know where we go from here, but if you feel like putting the
sources into a repo, I'm happy to email them to you.
I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.
I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question
is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it
is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I
didn't check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.
I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems
not to be there.
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
I think they're useful, and so, apparently, do several other people.
I have no desire to keep my modifiactions to myself, so my first question is: is the Sourceforge repo the One True Repository for Newshound? If it is, then I'm happy for it to be updated. As to who does it: well, I
didn't check it out of a repo - the sources were emailed to me.
I just revived my Sourceforge account and looked for Newshound - it seems not to be there.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/riscosnet/
has had commits from the original author 3 years ago, so I suppose it must still be alive?
Adrian Crafer <acrafer@spam/orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
From the 12th onwards I seem to have received a large number of
junk/scam emails to this group. Is there a moderator of any type
who could block these?
It's coming from Google Groups and is affecting large numbers of
newsgroups. Google don't care, in fact they don't even know what
newsgroups are. This group is not moderated and so there is no way
to filter it at source. Your news provider could decide to do so,
that is up to them (ie probably they won't).
I have a filter set for
Message-ID: *googlegroups.com*
which zaps all of it, although it does zap the legit posters from
Google Groups too. I unblock specific From: addresses which helps
get a few of them back, but that's a manual job (and I only find out
about them when somebody quotes them enough to include their email
address, otherwise they are completely hidden)
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