• Re: Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Computer Show, 27th April

    From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 24 23:36:02 2024
    On 24 Mar, Wakefield 2024 wrote in message
    <ap.c6d44e5b46.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>:

    4.30pm, with an entrance fee of 35.

    I'm guessing UTF-8 shenanigans here... that's 5 UKP, of course.

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Mon Mar 25 09:35:46 2024
    In message <mpro.savljw0505yr208tk.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

    On 24 Mar, Wakefield 2024 wrote in message
    <ap.c6d44e5b46.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>:

    4.30pm, with an entrance fee of 35.

    I'm guessing UTF-8 shenanigans here... that's 5 UKP, of course.

    Grrrr UTF-8 strikes again, but surprised it put a 3 usually its a Black
    blob or a black blob with a ? in it.

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    Chris Hughes

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 25 21:35:13 2024
    On 24 Mar 2024 as I do recall,
    Wakefield 2024 wrote:

    With the event now just under five weeks away, Wakefield RISC OS Computer Club hope that all RISC OS users will have the Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Computer Show in their diaries for Saturday 27th April.
    [snip]

    We will also have the usual Charity Stall raising funds for Wakefield Hospice; thanks to your help we have raised in the region of 28,000 over
    the years.

    I still have a box of second-hand software/small hardware to donate to
    the charity stall, as mentioned re the South West Show; would anybody be
    able to take that up from London?


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  • From Andrew Conroy@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Tue Mar 26 00:00:03 2024
    In article <mpro.savljw0505yr208tk.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 24 Mar, Wakefield 2024 wrote in message
    <ap.c6d44e5b46.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>:

    4.30pm, with an entrance fee of 35.

    I'm guessing UTF-8 shenanigans here... that's 5 UKP, of course.

    The c.s.a.announce Charter does clearly say:
    "3. No top bit characters may be used (eg. pound sign)"

    I do normally spot these and edit the post accordingly (I've given up
    sending posts back and asking the originator to edit, because people
    don't listen or learn), but please don't assume I will do this for you
    every time. To ensure your posts are propagated across all news servers
    without changes, please make sure you post in accordance with the c.s.a.announce Charter: https://www.owlart.net/csaa/charter.html


    Andrew
    (Moderator, c.s.a.announce)

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to Andrew Conroy on Tue Mar 26 07:16:01 2024
    In article <5b476734aca.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk>,
    Andrew Conroy <a.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk> wrote:
    [Snippy]
    The c.s.a.announce Charter does clearly say:
    "3. No top bit characters may be used (eg. pound sign)"

    You cannot be serious!

    That's so archaic...

    Dave

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  • From Folderol@21:1/5 to Harriet Bazley on Tue Mar 26 12:49:48 2024
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:35:13 GMT
    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

    On 24 Mar 2024 as I do recall,
    Wakefield 2024 wrote:

    With the event now just under five weeks away, Wakefield RISC OS Computer
    Club hope that all RISC OS users will have the Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS
    Computer Show in their diaries for Saturday 27th April.
    [snip]

    We will also have the usual Charity Stall raising funds for Wakefield
    Hospice; thanks to your help we have raised in the region of 28,000 over
    the years.

    I still have a box of second-hand software/small hardware to donate to
    the charity stall, as mentioned re the South West Show; would anybody be
    able to take that up from London?

    Can't help here, but I *might* be going to the London one later in the year (I believe it's moved to North London. It rather depends on exactly where they are and where you are. It's something like 30 year since I last drove into London {scary}

    --
    Will J Godfrey {apparently now an 'elderly'}
    https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Andrew Conroy on Tue Mar 26 18:12:41 2024
    On 26 Mar, Andrew Conroy wrote in message
    <5b476734aca.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk>:

    In article <mpro.savljw0505yr208tk.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 24 Mar, Wakefield 2024 wrote in message
    <ap.c6d44e5b46.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>:

    4.30pm, with an entrance fee of 35.

    I'm guessing UTF-8 shenanigans here... that's 5 UKP, of course.

    The c.s.a.announce Charter does clearly say: "3. No top bit characters may
    be used (eg. pound sign)"

    Indeed. I didn't write this particular post, and clearly didn't check it carefully enough for stuff that wouldn't get through.

    I do normally spot these and edit the post accordingly (I've given up
    sending posts back and asking the originator to edit, because people don't listen or learn), but please don't assume I will do this for you every
    time.

    Um. With respect, I *don't* assume that you will correct posts for me. I can only think of a couple of issues which have occurred with posts that I've
    sent to csaa -- this one, and one where my news client appeared to have
    screwed up the Subject line in a somewhat 'special' way that I now very specifically work around when doing WROCC's announcements.

    My post here about UTF-8 was simply to highlight that the price in the announcement was incorrect, that it wasn't 35 GBP, and what had probably happened -- I'm well aware of the ASCII limitation. I also can't see any
    blame being apportioned anywhere.

    Although I'm told that I may be sending a replacement post to csaa shortly,
    in case anyone was scared off by the apparent 1750% increase in ticket
    prices this year...

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Dave on Tue Mar 26 18:14:43 2024
    On 26 Mar, Dave wrote in message
    <5b478f956ddave@triffid.co.uk>:

    In article <5b476734aca.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk>,
    Andrew Conroy <a.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk> wrote:
    [Snippy]
    The c.s.a.announce Charter does clearly say: "3. No top bit characters
    may be used (eg. pound sign)"

    You cannot be serious!

    That's so archaic...

    Given that at least one RISC OS news/mail client was still unable to
    sensibly handle endcoding details in its headers when I last looked[1], it's kind of essential to avoid anything in a message that might have multiple interpretations.

    1. So this may have improved recently.

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    Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to Folderol on Tue Mar 26 18:44:41 2024
    On 26 Mar 2024 as I do recall,
    Folderol wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:35:13 GMT
    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

    [snip]


    I still have a box of second-hand software/small hardware to donate to
    the charity stall, as mentioned re the South West Show; would anybody be >able to take that up from London?

    Can't help here, but I *might* be going to the London one later in the
    year (I believe it's moved to North London. It rather depends on
    exactly where they are and where you are. It's something like 30 year
    since I last drove into London {scary}

    I'm in South London (and never the twain shall meet!)

    I wasn't aware that the venue had moved, but apparently it's going to be
    in Harrow, which is closer but ironically probably takes more time to
    get to than the previous out-of-London venue from this quadrant of the
    city....

    https://www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk/venue.php


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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Folderol on Wed Mar 27 09:30:02 2024
    In article <20240326124948.329dd5e1@devuan>,
    Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:
    I still have a box of second-hand software/small hardware to donate to
    the charity stall, as mentioned re the South West Show; would anybody be >able to take that up from London?

    Can't help here, but I *might* be going to the London one later in the
    year (I believe it's moved to North London. It rather depends on exactly where they are and where you are. It's something like 30 year since I
    last drove into London {scary}

    Looking at later posts in this thread, it seems it is in Harrow, and that
    looks a lot better than having to drive to it's previous location in North london, the reason I don't go to the London show. I will consider it this
    year.

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    Stuart Winsor

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Wed Mar 27 10:20:20 2024
    On 26/03/2024 18:12, Steve Fryatt wrote:
    Although I'm told that I may be sending a replacement post to csaa shortly, in case anyone was scared off by the apparent 1750% increase in ticket
    prices this year...

    I thought you making it a Veblen good.

    ---druck

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  • From druck@21:1/5 to Stuart on Wed Mar 27 21:29:03 2024
    On 27/03/2024 09:30, Stuart wrote:
    Looking at later posts in this thread, it seems it is in Harrow, and that looks a lot better than having to drive to it's previous location in North london, the reason I don't go to the London show. I will consider it this year.

    It is still inside Khan's expanded ULEZ zone though. So while my 2009
    petrol car which does 18mpg is OK, the wife's 2014 diesel which does
    45mpg gets fleeced.

    Although at least it is on this side of London, if on a trip to the east
    such as the Excel centre, it's actually cheaper to take the Wife's car
    and pay the charge, rather than the amount of fuel mine would waste
    crawling around the M25.

    ---druck

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Stuart on Wed Mar 27 22:22:27 2024
    On 27 Mar, Stuart wrote in message
    <5b481ed87fSpambin@argonet.co.uk>:

    Looking at later posts in this thread, it seems it is in Harrow, and that looks a lot better than having to drive to it's previous location in North london, the reason I don't go to the London show.

    Feltham's in North London? I suppose it's north of the river, at least!

    Now, the new location is in North London, I'll grant you that... :-)

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to druck on Thu Mar 28 09:30:04 2024
    In article <uu232v$32mmq$1@dont-email.me>,
    druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
    Looking at later posts in this thread, it seems it is in Harrow, and
    that looks a lot better than having to drive to it's previous location
    in North london, the reason I don't go to the London show. I will
    consider it this year.

    It is still inside Khan's expanded ULEZ zone though. So while my 2009
    petrol car which does 18mpg is OK, the wife's 2014 diesel which does
    45mpg gets fleeced.

    I believe my 2016 Skoda Octavia estate, which averages 48-50mpg, is
    compliant but I haven't checked. From kenilworth, I will probably come
    down the M40 and wouldn't need to touch the M25.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Thu Mar 28 09:30:03 2024
    In article <mpro.sb125a00pjxm804qq.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 27 Mar, Stuart wrote in message
    <5b481ed87fSpambin@argonet.co.uk>:

    Looking at later posts in this thread, it seems it is in Harrow, and
    that looks a lot better than having to drive to it's previous location
    in North london, the reason I don't go to the London show.

    Feltham's in North London? I suppose it's north of the river, at least!

    Now, the new location is in North London, I'll grant you that... :-)

    Ok, I've just looked at the map to refresh my memory and it is East
    London. It's a long time since I went but what I remember was a trip down
    the M1 and then a dreadful journey to the hotel, for what seemed miles,
    through built-up areas with heavy traffic. When we arrived, the car park seemed almost overflowing, although we arrived at around the time the show opened. The following year I cadged a lift with someone else and I wasn't impressed with his driving so haven't been since.

    However, before I venture to the new venue, I will do a virtual drive
    using streetview.

    When we visit the South-west show, we use a Park-and-ride a little to the
    east of Bristol which is about a 10min bus ride from the hotel. Wakefield,
    of course, was sited brilliantly but I've not been since it moved up to Bradford.

    --
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  • From Folderol@21:1/5 to Harriet Bazley on Thu Mar 28 16:10:58 2024
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 18:44:41 GMT
    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

    <snippety snip>
    I'm in South London (and never the twain shall meet!)

    I wasn't aware that the venue had moved, but apparently it's going to be
    in Harrow, which is closer but ironically probably takes more time to
    get to than the previous out-of-London venue from this quadrant of the >city....

    https://www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk/venue.php



    Hmm. Not good, not at all good :(

    By car I have two practical routes, Dartford crossing and M25 North, or M25 South. Both are equally unpleasant (and about the same distance). North is slightly quicker, but of course includes the Dart charge.

    If I go at all, I think I'll go by train. Twice as long travelling but far less stressful. So sorry, Harriet, I won't be able to help.

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Stuart on Thu Mar 28 22:30:22 2024
    On 28 Mar, Stuart wrote in message
    <5b48a2ef0fSpambin@argonet.co.uk>:

    It's a long time since I went but what I remember was a trip down
    the M1 and then a dreadful journey to the hotel, for what seemed miles, through built-up areas with heavy traffic.

    From the motorway? Luxury. I used to take the A244 round from Leatherhead,
    and that was invariably fun.

    When we arrived, the car park seemed almost overflowing, although we
    arrived at around the time the show opened.

    The car park at St Giles was pretty awful. Even getting a space as an
    exhibitor could be a challenge.

    Wakefield, of course, was sited brilliantly but I've not been since it
    moved up to Bradford.

    It's not really any different if you're coming by car, except perhaps being
    a bit further or a bit closer depending on where you're starting from (it's further for Kenilworth). The hotel is right on the terminus of the M606, and
    on a Saturday that's not usually busy -- and there's no need to negotiate
    the roundabout at junction 3 unless you're coming in on the ring road,
    because the underpass deposits you on the light-controlled junction where
    the hotel is.

    See https://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/travel for a map -- I even drove
    through the junction on the way home from work one evening to check the directions.

    The hotel is inside the Bradford CAZ, but unless you're driving some kind of truck or commercial vehicle, you're probably exempt -- it's worth checking, though. There's a link from the show website.

    PS. I've just realised that the train map might be incorrect this year, as
    I'm not sure if there are any services on the "blue" line from Ilkley to Shipley until June or July after someone's house and garden ended up more on the line than the embankment. It's a fairly niche route in (in terms of the wider UK show audience), though, and those using it will probably have local knowledge of the problems and replacement bus services.

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to Folderol on Fri Mar 29 00:39:13 2024
    On 28 Mar 2024 as I do recall,
    Folderol wrote:


    [snip]

    If I go at all, I think I'll go by train. Twice as long travelling but
    far less stressful. So sorry, Harriet, I won't be able to help.


    That's all right - I shall probably be able to do it myself, although
    possibly not by bike-and-trailer (Harrow being about fifteen miles away
    and notoriously hilly!)
    I think Islington marks the current limit of my self-propelled
    explorations North of the River....

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