The usual anti-Apple troll bollocks. Try updating an old mobile device
to the latest Android ... can't be done.
Try updating an old computer
to the latest Windows ... can't be done.
Every OS developer on Earth eventually drops support for old devices,
no matter how many people are still using them.
Wade Garrett wrote:
Gave up on Android phones several years back after several of the
fairly recent model nice ones I had couldn't be OS updated.
What these low IQ uneducated iKooks don't comprehend is the _adult_ concept of a layered update mechanism, which the primitive iOS monolith lacks.
Hence every other operating system supports devices far longer than iOS.
For example, the Android default browser run on almost every Android.
So does the Android default messenger.
As does the Android default dialer.
etc.
And system updates are now down for all Android phones over the Internet. Note the carrier is no longer involved (even for firmware updates!)
As such, Android is updated essentially forever (there is no EOL date).
By way of contrast with the stone-age laughably primitive iOS monolith...
 *iOS... it just dies*
Gave up on Android phones several years back after several of the fairly recent model nice ones I had couldn't be OS updated.
The resident Apple-hating troll...
the 6s is 7 years old. that's a long time to keep a phone.
As such, Android is updated essentially forever (there is no EOL date).
As such, Android is updated essentially forever (there is no EOL date).
as such, you are lying again.
On 2022-08-05, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2022-08-05, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-08-04 17:14, Andy Burnelli wrote:
My desktop was built in 2008 and it runs the key Windows 10 apps
just fine.
My point is clearly that you iKooks don't realize this fundamental
fact: *Apple kills off their operating systems sooner than anyone
else.*
Computers and smartphones are different devices, and computers
haven't changed nearly as much since 2008 as smartphones have.
iOS 15 supports iPhones back to the iPhone 6s...
...which was released nearly 7 years ago.
What is the oldest Android phone supported by the most current
version of Android, hmmm?
One example: The HTC Dream was released in 2008 as the first device
to use the Android operating system, and can't run anything past
Android *1.6* (Donut): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Dream> For
those keeping track, the current Android release is Android *12*
which was released on October 4, 2021.
The resident Apple-hating troll, Andy (Arlen), reeeeally wants you
to ignore this FACT. ; )
What is consistent about iKooks is they fear facts more than anything
else.
What's clear is that Jolly Roger is _completely clueless_ how Android
(and all modern operating systems) are updated... in layers...
essentially forever.
Which is why the default Android browser works on almost all Android
phones, as does the default Android messenger, as does the default
Android YouTube app, as does the default Android map app, as does the
default Android phone dialer, as do _all_ the default Android apps.
Unlike iOS...
These low IQ completely uneducated iKooks only know what Apple feeds
them. They're completely unaware almost all of Android is updated
over the web.
Heck... they're clueless that even the firmware is now updated that
way.
As such, Android is updated essentially forever (there is no EOL
date). By way of contrast with the stone-age laughably primitive iOS monolith...
*iOS... it just dies*
Facts... are what I do not have and never have had.
Your Name wrote:
The usual anti-Apple troll bollocks. Try updating an old mobile device
to the latest Android ... can't be done.
The fact remains a fact that Apple kills operating systems sooner than
any other maker of common consumer operating systems...
Such that... *Apple products just die on you.*
You _hate_ the fact Apple products have the shortest support lifecycle.
But the fact you hate that fact doesn't change the fact it's a fact.
Try updating an old computer to the latest Windows ... can't be done.
My desktop is from 2008 and, as such, it has had _many_ versions of Windows on it since then, and currently it runs Windows 10 just fine.
By way of stark contrast, due to the stone-age iOS monolithic design and Apple marketing strategy of killing off its old products, try to run a
modern iOS on an Apple device from that same time frame.
Note the _adult_ observation: It can't be done.
Why not?
Because Apple kills off their operating systems sooner than anyone else.
Every OS developer on Earth eventually drops support for old devices,
no matter how many people are still using them.
My desktop was built in 2008 and it runs the key Windows 10 apps just fine.
My point is clearly that you iKooks don't realize this fundamental fact: *Apple kills off their operating systems sooner than anyone else.*
Yet Win 11 is not made for PCs older than about three years old. Won't
even let you install unless you apply a hack.
ftfy
Then of course there's the fact that MacOS upgrades are free, while you
have to pay to be a Windoze fool.
snips pertinent quoted text from his replies
and hatred of Apple forces him to refuse to acknowledge factual
discourse here. Just lame!
What is clear is that no matter how many words Arlen throws at the wall,
he can't change the FACT that many Android smartphones CANNOT AND WILL
NEVER run the latest version of Android
which is why he tries to move
the goal post below to talk abut apps instead of the operating system.
He'll do *anything* to avoid acknowledging FACTS that disagree with his
LIES.
He's a pathetic and useless troll who spends his every waking
moment trolling the Apple news groups due to his irrational and
obsessive hatred of all things Apple.
He serves no actual useful purpose
on this planet. He lives a life of pure hatred and anger.
He's a piece
of shit human being who is a net negative to society. He's a pathetic
fucking turd. : )
BLAH BLAH BLAH... Just *desperately* trying to move the goal posts.
*Anything* but acknowledging the FACT that many Android devices CANNOT and WILL NEVER run the latest Android OS. : )
LIES are all poor, little Arlen has. He DESPERATELY wants you to ignore
the FACT that iOS devices DO NOT "just die" after Apple stops supporting
them with major OS upgrades, and many of them remain useful for YEARS afterward. ; )
Doesn't that make him a genius?
it does not.
These days all operating systems are simply adding more and more useless/niche gimmickry that 99% of users don't ever use. They should
instead be concentrting on fixing all the bugs (many that have existed
for years) and making the OS more efficient. Anyone who actually wants
any of the gimmickry can add it as an App Store extra.
Why do you hate the fact that only Apple products kill off the operatingI hate the fact that worthless trolls like you kill off informative discussion and ruin threads sooner than any other loser basement dweller
system sooner than any other common consumer operating system out there?
with internet access. You˘ve effectively destroyed this newsgroup. Proud of yourself for that?
like sour milk, phones should have an odor so you know it needs to be discarded.
Jolly Roger wrote:
What is clear is that no matter how many words Arlen throws at the
wall, he can't change the FACT that many Android smartphones CANNOT
AND WILL NEVER run the latest version of Android
FACT #6: Windows 10 blah blah blah...
On iOS... *everything just dies*
LIES are all poor, little Arlen has. He DESPERATELY wants you to
ignore the FACT that iOS devices DO NOT "just die" after Apple stops
supporting them with major OS upgrades, and many of them remain
useful for YEARS afterward. ; )
Note how Arlen *desperately* tries to move the goalpost to desktop
operating systems when confronted with the FACT that many Android
smartphones CANNOT AND WILL NEVER run the latest version of Android.
Remember... I'm on this newsgroup for _two_ reasons:
Remember... I'm on this newsgroup for _two_ reasons:
trolling and lying.
*The result is there is no operating system with a _shorter life_ - than iOS.*
The apps in iOS _are_ the operating system.
nope. that is very much false, and is not unique to ios either.
go learn about what an operating system and apps actually are before
you dig yourself an even deeper hole.
Meanwhile, a PC from circa 2005 runs Windows 10 just fine,
no it doesn't
*The result is there is no operating system with a _shorter life_ - than iOS.*
windows phone says hello.
microsoft kin says howzit.
beos says bonjour.
palm os says aloha.
amiga os says hola.
very few features appear on android first. the vast majority of
features appear on ios first and later on android, if ever.
On my older flagship Android devices there are no upgrades to the latest Android version, but they are still receiving security updates. My Note
9 shipped with Android 8 and received two updates and is now at Android
10, and won't get Android 11 or future new Android versions. But it gets security updates, the most recent one was pushed out in June 2022, so
the device is still supported.
The only people comparing them are you and your troll buddies. The rest
of us couldn't care less because we don't have unhealthy obsessions and irrational hatred of other operating systems or platform.
Andie-boy, you remind me of a guy who hates his hometown team but can't
stay away from the ballpark where he regularly shows up to boo them and
yell invectives...
very few features appear on android first. the vast majority of
features appear on ios first and later on android, if ever.
How long did it take for iOS to include even a rudimentary app drawer?
What about default app selection nospam?
And, um, er., when is IOS gonna get the ability to change the launcher?
The list is almost endless what Android has and what iOS can't do,
Wade Garrett wrote:
Andie-boy, you remind me of a guy who hates his hometown team but
can't stay away from the ballpark where he regularly shows up to boo
them and yell invectives...
Hi Wade,
Why can't you respond to the _facts_ instead of playing childish games?
The facts are that only Apple operating systems die on you such that you
can no longer update the default apps to the latest version on iOS.
That's just a fact.
It's a fact you _hate_ perhaps.
But the fact you hate that fact doesn't change the fact that fact is a
fact.
*No other common consumer operating system _just dies_ like iOS does*
The adult question is why.
Are you an adult Wade?
Or a child?
Do you have an adult point of view Wade?
Or only that of a child?
Given you the benefit of the doubt, here's an adult question for you Wade: *Why can't an older iOS update the default apps to the latest version*
*like all other common consumer operating systems habitually do?*
How long did it take for iOS to include even a rudimentary app drawer?
What about default app selection nospam?
And, um, er., when is IOS gonna get the ability to change the launcher?
almost nobody cares about any of those.
meanwhile, you snipped the lengthy list of things ios had first, and
that list isn't even complete.
many times, if they do appear on android, the implementation is not as
good, notably bluetooth le, which took several *years* until android bluetooth le caught up to where apple had been.
The level of unhappiness and hatred to cause this behavior must truly be hellish. And he does this to himself *willingly*. His existence is just pathetic.
Sure thing guy...you've reaffirmed my point. Give it a rest ;-)
Nobody who is an adult disputes the fact that Apple came up with a _lot_ of >> nice features for the mobile phone audience that the Android market copied.
except for you and the other resident troll, which means by your own
metric, you are both children.
Certainly I won't dispute that fact because only a fool disputes facts.
then by your own metric, you are also a fool.
Most of the examples you gave are bullshit (or more accurately, trademarked >> marketed silly gimmicks); but some of the examples you provided were fair.
all of them were fair.
Some were dead wrong (e.g., Apple Pay),
apple pay was not mentioned,
however, i'm glad you mentioned that,
because apple pay did predate google pay (previously android pay) by a
few years. thanks for mentioning something that i forgot to include.
what was mentioned was apply pay later, a new feature that's *part* of
apple pay and not currently available with google pay. it lets people
split a larger purchase into four interest-free payments over a six
week period, thus the name 'later'.
another feature in the list is tap to pay, which lets the iphone owner *accept* contactless payments from others, and not just from other
iphones using apple pay, but also from android phones via google pay or
just tapping a contactless card. that means that just about anyone can
now accept credit/debit card payments, even a kid mowing lawns.
What you did is what you low-IQ no-education iKooks _always_ do, which was >> you brainlessly cut and pasted off the Internet a bullshit list (e.g.,
"sign-in with apple"... WTF?) that had no meaning whatsoever, even to you.
sign-in with apple is a way to sign in to web sites without the web
site knowing anything about you, since all they get is a unique and
cryptic apple email that forwards to your actual email, which is kept
hidden from said web site, something that a paranoid individual like
you would want.
it's a feature android does not have. it's that simple.
You actually think if we see a long list of trademark bullshit that we'll
be duly "impressed" at all the great bullshit gimmicks Apple decided to
name spending more researching the name than R&D creating the product.
almost none of what was listed is trademarked,
and that's irrelevant anyway.
Nobody who is an adult disputes the fact that Apple came up with a _lot_ of nice features for the mobile phone audience that the Android market copied.
Certainly I won't dispute that fact because only a fool disputes facts.
Most of the examples you gave are bullshit (or more accurately, trademarked marketed silly gimmicks); but some of the examples you provided were fair.
Some were dead wrong (e.g., Apple Pay),
What you did is what you low-IQ no-education iKooks _always_ do, which was you brainlessly cut and pasted off the Internet a bullshit list (e.g., "sign-in with apple"... WTF?) that had no meaning whatsoever, even to you.
You actually think if we see a long list of trademark bullshit that we'll
be duly "impressed" at all the great bullshit gimmicks Apple decided to
name spending more researching the name than R&D creating the product.
On 8/7/22 3:16 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:<snip>
Wade Garrett wrote:
Andie-boy, you remind me of a guy who hates his hometown team but can't
stay away from the ballpark where he regularly shows up to boo them and
yell invectives...
Hi Wade,
Why can't you respond to the _facts_ instead of playing childish games?
The facts are that only Apple operating systems die on you such that you
can no longer update the default apps to the latest version on iOS.
Only a fool disputes facts.
But I'm not stupid nospam.
Some were dead wrong (e.g., Apple Pay),
apple pay was not mentioned,
however, i'm glad you mentioned that,
because apple pay did predate google pay (previously android pay) by a
few years. thanks for mentioning something that i forgot to include.
Bullshit. Android had electronic payment well before Apple did,
Android has electronic payment. Apple has electronic payment.
Android is better in some ways. Apple is better in some ways.
another feature in the list is tap to pay, which lets the iphone owner *accept* contactless payments from others, and not just from other
iphones using apple pay, but also from android phones via google pay or just tapping a contactless card. that means that just about anyone can
now accept credit/debit card payments, even a kid mowing lawns.
Again, your entire argument is based on Apple's marketing bullshit.
First off, if it requires 2FA,
you don't seem to own the adult comprehensive skills to know that Apple refuses to allow you to _ever_ turn 2FA off once you set it up (after the short grace period expires).
Try running the latest version of Microsoft's Edge web browser on
Windows 3.0 computer.
As usual, the moronic troll, having been proven wrong, now changes his fictional nonsense to yet more brainless crap.
Try running the latest version of Microsoft's Edge web browser on
Windows 3.0 computer. Try running the latest version of whatever crappy Android web browser on an Android 1.0 mobile device.
Try running the latest version of Microsoft's Edge web browser on
Windows 3.0 computer.
no need to go back that far. it doesn't work on early win10 versions.
Windows 10
will still work just fine on desktops built before iOS even existed.
Again, your entire argument is based on Apple's marketing bullshit.
it's not marketing bullshit. tap to pay is an extremely useful feature,
one that you clearly don't understand.
First off, if it requires 2FA,
you don't seem to own the adult comprehensive skills to know that Apple
refuses to allow you to _ever_ turn 2FA off once you set it up (after the
short grace period expires).
good thing google doesn't do that.
note that google is *forcefully* *transitioning* users.
In article <tcpe4s$1vpt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:
Windows 10
will still work just fine on desktops built before iOS even existed.
no it doesn't. at best it's very, very slow and not the latest version either.
15 year old pcs no longer get win10 updates, stopping around 1903 or so
(give or take), which has been eol'ed and is no longer supported by microsoft.
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-190 3-end-of-servicing>
Windows 10, version 1903 will reach the end of service on December 8,
2020.
In article <tcpe4s$1vpt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:
Windows 10
will still work just fine on desktops built before iOS even existed.
no it doesn't. at best it's very, very slow and not the latest version either.
15 year old pcs no longer get win10 updates, stopping around 1903 or so
(give or take), which has been eol'ed and is no longer supported by microsoft.
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-190 3-end-of-servicing>
Windows 10, version 1903 will reach the end of service on December 8,
2020.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <tcpe4s$1vpt$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy BurnelliServer hiccups.
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:
Windows 10
will still work just fine on desktops built before iOS even existed.
no it doesn't. at best it's very, very slow and not the latest version
either.
15 year old pcs no longer get win10 updates, stopping around 1903 or so
(give or take), which has been eol'ed and is no longer supported by
microsoft.
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/announcements/windows-10-190
3-end-of-servicing>
Windows 10, version 1903 will reach the end of service on December 8,
2020.
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