• RGB to CMYK

    From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 2 17:23:17 2024
    Hi folks,

    Does anyone know of an application that will convert RGB values to CMYK
    and/or vice-versa?

    It can be done using on-line converters but I can't find a stand alone
    prog.

    Either RiscOS or the dark Side would be acceptable.

    Regards,

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    Chris

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Tue Apr 2 20:12:11 2024
    On 2 Apr 2024 as I do recall,
    Chris Newman wrote:

    Hi folks,

    Does anyone know of an application that will convert RGB values to CMYK and/or vice-versa?

    Can't you just use Paint?

    The colour picker allows you to switch between RGB, CMYK and HSV values
    and translates the current setting as you do so: for example 'desktop
    blue' is 60% cyan, 33.3% magenta, 0% yellow and 40% black, or 0% Red,
    26.6% green and 60% blue. Wind up the green and red and reduce the blue
    ands you get a yellow that is 100% red, 87.5% green and 12.8% blue...
    which Paint tells me is equivalent to 0% cyan, 12.5% magenta, 87.1%
    yellow and 0% black.

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Harriet Bazley on Tue Apr 2 22:29:41 2024
    On 2 Apr, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
    <6d006c4b5b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

    The colour picker allows you to switch between RGB, CMYK and HSV values
    and translates the current setting as you do so

    If you want a stand-alone version, Rosemary Miskin's ColDef2 would probably
    do the trick.

    https://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk/net/main2.html

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 2 23:49:05 2024
    In article <5b4b7e44b0mec@npost.uk>, Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk>
    wrote:
    In article <mpro.sbc3nn00njemc05cj.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
    Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 2 Apr, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
    <6d006c4b5b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

    If you want a stand-alone version, Rosemary Miskin's ColDef2 would
    probably do the trick.

    https://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk/net/main2.html

    That leads me to version 1.26 (2006). I discovered sitting n my
    machine I already have 1.30 (2023). From whence that cometh I know
    not.

    I made some changes to it, but was unable to contact Rosemary for her
    to accept and put on her website. So as a temporary measure v1.30 is
    available from my website www.avisoft.f9.co.uk
    The changes were...

    - Changed Wimp_Poll to PollIdle to reduce CPU usage.
    - Added test for Titanium rgb <> gbr swap to correct colours.
    - Added &rgb option for colours as in Icon validation strings.
    - Stopped loops in FNwimperror.
    - Updated Program Information version from program.

    If anyone has a contact for Rosemary, please let me know.

    However, I do not think it will be useful for CMYK colours!

    Martin

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to news@stevefryatt.org.uk on Tue Apr 2 23:31:42 2024
    In article <mpro.sbc3nn00njemc05cj.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 2 Apr, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
    <6d006c4b5b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

    The colour picker allows you to switch between RGB, CMYK and HSV
    values and translates the current setting as you do so

    If you want a stand-alone version, Rosemary Miskin's ColDef2 would
    probably do the trick.

    https://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk/net/main2.html

    That leads me to version 1.26 (2006). I discovered sitting n my machine
    I already have 1.30 (2023). From whence that cometh I know not.

    I was trying to help the mem sahib who was using MS Publisher.
    she had concocted a yellow which according to her m/c had the values
    R 255 G 252 B 0

    Putting that into an online converter gave C 0 M 1 Y 80 K 0

    Another converter gave the CMYK in percentages ie

    C 0 M 1.18 Y 100 B 0

    Putting that into paint gave percentages.

    R 100 G 98.8 B 20
    Tried again and got R 94.9 G 93.7 B 14.9

    ColDef2 gave R 87.1 G 85.9 B 7

    So something is being lost in the translation.

    Now I am completely confused by the methods used to state the parameters
    and the differences in translation.

    I am a bear of little brain (said Pooh)

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    Chris

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  • From Martin Wuerthner@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu Apr 4 09:45:03 2024
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <mpro.sbc3nn00njemc05cj.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 2 Apr, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
    <6d006c4b5b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

    The colour picker allows you to switch between RGB, CMYK and HSV
    values and translates the current setting as you do so

    If you want a stand-alone version, Rosemary Miskin's ColDef2 would
    probably do the trick.

    https://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk/net/main2.html

    That leads me to version 1.26 (2006). I discovered sitting n my machine I already have 1.30 (2023). From whence that cometh I know not.

    I was trying to help the mem sahib who was using MS Publisher. she had concocted a yellow which according to her m/c had the values R 255 G 252 B
    0

    Putting that into an online converter gave C 0 M 1 Y 80 K 0

    Another converter gave the CMYK in percentages ie

    C 0 M 1.18 Y 100 B 0

    Putting that into paint gave percentages.

    R 100 G 98.8 B 20 Tried again and got R 94.9 G 93.7 B 14.9

    ColDef2 gave R 87.1 G 85.9 B 7

    So something is being lost in the translation.

    Yes, that is unavoidable. There are many ways of converting both ways and
    you cannot generally expect a round-trip to get you back to where you
    started from, nor can you expect that a colour in one colour space even has
    a matching colour in the other.

    The way an RGB colour looks depends on your monitor and its settings and the way a CMYK colour looks depends on the ink and paper used for printing. To
    get an accurate conversion, you need a process called colour management involving a calibrated monitor and colour profiles.

    The RGB<->CMYK conversion done by the RISC OS colour picker is extremely simplistic and not really usable for defining colours for professional print work. Some applications, e.g., OvationPro and ArtWorks (with CMYK ink simulation switched on) do slightly better, but this is still very far from even the beginnings of a colour managed workflow.

    In the absence of a fully colour managed workflow your best bet is to go to
    the printers and look at printed samples of standard colour palettes, e.g., Pantone and choose one of these colours. If you then put the CMYK values
    given for the chosen colour into an application that can deal with CMYK
    colours and you have an output process that gets them to the printers
    without them being converted back to RGB on the way, then you have a chance that the correct colour will eventually appear in the printed output.

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Wuerthner on Thu Apr 4 17:37:17 2024
    In article <mpro.sbew5n005cgba2axc.spamtrap@mw-software.com>, Martin
    Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:


    <Snip>

    So something is being lost in the translation.

    Yes, that is unavoidable. There are many ways of converting both ways
    and you cannot generally expect a round-trip to get you back to where
    you started from, nor can you expect that a colour in one colour space
    even has a matching colour in the other.

    The way an RGB colour looks depends on your monitor and its settings
    and the way a CMYK colour looks depends on the ink and paper used for printing. To get an accurate conversion, you need a process called
    colour management involving a calibrated monitor and colour profiles.

    The RGB<->CMYK conversion done by the RISC OS colour picker is
    extremely simplistic and not really usable for defining colours for professional print work. Some applications, e.g., OvationPro and
    ArtWorks (with CMYK ink simulation switched on) do slightly better, but
    this is still very far from even the beginnings of a colour managed
    workflow.

    In the absence of a fully colour managed workflow your best bet is to
    go to the printers and look at printed samples of standard colour
    palettes, e.g., Pantone and choose one of these colours. If you then
    put the CMYK values given for the chosen colour into an application
    that can deal with CMYK colours and you have an output process that
    gets them to the printers without them being converted back to RGB on
    the way, then you have a chance that the correct colour will eventually appear in the printed output.

    Thanks, Martin. That's really enlightening.

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    Chris

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