• Re: How did Apple do it?

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Mar 28 23:35:28 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    nospam wrote:

    they're clearly not the only ones lacking in expertise or understanding
    and you are entirely missing the point of his post.

    It's Apple who can't even _design_ something as small as a modem, nospam.
    And it's Apple who can't even _integrate_ a modem they bought outright.

    It's Apple who lacks the expertise in design.
    But Apple makes up for that lack of design expertise with stellar MARKETING!

    And you iKooks fall for every obvious marketing trick in the book, nospam.

    Both nospam and Alan Baker are iKooks who suffer from the same issues:
    a. Their ego is somehow (strangely so) intertwined with Apple marketing BS
    b. And both lack the IQ necessary to separate fact from fiction
    c. Worse, both have no education (certainly none in marketing gimmicks)

    Apple _trademarks_ anything they can as a mere marketing gimmick.
    That way they can "sell" that gimmick to ignorant fools like nospam & AB.

    The fact remains almost everyone buys Qualcomm modems, so woo hoo there.
    Almost everyone buys any one given level of ARM technology too, so woo hoo.
    And almost everyone has TSMC fab those Qualcomm/ARM technologies. Woo hoo.

    The only woo hoo in all of Alan Bakers diatribe was he's absolutely enamored that Apple bothered to trademark what nobody else bothered to trademark.

    Wow. Apple can make "*TSMC Silicon!*" using Qualcomm & ARM technology.

    Woo hoo.
    --
    Apple buys the modem from Qualcomm, woo hoo; and Apple buys the technology
    from ARM, woo hoo; and TSMC fabs it for them, yet another woo hoo. Not.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Mon Mar 28 16:48:06 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2022-03-28 3:35 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    they're clearly not the only ones lacking in expertise or understanding
    and you are entirely missing the point of his post.

    It's Apple who can't even _design_ something as small as a modem, nospam.
    And it's Apple who can't even _integrate_ a modem they bought outright.

    There is no substantiation of either of those claims.


    It's Apple who lacks the expertise in design. But Apple makes up for
    that lack of design expertise with stellar MARKETING!

    And you iKooks fall for every obvious marketing trick in the book, nospam.

    Both nospam and Alan Baker are iKooks who suffer from the same issues:
    a. Their ego is somehow (strangely so) intertwined with Apple marketing BS
    b. And both lack the IQ necessary to separate fact from fiction
    c. Worse, both have no education (certainly none in marketing gimmicks)

    Apple _trademarks_ anything they can as a mere marketing gimmick.
    That way they can "sell" that gimmick to ignorant fools like nospam & AB.

    The fact remains almost everyone buys Qualcomm modems, so woo hoo there. Almost everyone buys any one given level of ARM technology too, so woo hoo. And almost everyone has TSMC fab those Qualcomm/ARM technologies. Woo hoo.

    The only woo hoo in all of Alan Bakers diatribe was he's absolutely
    enamored
    that Apple bothered to trademark what nobody else bothered to trademark.

    Wow. Apple can make "*TSMC Silicon!*" using Qualcomm & ARM technology.

    No. Apple can design their own CPUs that run the ARM instruction set and
    have them manufactured by TSMC...

    ...just as many other chip companies have done.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Lewis on Tue Mar 29 01:22:32 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    Lewis wrote:

    Only a completely brain-dead troll would try to claim that Apple's chips
    are not Apple.

    Nobody said that but you and Alan Baker because your IQ is too low to understand what they said, you have no education, and your ego is indelibly wrapped up in believing that Apple has the greatest marketing on earth.

    What the _adults_ said, which you whooshed on, is
    a. Apple buys modem from Qualcomm (& _still_ can't integrate it into an SOC)
    b. Apple bought the ARM technology
    c. TSMC fab'd the SOC, not Apple

    It's *TSMC Silicon*.

    You don't understand _any_ of that because of three things:
    a. Your IQ (and that of Alan Baker) is around 40
    b. Your education (and that of Alan Baker) doesn't exist
    c. Your sense of self esteem (rightly so) is in the toilet

    All you iKooks garner almost all your self esteem from Apple marketing BS.
    You even gloat time & again over how much profit Apple makes off you iKooks.

    Never forget _nobody_ in high tech spends _less_ than does Apple on R&D.
    Never forget you can't make those profits off of an intelligent customer.
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    A key difference between an educated and uneducated person is that the
    educated person makes assessments based on the actual facts of the matter.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 29 11:42:17 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    Am 29.03.22 um 02:35 schrieb Rudolph Rhein:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-28 12:13 p.m., sms wrote:
    On 3/28/2022 10:13 AM, someone wrote:
    The chip is fabricated by TSMC:

    Please do not respond in c.m.a and only respond if you must to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system because this thread
    has nothing to do with Android.

    Put anyone who still responds to c.m.a into your kill file please.

    Are you trying to mimic a netcop? Nice try.

    I'll put this Troll Alan back to the killfile anyway where he was for years.

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    De gustibus non est disputandum

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Tue Mar 29 22:36:45 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    Alan Browne wrote:

    They are too smart to join the troll.

    Marketing's job is to influence buyer behavior psychology.
    Apple is great at that (no... brilliant at that).

    Apple likely spends ten times more in MARKETING than in R&D as a result.

    The whole "*TSMC Silicon*" marketing proves how great Apple is at that.
    Woo hoo. So Apple pays TSMC to make their chips. So does everyone else.

    You need a dumb uneducated customer base to _believe_ those silly gimmicks. Nobody on the _adult_ OS newsgroups falls for Microsoft or Intel gimmicks.

    Only Apple iKooks fall for every obvious Marketing gimmick in the book.
    But even so, what do Apple marketing gimmicks have to do with Android?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue Mar 29 18:11:11 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2022-03-29 2:36 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Alan Browne wrote:

    They are too smart to join the troll.

    Marketing's job is to influence buyer behavior psychology.
    Apple is great at that (no... brilliant at that).

    Apple likely spends ten times more in MARKETING than in R&D as a result.

    So suddenly it's "likely"... ...and not a fact?


    The whole "*TSMC Silicon*" marketing proves how great Apple is at that.

    Nope.

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename

    Woo hoo. So Apple pays TSMC to make their chips. So does everyone else.

    Manufacturing is not designing.

    You need a dumb uneducated customer base to _believe_ those silly gimmicks. Nobody on the _adult_ OS newsgroups falls for Microsoft or Intel gimmicks.

    Only Apple iKooks fall for every obvious Marketing gimmick in the book.
    But even so, what do Apple marketing gimmicks have to do with Android?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 29 21:20:17 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <t20anf$reo$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-29 2:36 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    ...

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename

    including intel, who plans to use tsmc to fab some of intel's own chips.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 29 18:40:43 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2022-03-29 6:20 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <t20anf$reo$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-03-29 2:36 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    ...

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename

    including intel, who plans to use tsmc to fab some of intel's own chips.

    And then there are Qualcomm, Nvidia...

    ...and lots of other who have no fabs either.

    According to our Arlen, every Qualcomm chip--every Nvidia chip...

    ...is actually "TSMC Silicon"?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Mar 29 22:44:10 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <t20cet$6dn$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename

    including intel, who plans to use tsmc to fab some of intel's own chips.

    And then there are Qualcomm, Nvidia...

    yep, but intel is surprising given that they have their own fabs.

    unfortunately, intel is well behind the curve, thus the need to sub it
    out to tsmc.

    ...and lots of other who have no fabs either.

    According to our Arlen, every Qualcomm chip--every Nvidia chip...

    ...is actually "TSMC Silicon"?

    he has absolutely no idea about pretty much everything.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Mar 29 19:44:58 2022
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2022-03-29 7:44 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <t20cet$6dn$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename

    including intel, who plans to use tsmc to fab some of intel's own chips.

    And then there are Qualcomm, Nvidia...

    yep, but intel is surprising given that they have their own fabs.

    unfortunately, intel is well behind the curve, thus the need to sub it
    out to tsmc.

    ...and lots of other who have no fabs either.

    According to our Arlen, every Qualcomm chip--every Nvidia chip...

    ...is actually "TSMC Silicon"?

    he has absolutely no idea about pretty much everything.

    And proves it every day!

    "-)

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Apr 23 10:38:30 2022
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 9:11:13 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-29 2:36 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Alan Browne wrote:

    They are too smart to join the troll.

    Marketing's job is to influence buyer behavior psychology.
    Apple is great at that (no... brilliant at that).

    Apple likely spends ten times more in MARKETING than in R&D as a result.
    So suddenly it's "likely"... ...and not a fact?

    The whole "*TSMC Silicon*" marketing proves how great Apple is at that.
    Nope.

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename
    Woo hoo. So Apple pays TSMC to make their chips. So does everyone else.
    Manufacturing is not designing.
    You need a dumb uneducated customer base to _believe_ those silly gimmicks. Nobody on the _adult_ OS newsgroups falls for Microsoft or Intel gimmicks.

    Only Apple iKooks fall for every obvious Marketing gimmick in the book.
    But even so, what do Apple marketing gimmicks have to do with Android?

    And designing is not manufacturing.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Sat Apr 23 21:00:18 2022
    On 2022-04-23 10:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 9:11:13 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-03-29 2:36 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Alan Browne wrote:

    They are too smart to join the troll.

    Marketing's job is to influence buyer behavior psychology.
    Apple is great at that (no... brilliant at that).

    Apple likely spends ten times more in MARKETING than in R&D as a result.
    So suddenly it's "likely"... ...and not a fact?

    The whole "*TSMC Silicon*" marketing proves how great Apple is at that.
    Nope.

    If you're going to start calling it "TSMC Silicon" because they
    manufacture it, there's a lot more you're going to have to rename
    Woo hoo. So Apple pays TSMC to make their chips. So does everyone else.
    Manufacturing is not designing.
    You need a dumb uneducated customer base to _believe_ those silly gimmicks. >>> Nobody on the _adult_ OS newsgroups falls for Microsoft or Intel gimmicks. >>>
    Only Apple iKooks fall for every obvious Marketing gimmick in the book.
    But even so, what do Apple marketing gimmicks have to do with Android?

    And designing is not manufacturing.

    Correct.

    Designing is the really difficult bit.

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