• Newshound and NNTPS

    From David Higton@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 15 22:28:13 2024
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    David

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  • From John Williams (News)@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed May 15 23:00:53 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post

    I think that includes me!

    Best wishes,

    John

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed May 15 23:08:16 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    Newshond, Netfetch and Pluto here.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed May 15 22:00:03 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    Yes, NewsHound, POPStar and Pluto here.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to David Higton on Wed May 15 23:25:10 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post.
    Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port
    563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using
    something other than Newshound to do so).

    NewsHound v1.54 (with STARTTLS), with AntiSpam + Pluto here.

    I see you are using NewsHound v1.55 - is that generally available?
    If so, where from?

    --
    Martin Avison
    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
    without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu May 16 07:04:29 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    David

    Newshound 1.54 (23-Apr-24) and Pluto 3.20 (20-Jan-24) to read/write.

    Servers:
    --------
    News.Individusl.NET
    news.eternal-september.org

    Dave

    Mail with Hermes 5.56.01

    --

    Dave Triffid

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Martin on Thu May 16 10:14:20 2024
    In article <5b61a29d6eNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post.
    Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port
    563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something other than Newshound to do so).

    NewsHound v1.54 (with STARTTLS), with AntiSpam + Pluto here.

    I see you are using NewsHound v1.55 - is that generally available?
    If so, where from?

    I think mine came from some chap called Dave Higton.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Richard Darby (news)@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu May 16 10:28:08 2024
    In article <5b61a11169mec@npost.uk>,
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    Newshond, Netfetch and Pluto here.

    Yes and here too.

    Richard.

    --

    Richard Darby.
    website: http://www.rjdarby.co.uk
    Do not reply to this address all mail is deleted.
    Reply to: <my first name> at <my domain>

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Higton on Thu May 16 10:46:30 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David
    Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to
    post.

    Add me to the list.

    John

    --
    John
    newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk
    j dot mccartney atte blueyonder dot co dot uk

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu May 16 11:10:22 2024
    In article <5b61de0c63mec@npost.uk>,
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
    In article <5b61a29d6eNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    [Snip]

    NewsHound v1.54 (with STARTTLS), with AntiSpam + Pluto here.

    I see you are using NewsHound v1.55 - is that generally available?
    If so, where from?

    I think mine came from some chap called Dave Higton.

    Dave was using v1.55 ... but you seem to be using v1.54 like me ...?

    --
    Martin Avison
    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
    without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Martin on Thu May 16 11:17:17 2024
    In message <5b61a29d6eNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something other than Newshound to do so).

    NewsHound v1.54 (with STARTTLS), with AntiSpam + Pluto here.

    I see you are using NewsHound v1.55 - is that generally available? If so, where from?

    It's freshly baked by me as of last night, and not fully tested yet, so
    not yet generally available. If all goes well, it will be generally
    available soon.

    My message that started this thread was the first ever to be posted by Newshound using NNTPS - and this is the second.

    NNTPS is secure, like when using STARTTLS, except that it's secure right
    from the start.

    My main concern at the moment is that it relies on the user specifying
    port 563, in order to know to use NNTPS. This won't work if the user's
    chosen news server uses some other port for NNTPS. In turn that would
    require some other mechanism in the group file to specify NNTPS.

    Orpheus's news server and Eternal September both use 563 for NNTPS.

    David

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  • From Brian Jordan@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu May 16 11:25:31 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring...

    Newshound v1.54 (23-Apr-24) here.

    [Snip]

    --
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Brian Jordan
    brian.jordan9@btinternet.com
    RISC OS 5.30 (27-Apr-24) on Raspberry Pi _____________________________________________________________________

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to John on Thu May 16 11:35:04 2024
    In message <5b61e0fe1dnewsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>
    John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David
    Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to
    post.

    Add me to the list.

    Using Newshound 1.54 / Netfetch / Messenegr Pro 9.01 here.


    --
    Chris Hughes

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu May 16 12:49:54 2024
    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5b61a29d6eNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    [Snip]

    I see you are using NewsHound v1.55 - is that generally
    available? If so, where from?

    It's freshly baked by me as of last night, and not fully tested
    yet, so not yet generally available. If all goes well, it will be
    generally available soon.

    My message that started this thread was the first ever to be posted
    by Newshound using NNTPS - and this is the second.

    Brilliant! Many thanks for doing all that.

    --
    Martin Avison
    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
    without notice if (when) any spam is received.

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  • From Evan Clark@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu May 16 17:25:54 2024
    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Orpheus's news server and Eternal September both use 563 for NNTPS.

    Quoting from the news.individual.net FAQ:

    There is also the option to access the server through NNTPS / NNTP
    over SSL. The server name is "News.Individual.NET" and the port
    number is "563" (the standard NNTPS port).

    Evan.

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  • From Alan Griffin@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu May 16 18:15:03 2024
    In article <5b61a11169mec@npost.uk>,
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post.
    Newshond, Netfetch and Pluto here.

    And here.
    Alan

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Thu May 16 21:51:55 2024
    In message <5b621bfe7cmec@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton

    <Snip>

    My main concern at the moment is that it relies on the user specifying
    port 563, in order to know to use NNTPS. This won't work if the user's chosen news server uses some other port for NNTPS. In turn that would require some other mechanism in the group file to specify NNTPS.

    Orpheus's news server and Eternal September both use 563 for NNTPS.

    Hadn't realized that Orpheus did news. Is that only if you have their broadband? I just have domains with them.

    Dunno, sorry. I only have an account because Andrew Rawnsley wanted me
    to look at why Newshound wasn't working with their news server. Turned
    out that their server had a couple of configuration issues - quickly
    solved, of course. No change necessary to NH.

    However, he did suggest that working with NNTPS would be desirable. Unfortunately I couldn't resist the challenge :-) As it happens, only
    minimal change to Newshound appears to have been necessary.

    David

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 16 21:30:57 2024
    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton

    <Snip>

    My main concern at the moment is that it relies on the user specifying
    port 563, in order to know to use NNTPS. This won't work if the user's chosen news server uses some other port for NNTPS. In turn that would require some other mechanism in the group file to specify NNTPS.

    Orpheus's news server and Eternal September both use 563 for NNTPS.

    Hadn't realized that Orpheus did news. Is that only if you have their broadband? I just have domains with them.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to David Higton on Thu May 16 22:22:54 2024
    In article <06ea1d625b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5b621bfe7cmec@npost.uk>
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:

    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton

    <Snip>

    My main concern at the moment is that it relies on the user specifying port 563, in order to know to use NNTPS. This won't work if the user's chosen news server uses some other port for NNTPS. In turn that would require some other mechanism in the group file to specify NNTPS.

    Orpheus's news server and Eternal September both use 563 for NNTPS.

    Hadn't realized that Orpheus did news. Is that only if you have their broadband? I just have domains with them.

    Dunno, sorry. I only have an account because Andrew Rawnsley wanted me
    to look at why Newshound wasn't working with their news server. Turned
    out that their server had a couple of configuration issues - quickly
    solved, of course. No change necessary to NH.

    However, he did suggest that working with NNTPS would be desirable. Unfortunately I couldn't resist the challenge :-) As it happens, only minimal change to Newshound appears to have been necessary.

    Splendid.

    --
    Chris

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Harriet Bazley on Sat May 18 21:09:49 2024
    In message <13741e635b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
    Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

    On 15 May 2024 as I do recall,
    David Higton wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something other than Newshound to do so).

    I was going to suggest scanning the newsgroup headers, but judging by the replies to this thread Newshound doesn't always show up even when people
    say they are using it!

    Apparently I'm on Newshound 1.53-32 RC1 (I have no idea why....)

    My thanks to all for your replies. Extra thanks to Evan Clark for the information that news.individual.net also uses the standard NNTPS port.

    I've contacted Steve Fryatt about getting the updated source and distro
    into git at Sourceforge.

    David

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sat May 18 20:34:01 2024
    On 15 May 2024 as I do recall,
    David Higton wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    I was going to suggest scanning the newsgroup headers, but judging by
    the replies to this thread Newshound doesn't always show up even when
    people say they are using it!

    Apparently I'm on Newshound 1.53-32 RC1 (I have no idea why....)

    --
    Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==

    A chicken is an egg's way of producing more eggs.

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sun May 19 16:45:03 2024
    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something other than Newshound to do so).

    Sorry to bother you all again. Please ignore this posting. I'm still struggling with the Orpheus news server - I can read but I don't appear
    to be able to post. If anyone sees this, it's working better than I
    thought!

    David

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sun May 19 18:42:13 2024
    In message <33e991635b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM.davehigton.me.uk>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also if
    anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT using
    STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something other than
    Newshound to do so).

    Sorry to bother you all again. Please ignore this posting. I'm still struggling with the Orpheus news server - I can read but I don't appear
    to be able to post. If anyone sees this, it's working better than I
    thought!

    Well it arrived here. via Enternal-September


    --
    Chris Hughes

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  • From Brian Jordan@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sun May 19 18:53:02 2024
    In article <33e991635b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM.davehigton.me.uk>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    If anyone sees this, it's working better than I thought!
    I'm here to bring you good news ;=)

    --
    _____________________________________________________________________

    Brian Jordan
    brian.jordan9@btinternet.com
    RISC OS 5.30 (27-Apr-24) on Raspberry Pi _____________________________________________________________________

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to Higton on Mon May 20 12:06:31 2024
    In article <33e991635b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM.davehigton.me.uk>, David
    Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
    <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    Sorry to bother you all again. Please ignore this posting. I'm still struggling with the Orpheus news server - I can read but I don't appear
    to be able to post. If anyone sees this, it's working better than I
    thought!

    Arrived here via Eternal-September.

    --
    Chris

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to David Higton on Fri May 24 17:00:03 2024
    In article <33e991635b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM.davehigton.me.uk>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something other than Newshound to do so).

    Sorry to bother you all again. Please ignore this posting. I'm still struggling with the Orpheus news server - I can read but I don't appear
    to be able to post. If anyone sees this, it's working better than I
    thought!

    Arrived here via Orpheus' news server

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to Chris Newman on Fri May 24 16:30:03 2024
    In article <5b621bfe7cmec@npost.uk>,
    Chris Newman <mec@npost.uk> wrote:
    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton

    <Snip>

    My main concern at the moment is that it relies on the user specifying
    port 563, in order to know to use NNTPS. This won't work if the user's chosen news server uses some other port for NNTPS. In turn that would require some other mechanism in the group file to specify NNTPS.

    Orpheus's news server and Eternal September both use 563 for NNTPS.

    Hadn't realized that Orpheus did news. Is that only if you have their broadband? I just have domains with them.

    Probably, they are my ISP. However, while it was originally free, they now
    make an extra charge for news access.

    --
    Stuart Winsor

    Tools With A Mission
    sending tools across the world
    http://www.twam.co.uk/

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  • From Rob Hemmings@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sun Aug 4 15:42:35 2024
    In article <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    David

    I'm still here and using Newshound. Thanks.

    --
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Rob Hemmings Southport

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  • From Chris Hughes@21:1/5 to Paul Stewart on Sun Feb 2 12:08:58 2025
    In message <2804d5e85b.Paul@phorefaux>
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post. Also
    if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port 563, NOT
    using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using something
    other than Newshound to do so).

    David

    Using Newshound 1.52-52 here.

    Just changed news feed from eternal-september (can receive but no longer
    send posts :) ) to www.i2pn2.org. It is free and if you register, posting still works via Newshound 1.52-52

    You needed the newer fixed version of Newshound that allows send and
    receiving from eternal-september. Been using it for sometime, work done by David Higton.



    --
    Chris Hughes

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  • From Chris Newman@21:1/5 to news13@noonehere.co.uk on Sun Feb 2 12:30:34 2025
    In article <780ddbe85b.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
    <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <2804d5e85b.Paul@phorefaux> Paul Stewart
    <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM> David Higton
    <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post.
    Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on port
    563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely are using
    something other than Newshound to do so).

    David

    Using Newshound 1.52-52 here.

    Just changed news feed from eternal-september (can receive but no
    longer send posts :) ) to www.i2pn2.org. It is free and if you
    register, posting still works via Newshound 1.52-52

    You needed the newer fixed version of Newshound that allows send and receiving from eternal-september. Been using it for sometime, work done
    by David Higton.

    version 1.54 (23-Apr-24)

    --
    Chris

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Chris Hughes on Sun Feb 2 12:36:05 2025
    In article <780ddbe85b.chris@mytardis>,
    Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <2804d5e85b.Paul@phorefaux>
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

    In message <be669d615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    Just enquiring who's still on here and using Newshound to post.
    Also if anyone's using NNTPS (that's secure NNTP, usually on
    port 563, NOT using STARTTLS - and, if you are, you definitely
    are using something other than Newshound to do so).

    David

    Using Newshound 1.52-52 here.

    Just changed news feed from eternal-september (can receive but no
    longer send posts :) ) to www.i2pn2.org. It is free and if you
    register, posting still works via Newshound 1.52-52

    You needed the newer fixed version of Newshound that allows send
    and receiving from eternal-september. Been using it for sometime,
    work done by David Higton.

    I have also been using v1.54 (3 May 2021) without problems, but
    earlier in this thread in May 2024 David did say...

    In article <bccfe3615b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>,
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
    In message <5b61a29d6eNews03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    I see you are using NewsHound v1.55 - is that generally
    available? If so, where from?

    It's freshly baked by me as of last night, and not fully tested
    yet, so not yet generally available. If all goes well, it will be
    generally available soon.

    Did v1.55 ever become available? If so, where?

    Martin

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    Martin Avison
    Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Martin on Sun Feb 2 20:04:34 2025
    On 2 Feb, Martin wrote in message
    <5be8dd8809News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>:

    Did v1.55 ever become available? If so, where?

    I thought that Dave had posted somewhere that he had hit a problem with 1.55 and was going back to the drawing board with it. I don't know where that
    was, though.

    That said, aside from source code (which is in the SourceForge Git repo),
    did 1.54 ever become available anywhere apart from by direct application to Dave or R-Comp?

    --
    Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

    http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Sat Feb 8 17:40:08 2025
    In message <mpro.sr2nrg034gd3q03qf.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

    On 2 Feb, Martin wrote in message
    <5be8dd8809News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>:

    Did v1.55 ever become available? If so, where?

    I thought that Dave had posted somewhere that he had hit a problem with
    1.55 and was going back to the drawing board with it. I don't know where
    that was, though.

    There may or may not be a probem with STARTTLS, but the "proper" way to
    do it is NNTPS, and that's what I've been using since last May. So I'm
    happy to release 1.55 now, even if STARTTLS doesn't work.

    That said, aside from source code (which is in the SourceForge Git repo),
    did 1.54 ever become available anywhere apart from by direct application to Dave or R-Comp?

    I've only ever sent it out to a very small number of people, one of
    whom was Andrew Rawnsley. I've never made it available from my site.

    I'm preparing a distribution release of 1.55 now. Steve, you have
    email.

    Steve is the keeper of the git repo. There are one or two details to
    be resolved before distro and source become available.

    If anyone is interested: NewsHound is old fashioned in that it keeps
    its configuration within the app. This has been frowned on for years.
    Trouble is, it's going to be difficult to write code that puts the
    config in Choices$Write for new users, but doesn't just blindly look
    there and start up without a configuration if someone simply copies a
    new version over an old. Thoughts welcome!

    David

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  • From Martin@21:1/5 to Paul Stewart on Sat Feb 8 19:46:22 2025
    In article <5b0e19ec5b.Paul@phorefaux>,
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    In message <236310ec5b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    If anyone is interested: NewsHound is old fashioned in that it
    keeps its configuration within the app. This has been frowned on
    for years. Trouble is, it's going to be difficult to write code
    that puts the config in Choices$Write for new users, but doesn't
    just blindly look there and start up without a configuration if
    someone simply copies a new version over an old. Thoughts
    welcome!

    Could you not have Newshound do a check on start up for an existing
    config stored inside the app and automatically move this to
    Choices? Then it can just blindly look there and the user will
    know no difference.

    One way is to read choices using a path with both Choices and !app in,
    but write it using Chooices$Write ... or something like that!

    Excellent news about v1.55!

    Martin

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Martin on Sat Feb 8 21:36:17 2025
    In message <5bec1bf1c2News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
    Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

    In article <5b0e19ec5b.Paul@phorefaux>,
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:
    In message <236310ec5b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    If anyone is interested: NewsHound is old fashioned in that it keeps
    its configuration within the app. This has been frowned on for years. Trouble is, it's going to be difficult to write code that puts the
    config in Choices$Write for new users, but doesn't just blindly look there and start up without a configuration if someone simply copies a
    new version over an old. Thoughts welcome!

    Could you not have Newshound do a check on start up for an existing
    config stored inside the app and automatically move this to Choices?
    Then it can just blindly look there and the user will know no difference.

    One way is to read choices using a path with both Choices and !app in, but write it using Chooices$Write ... or something like that!

    Intereresting idea, thank you, Martin!

    David

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  • From David Higton@21:1/5 to Paul Stewart on Sat Feb 8 21:34:05 2025
    In message <5b0e19ec5b.Paul@phorefaux>
    Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

    In message <236310ec5b.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
    David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

    If anyone is interested: NewsHound is old fashioned in that it keeps its configuration within the app. This has been frowned on for years.
    Trouble is, it's going to be difficult to write code that puts the config in Choices$Write for new users, but doesn't just blindly look there and start up without a configuration if someone simply copies a new version over an old. Thoughts welcome!

    Could you not have Newshound do a check on start up for an existing config stored inside the app and automatically move this to Choices? Then it can just blindly look there and the user will know no difference.

    I could, but I'd be very worried about what would happen if for any reason
    it failed.

    I've moved the writable stuff out of the app into the Choices tree in my running copy. It only required the data to be copied over and a new
    !Boot file written with two lines changed. So maybe it would be better
    to have a separate app that offers to do the job?

    David

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to David Higton on Sat Feb 8 21:26:43 2025
    On 8 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
    David Higton wrote:


    If anyone is interested: NewsHound is old fashioned in that it keeps
    its configuration within the app. This has been frowned on for years. Trouble is, it's going to be difficult to write code that puts the
    config in Choices$Write for new users, but doesn't just blindly look
    there and start up without a configuration if someone simply copies a
    new version over an old. Thoughts welcome!


    Most of my apps (having been written to work on RISC OS 3.1 with a !Boot
    file instead of a !Boot/Choices structure) function like this.

    From Textseek:


    DEF FNconfigfilereadname(leaf$)
    LOCAL n$,n%
    n%=FNwimp_testsysvariable("Choices$Path")
    IF n%=FALSE THEN n$=appdir$ ELSE n$="Choices:Textseek"
    =n$+"."+leaf$

    DEF FNconfigfilewritename(leaf$)
    LOCAL n$,n%
    n%=FNwimp_testsysvariable("Choices$Write")
    IF n%=FALSE THEN n$=appdir$ ELSE n$="<Choices$Write>.Textseek"
    =n$+"."+leaf$

    'readname' and 'writename' are slight misnomers for historical reasons -
    they are actually a 'readpath' and 'writepath' to which the leafname of
    the file gets appended!

    Every time you want to OPENIN a configuration file you access it via the
    path returned by FNconfigfilereadname(leaf$), which may or may not point
    to Choices$Path; every time you want to OPENOUT and write to a
    configuration file you access it via the path returned by FNconfigfilewritename(leaf$). During the setup process the program
    executes

    IF FNifthere(FNconfigfilereadname("Config")) THEN PROCrestoreoptions ELSE PROCupdateconfig

    Here FNconfigfilereadname reads from Choices:Textseek.Config if the file
    exists (not if Choices$Path exists...) and if it doesn't then it falls
    back to the copy inside <Textseek$Dir>.Resources (the value of appdir$).
    (And if *that* fails because it is a new installation and no
    configuration has ever been saved, it reads the default values out of
    the current window template data!)


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    The best laid schemes o' mice and men gang oft a-gley.

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