The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds."
not only is your number only an estimate, but you're ignoring that
qualcomm imposes a steep royalty based on the price of the device.
that means apple must pay qualcomm substantially more for an iphone 13
pro max 1tb versus a base model 64gb iphone se 2022, for the exact same
chip.
Here's another that has the guy who said "failed" but not in the headline.
nospam wrote:
The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds."
not only is your number only an estimate, but you're ignoring that
qualcomm imposes a steep royalty based on the price of the device.
Nobody forced Apple lawyers to _agree_ to sign that royalty deal, nospam.
*You always claim that Apple is stupid.*
*You always claim that Apple has no free will.*
*You always claim that Apple is only a follower of others.*
Why?
that means apple must pay qualcomm substantially more for an iphone 13
pro max 1tb versus a base model 64gb iphone se 2022, for the exact same
chip.
See above.
HINT: If Apple wasn't incompetent in 5G design, they'd have had leverage.
Bear in mind I have always predicted Apple will fail miserably in creating
a competitive 5G modem design, and so far, Apple _is_ failing miserably in that not only is their 5G modem _not_ competitive, it doesn't even exist!
*It's not shocking to me Apple has _never_ designed a best-in-class SOC.*
On 6/29/2022 6:46 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
nospam wrote:
The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds."
not only is your number only an estimate, but you're ignoring that
qualcomm imposes a steep royalty based on the price of the device.
Nobody forced Apple lawyers to _agree_ to sign that royalty deal, nospam.
*You always claim that Apple is stupid.*
*You always claim that Apple has no free will.*
*You always claim that Apple is only a follower of others.*
Why?
that means apple must pay qualcomm substantially more for an iphone 13
pro max 1tb versus a base model 64gb iphone se 2022, for the exact same
chip.
See above.
HINT: If Apple wasn't incompetent in 5G design, they'd have had leverage.
Bear in mind I have always predicted Apple will fail miserably in
creating
a competitive 5G modem design, and so far, Apple _is_ failing
miserably in
that not only is their 5G modem _not_ competitive, it doesn't even exist!
*It's not shocking to me Apple has _never_ designed a best-in-class SOC.*
Qualcomm modems are outstanding. Lets hope Apple fails forever in its attempts to move away from quality. A phone as expensive as iPhone
should only have the best modem and that means Qualcomm. Good news.
Qualcomm modems are outstanding. Lets hope Apple fails forever in its attempts to move away from quality. A phone as expensive as iPhone
should only have the best modem and that means Qualcomm. Good news.
On 2022-06-29 19:10, John wrote:
On 6/29/2022 6:46 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
nospam wrote:
The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds." >>>not only is your number only an estimate, but you're ignoring that
qualcomm imposes a steep royalty based on the price of the device.
Nobody forced Apple lawyers to _agree_ to sign that royalty deal, nospam. >>
*You always claim that Apple is stupid.*
*You always claim that Apple has no free will.*
*You always claim that Apple is only a follower of others.*
Why?
that means apple must pay qualcomm substantially more for an iphone 13 >>> pro max 1tb versus a base model 64gb iphone se 2022, for the exact same >>> chip.
See above.
HINT: If Apple wasn't incompetent in 5G design, they'd have had leverage. >>
Bear in mind I have always predicted Apple will fail miserably in
creating
a competitive 5G modem design, and so far, Apple _is_ failing
miserably in
that not only is their 5G modem _not_ competitive, it doesn't even exist! >>
*It's not shocking to me Apple has _never_ designed a best-in-class SOC.*
Qualcomm modems are outstanding. Lets hope Apple fails forever in its attempts to move away from quality. A phone as expensive as iPhoneThere was a time when the best processors weren't Apple's either...
should only have the best modem and that means Qualcomm. Good news.
...but things change.
The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds."
Even when Apple does have their own modem the cost doesn't go to zero,
there are still costs to fabricate the modem and there are still
royalties to pay to Qualcomm and others.
The bigger issue is that this delays integrating the modem into the
Bionic chip. The other ARM chipset manufacturers like Qualcomm,
Mediatek, and Samsung are already on their second or third generation of chipsets with integrated modems.
It would be a big savings in both money and space to be able to
integrate the iPhone Bionic chip and the Apple modem together. That's probably pushed out to the iPhone 17 or 18.
All the news people are quoting one guy
sms wrote:
The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds."
*This post contains adult content* (which will be unfathomable to iKooks).
I estimate only two or three regulars on this newsgroup can comprehend it.
It's hard to quantify the actual cost per iPhone because when Apple surrendered to Qualcomm, they paid enough to build and equip an entire aircraft carrier, complete with avionics, weapons, personnel & planes.
Suffice to say the poor hapless Apple consumer is paying for all that,
since Apple profits are still in the range of ungodly per iPhone.
Even when Apple does have their own modem the cost doesn't go to zero,
there are still costs to fabricate the modem and there are still
royalties to pay to Qualcomm and others.
Steve... I'm going to say something that an _adult_ would say, based on
what I know about Apple, and given you're a fellow EE, you can comprehend (let's hope) even as the ignorant low-IQ iKooks can't ever understand.
Apple _already_ designed that 5G modem (based on the evidence I have).
It's waiting to be shipped out right now (but it can't be shipped).
Do you have any inkling of _why_ Apple can't ship that existing 5G modem?
I do.
The bigger issue is that this delays integrating the modem into the
Bionic chip. The other ARM chipset manufacturers like Qualcomm,
Mediatek, and Samsung are already on their second or third generation
of chipsets with integrated modems.
Apple will be a decade behind _all_ of them in modem integration.
But that's not the biggest problem (although it's a big problem indeed).
It would be a big savings in both money and space to be able to
integrate the iPhone Bionic chip and the Apple modem together. That's
probably pushed out to the iPhone 17 or 18.
Very few people on this ng will be able to understand what I'm about to
say, which is the _reason_ Apple can't ship their existing modem
(AFAIK), is that their lawyers have told them they'd lose a battle with Qualcomm on
the _two_ most important patents which they have infringed upon.
Why do you think Apple is so _desperate_ to get those two patents anulled?
Those two patents expire in 2029, which is the date I predict Apple will _finally_ be able to ship their own modem without worrying about donating another aircraft carrier (complete with personnel & materiel) to Qualcomm.
On 2022-06-30 09:35, Andy Burnelli wrote:
sms wrote:
The X55 modem is estimated to cost Apple $90, which is not "hundreds."
*This post contains adult content* (which will be unfathomable to iKooks). I estimate only two or three regulars on this newsgroup can comprehend it.
It's hard to quantify the actual cost per iPhone because when Apple surrendered to Qualcomm, they paid enough to build and equip an entire aircraft carrier, complete with avionics, weapons, personnel & planes.
So it's "hard to quantify"...
...but then you implicitly claim you can quantify it.
In article <t9nql3$koh$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:
that the iPhones with Intel modems were always _slower_ than the iPhones
with the Qualcomm modems (until Apple secretly throttled them anyway).
that is false.
the *maximum* speed was slightly lower, however, it's not anything
anyone would ever reach in normal (or even not so normal) use.
in other words, there was no noticeable difference.
...but then you implicitly claim you can quantify it.
He's also trying to be highly dramatic about it.
The USS Gerald Ford has gotten a lot of heat for being the most expensive carrier to date for the US ... $13B. Add fifty F35s for roughly $5B more and
then a few $B more in miscellaneous...call it $20B.
Meantime, Apple has sold over 2.2 billion iPhones to date.
Simple division ... $20B/$2.2B ... means that the modem cost is under $10/unit.
Yeah man. Because people buy phones based on the brand of a particular
chip inside the phone.
In the case of the 7, 8, X, Xr, & Xs that is _exactly_ what happened in
many instances.
There were other issues with the Intel modems as well.
In any case, new information suggests that "failed" is _really_ not the
right word. It may be a legal issue, see <https://9to5mac.com/2022/06/30/apple-5g-chip-2/>.
-hh wrote:
...but then you implicitly claim you can quantify it.
He's also trying to be highly dramatic about it.
You're right about me trying to put Apple's surrender into perspective.
Remember, nobody spends _less_ than does Apple in their R&D spend, and even in sheer dollar amounts, _plenty_ of companies spend more than does Apple.
But what Apple outspends everyone else in, by far, is propaganda.
Which is why I put the surrender cost in terms of Ford class carriers.
I'm speaking to morons like you and Alan Baker, who don't understand basic concepts the way a normal adult would... which is why I quantify the surrender by Apple to Qualcomm as costing as much as a completely equipped Ford class aircraft carrier, _including_ all the sophisticated avionics, airplanes, materiel, and personnel.
That's how much a teeny tiny 5G modem is worth to a company like Apple who would have gone out of business if they weren't able to produce a 5G iPhone when they did.
Apple knew that.
It's _why_ Apple surrendered to Qualcomm.
You iKooks don't own the adult cognitive skills to comprehend it though.
(All nospam can do is complain that Qualcomm can design & Apple can't.)
The USS Gerald Ford has gotten a lot of heat for being the most expensive
carrier to date for the US ... $13B. Add fifty F35s for roughly $5B
more and
then a few $B more in miscellaneous...call it $20B.
Meantime, Apple has sold over 2.2 billion iPhones to date.
War is partly about propaganda, and always has been partly about that.
Apple is the worlds' master at propaganda.
People who can't separate fact from bullshit _believe_ what Apple says.
But people who own adult cognitive skills understand what Apple is.
Apple is about a decade behind almost everyone in terms of design.
Yet Apple is well ahead of everyone in terms of marketing propaganda.
Simple division ... $20B/$2.2B ... means that the modem cost is under
$10/unit.
Steve already showed that it's almost a hundred bucks alone for just the
X55 modem, "hh", which just proves again how _ignorant_ you iKooks really are.
It's no longer shocking that none of you iKooks owns an IQ even remotely close to normal, which is, after all, partly _why_ you're so strange.
You actually _believe_ Apple spends $10 per iPhone when just the one single part is almost a hundred bucks - which proves my point about you iKooks:
a. Your IQ is incredibly low
b. None of you have any education to speak of
c. And yet, you defend Apple to the death
Why?
I think I know why.
You iKooks gain most (if not all) of your self esteem from Apple ads.
On 2022-07-02 04:17, Andy Burnelli wrote:
-hh wrote:
...but then you implicitly claim you can quantify it.
He's also trying to be highly dramatic about it.
You're right about me trying to put Apple's surrender into perspective.
Remember, nobody spends _less_ than does Apple in their R&D spend, and
even
in sheer dollar amounts, _plenty_ of companies spend more than does
Apple.
False.
In sheer dollar amounts, only a few companies that spend more than Apple.
There are two references I can find from last year, and both of them
place Apple in at least the top 7 in total R&D spending, with one
placing them top 5.
On 2022-07-02 04:17, Andy Burnelli wrote:
-hh wrote:
...but then you implicitly claim you can quantify it.
He's also trying to be highly dramatic about it.
You're right about me trying to put Apple's surrender into
perspective.
Remember, nobody spends _less_ than does Apple in their R&D
spend, and even
in sheer dollar amounts, _plenty_ of companies spend more than
does Apple.
False.
In sheer dollar amounts, only a few companies that spend more than
Apple.
There are two references I can find from last year, and both of
them place Apple in at least the top 7 in total R&D spending, with
one placing them top 5.
<https://spendmenot.com/blog/top-rd-spenders/>
<https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/which-companies-spend-the-most-in-research-and-development-rd-2021-06-21>
But what Apple outspends everyone else in, by far, is propaganda.
Which is why I put the surrender cost in terms of Ford class
carriers.
Got any proof of that, Arlen?
I'm speaking to morons like you and Alan Baker, who don't
understand basic
concepts the way a normal adult would... which is why I quantify the
surrender by Apple to Qualcomm as costing as much as a completely
equipped
Ford class aircraft carrier, _including_ all the sophisticated
avionics,
airplanes, materiel, and personnel.
That's how much a teeny tiny 5G modem is worth to a company like
Apple who
would have gone out of business if they weren't able to produce a
5G iPhone
when they did.
Apple knew that.
It's _why_ Apple surrendered to Qualcomm.
You iKooks don't own the adult cognitive skills to comprehend it
though.
(All nospam can do is complain that Qualcomm can design & Apple
can't.)
The USS Gerald Ford has gotten a lot of heat for being the most
expensive
carrier to date for the US ... $13B. Add fifty F35s for
roughly $5B more and
then a few $B more in miscellaneous...call it $20B.
Meantime, Apple has sold over 2.2 billion iPhones to date.
War is partly about propaganda, and always has been partly about
that.
Apple is the worlds' master at propaganda.
Propaganda won't keep a product selling well for 15 years.
People who can't separate fact from bullshit _believe_ what Apple
says.
But people who own adult cognitive skills understand what Apple is.
Apple is about a decade behind almost everyone in terms of design.
Yet Apple is well ahead of everyone in terms of marketing
propaganda.
Simple division ... $20B/$2.2B ... means that the modem cost is
under $10/unit.
Steve already showed that it's almost a hundred bucks alone for
just the
X55 modem, "hh", which just proves again how _ignorant_ you
iKooks really
are.
It's no longer shocking that none of you iKooks owns an IQ even
remotely
close to normal, which is, after all, partly _why_ you're so
strange.
You actually _believe_ Apple spends $10 per iPhone when just the
one single
part is almost a hundred bucks - which proves my point about you
iKooks:
a. Your IQ is incredibly low
b. None of you have any education to speak of
c. And yet, you defend Apple to the death
Why?
I think I know why.
You iKooks gain most (if not all) of your self esteem from Apple
ads.
So you can't do simple arithmetic.
Got it.
True. And remember, the whole idea is leverage your R&D expenditures to create products that sell in huge volumes so the percentage of R&D
spending is lower, even though the absolute amount of R&D spending is large.
It would be foolish to increase R&D spending to some percentage of
revenue or profit without a valid reason.
sms wrote:
True. And remember, the whole idea is leverage your R&D expenditures
to create products that sell in huge volumes so the percentage of R&D
spending is lower, even though the absolute amount of R&D spending is
large.
It would be foolish to increase R&D spending to some percentage of
revenue or profit without a valid reason.
*The point is Apple is NOT a design powerhouse.*
The whole world knows this.
It's only the iKooks who don't know Apple sucks at chip design.
although it's easier to just use your link, only slightly more effort
is needed to uncover numerous other references that demonstrate what is
well known (and well hated) in the industry.
sms wrote:
True. And remember, the whole idea is leverage your R&D
expenditures to create products that sell in huge volumes so the
percentage of R&D spending is lower, even though the absolute
amount of R&D spending is large.
It would be foolish to increase R&D spending to some percentage of
revenue or profit without a valid reason.
*The point is Apple is NOT a design powerhouse.*
The whole world knows this. It's only the iKooks who don't know Apple
sucks at chip design.
On 2022-07-02 13:08, Andy Burnelli wrote:
sms wrote:
True. And remember, the whole idea is leverage your R&D
expenditures to create products that sell in huge volumes so the
percentage of R&D spending is lower, even though the absolute
amount of R&D spending is large.
It would be foolish to increase R&D spending to some percentage of
revenue or profit without a valid reason.
*The point is Apple is NOT a design powerhouse.*
So when you're wrong on the facts we should believe your opinions...
...why exactly?
The whole world knows this. It's only the iKooks who don't know Apple
sucks at chip design.
Until recently, you insisted that Apple didn't do chip design at all.
Wrong on the facts... ...again.
Plus it was "expected" only by idiots in the media, Wall Street, and 'leakers' (and moronic anti-Apple trolls in Usenet newsgroups). I don't recall Apple itself making any such announcement and they almost never publicly discuss future products.
Your Name wrote:
Plus it was "expected" only by idiots in the media, Wall Street, and
'leakers' (and moronic anti-Apple trolls in Usenet newsgroups). I
don't recall Apple itself making any such announcement and they almost
never publicly discuss future products.
It was _Apple_ who claimed they'd have a 5G modem out in late 2023, Your Name.
It's no longer shocking that low-IQ ikooks like Your Name fabricate that "anti Apple people" would be claiming that Apple would make a modem sooner than it is possible for Apple to do it.
That's ridiculous.
*Apple _sucks_ at IC design.*
Hence... *Apple will _never_ produce a competitive 5G modem.*
Apple never has.
Apple never will.
Hell, Apple has _never_ even _integrated_ an _existing_ 5G modem.
Worse, the _soonest_ Apple can even produce amy 5G modem is in 2030.
By then, Apple will be a decade behind everyone else who makes 5G modems.
Your Name wrote:
Plus it was "expected" only by idiots in the media, Wall Street, and
'leakers' (and moronic anti-Apple trolls in Usenet newsgroups). I don't
recall Apple itself making any such announcement and they almost never
publicly discuss future products.
It was _Apple_ who claimed they'd have a 5G modem out in late 2023, Your Name.
On 2 Jul 2022 at 9:24:14 PM, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
Apple spends more on R&D than all but a handful of companies.
Your own link showed Samsung spends 50% more in total R&D than Apple.
https://spendmenot.com/blog/top-rd-spenders/
Apple's smartphone revenue was 272% of Samsung's smartphone revenue in 2021 but Samsung outspent Apple by 150% in total R&D dollars. https://www.telecomlead.com/smart-phone/smartphone-revenue-of-apple-vs-samsung-103669
That means Samsung outspends Apple in R&D using every common metric you can think of, which is maybe why Samsung was the first to ship a 5G modem integrated into a smartphone and also it's probably why Samsung hardware is always better than Apple hardware on an equivalent cost comparison).
-hh wrote:
...but then you implicitly claim you can quantify it.
He's also trying to be highly dramatic about it...
Remember, nobody spends _less_ than does Apple in their R&D spend, and even in sheer dollar amounts, _plenty_ of companies spend more than does Apple.
But what Apple outspends everyone else in, by far, is propaganda.
Which is why I put the surrender cost in terms of Ford class carriers.
I'm speaking to morons like you and Alan Baker, who don't understand basic concepts the way a normal adult would... which is why I quantify the surrender by Apple to Qualcomm as costing as much as a completely equipped Ford class aircraft carrier, _including_ all the sophisticated avionics, airplanes, materiel, and personnel.
That's how much a teeny tiny 5G modem is worth to a company like Apple who would have gone out of business if they weren't able to produce a 5G iPhone when they did.
Apple knew that.
It's _why_ Apple surrendered to Qualcomm.
The USS Gerald Ford has gotten a lot of heat for being the most expensive carrier to date for the US ... $13B. Add fifty F35s for roughly $5B more and
then a few $B more in miscellaneous...call it $20B.
Meantime, Apple has sold over 2.2 billion iPhones to date.
War is partly about propaganda, and always has been partly about that.
Apple is the worlds' master at propaganda.
Simple division ... $20B/$2.2B ... means that the modem cost is under $10/unit.
Steve already showed that it's almost a hundred bucks alone for just the
X55 modem, "hh", which just proves again how _ignorant_ you iKooks really are.
You actually _believe_ Apple spends $10 per iPhone when just the one single part is almost a hundred bucks...
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