• How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi

    From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 3 21:57:32 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi
    access points?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue May 3 14:46:16 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2022-05-03 1:57 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi
    access points?


    Easily:

    'Join Wi-Fi networks with a private address

    Connect to Wi-Fi networks like you normally do. A private address
    doesn't affect how you join or use most Wi-Fi networks, but if a network doesn’t allow your device to join, or doesn’t allow it further network
    or internet access after joining, you can turn off Private Address for
    that network.

    Turn Private Address off or on for a network

    Private Address is turned on by default. For improved privacy, leave it
    on for all networks that support it.

    <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT211227>

    And:

    'Connecting to a previously known network

    When a device connects to a network that it remembers connecting to
    before upgrading to iOS 14 or later, iPadOS 14 or later, or watchOS 7 or
    later:

    It tries to connect using the private address.

    If it can't connect because the organization's Wi-Fi network doesn't
    allow a device to join using a private address, it immediately tries to
    connect using its hardware MAC address.


    During this time, and until the device successfully connects using the
    private address:

    The Private Address setting remains off for that network in Settings.

    The device continues to try to connect using the private address. If it
    fails, it continues to use the hardware MAC address.


    After the device successfully connects using a private address, that MAC address is used for future connections to that Wi-Fi network. Exceptions:

    Starting with iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and watchOS 8, if the device hasn’t
    joined the network in 6 weeks, it uses a different private address the
    next time it joins the network.

    If the device is made to forget the network, it will also forget the
    private address it used with that network, unless it has been less than
    2 weeks since the last time it was made to forget that network.'

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Tue May 3 17:55:12 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <t4s4v9$13a9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi
    access points?

    by randomizing it. duh.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Tue May 3 16:52:23 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2022-05-03 4:21 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    nospam wrote:

    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi
    access points?

    by randomizing it. duh.

    What's the seed?

    Did you ask that question about Android?

    I don't recall you doing so.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue May 3 20:00:00 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <t4sf7n$o9s$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-05-03 4:21 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi >>> access points?

    by randomizing it. duh.

    What's the seed?

    Did you ask that question about Android?

    I don't recall you doing so.

    that's because android is genetically engineered to be seedless.

    only apple's have seeds.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to spam@nospam.com on Tue May 3 19:49:12 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <t4sdcv$1it$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

    What's the seed?

    apple seed.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed May 4 00:21:23 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi
    access points?

    by randomizing it. duh.

    What's the seed?

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed May 4 13:48:20 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam wrote:

    How does iOS handle MAC address randomization when connecting to Wi-Fi >>>>> access points?

    by randomizing it. duh.

    What's the seed?

    Did you ask that question about Android?

    I don't recall you doing so.

    that's because android is genetically engineered to be seedless.

    only apple's have seeds.

    The ignorance of the child-like low-IQ no education iKooks knows no bounds.
    *All iOS 14 devices have randomization enabled by default*
    *as well as Android 10 devices*
    <https://cujo.com/mac-address-randomization/>
    "This means that MAC randomization is quickly becoming the de facto
    standard in the mobile networking industry."

    Moving forward with _adult_ discussions, the randomization of MAC addresses
    on Android is network based (per SSID), where I was asking whether iOS currently randomizes MAC addresses based on the SSID or not. <https://d1rytvr7gmk1sx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/randome.jpg?>
    <https://source.android.com/devices/tech/connect/wifi-mac-randomization-behavior>

    To dig deeper into what you uneducated iKooks are completely ignorant of
    "Not all MAC randomization protocols are the same. They depend on the
    manufacturer and the 802.11 chipset a device uses. Randomization
    techniques have also changed over time, but usually, MAC addresses
    randomize as a device probes new networks around it."
    <https://cujo.com/mac-address-randomization/>

    Delving further into what you low-IQ iKooks are unable to ever comprehend
    "Apple devices make up almost 30% of all mobile devices in the US.
    MAC (called Wi-Fi address) randomization was available on all iOS devices
    starting from iOS 8 but was OFF by default. I should note that Apple had
    left some leaks which tracking companies quickly made good use of:
    iOS devices were transmitting their global MAC addresses without
    connecting to Wi-Fi networks first."

    It looks like Apple followed Android's privacy lead in iOS 14 _beta_ ...
    "We saw drastic changes in Apple¢s approach when testing the beta version
    of iOS 14, as it randomized MAC addresses daily for every network,
    even the user¢s home Wi-Fi network."

    But wait... Apple did what in the iOS 14 official release???
    "Apple reconsidered its aggressive approach as MAC randomization on
    the official iOS 14 release is less aggressive than in the beta.
    iPhones randomize their MAC addresses for each network, but only
    do that once unless the user decides to forget a network.
    An unforeseen caveat is that an iPhone or iPad connected to the
    same network on different bands (2.4 and 5 GHz) still shows up
    as two different devices based on MAC addresses."

    That has implications for privacy, given this next sentence:
    "CUJO AI solves these issues without using MAC addresses,
    successfully iOS identifying devices on a network
    with over 94% accuracy within the first 5 minutes."
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    It's telling that you can ask the _same_ question on the adult operating
    system newsgroups as on the Apple newsgroups - and the response tells you everything you need to know about the lack of intelligence on Apple ngs.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed May 4 09:31:56 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <t4sdcv$1it$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
    <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

    What's the seed?

    apple seed.

    Here’s Johnny.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 20:12:31 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    What's the seed?

    apple seed.

    Here¢s Johnny.

    Why is it only the Apple operating system newsgroups which are so childish?

    Notwithstanding that on the _adult_ operating system newsgroups, the same questions were asked, which intelligent people responded to, for some
    reason, the Apple newsgroups are always filled with kindergarten responses.

    Even so, a pertinent _adult_ question is whether iOS can randomize not only
    per network, but per connection (i.e., a new MAC address on every connect)?
    <https://i.postimg.cc/Rh87RNrV/macaddr02.jpg> Random MAC on every connect

    And what seed Apple uses for the per-network & per-connect randomization?
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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Wed May 4 18:00:33 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Andy Burnelli wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    What's the seed?

    apple seed.

    Here¢s Johnny.

    Why is it only the Apple operating system newsgroups which are so
    childish?

    Some day you'll get arrested if you keep stalking children.

    You're a grown man. Shame on you. Goddamn child molester!

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Fri May 6 17:54:15 2022
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:

    What's the seed?

    apple seed.

    Hereขs Johnny.

    Why is it only the Apple operating system newsgroups which are so childish?

    Notwithstanding that on the _adult_ operating system newsgroups, the same questions were asked, which intelligent people responded to, for some
    reason, the Apple newsgroups are always filled with kindergarten responses.

    Even so, a pertinent _adult_ question is whether iOS can randomize not only per network, but per connection (i.e., a new MAC address on every connect)? <https://i.postimg.cc/Rh87RNrV/macaddr02.jpg> Random MAC on every connect

    And what seed Apple uses for the per-network & per-connect randomization?


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