On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished 1.5
seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one percent.

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Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

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On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished 1.5
seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one percent.

A freshly overhauled Kent done by an elite shop and otherwise in top form car and a top driver can compete against Honda. BUT, my question is how many SCCBC FF Kents meet that criteria? Why are there not more Kent-powered cars in these top level races?
Because the Honda does not require expensive routine maintenance to be competitive. ERGO, defined broadly, the Kent is not competitive. That's why it's the only Kent in the race.

And, the 2021 results show it too:

https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/058/920/FF%20Runoffs2021%20Race%20Official.pdf?1633281509

Top Kent finished 19th 1:48 behind. That's a 3.6% difference.

Again, you take an outlier and generalize to a population.

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On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished 1.5
seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one percent.

My error, there were 2 Kents there. Of course, you failed to mention in your comments that the other Kent qualified poorly and finished dead last in 11th, 3 laps back.

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On 2022-10-03 06:48, Thomas E. wrote:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the
FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished
1.5 seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one
percent.

A freshly overhauled Kent done by an elite shop and otherwise in top
form car and a top driver can compete against Honda. BUT, my question
is how many SCCBC FF Kents meet that criteria? Why are there not more Kent-powered cars in these top level races? Because the Honda does
not require expensive routine maintenance to be competitive. ERGO,
defined broadly, the Kent is not competitive. That's why it's the
only Kent in the race.

And, the 2021 results show it too:

https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/058/920/FF%20Runoffs2021%20Race%20Official.pdf?1633281509

Top Kent finished 19th 1:48 behind. That's a 3.6% difference.

Again, you take an outlier and generalize to a population.

You keep forgetting what your argument was, you little shit.

Your argument was that I'm only fast because Hondas are faster ON THE
TRACK. But what you've now admitted is that a well-prepared Kent is as
fast as a Honda (did you notice that Nolan Allaer set the second-fastest
lap time? No... ...of course not).

But Hondas aren't faster ON THE TRACK. As has been explained to you
numerous times now, the advantages they offer are sufficient that top
teams want to use them even though they offer no on track advantage.

I pointed out numerous racers who all said that, and you chose to
believe that you knew better than all of them, just like the know-it-all
little shit you are.

Well here's the 411 for Mission, little shit:

The lap record is held by a fast driver driving a fresh Loyning (number
1 or 2 Kent builder on the planet) in a car professionally prepped for
him...

..and my best time is only 3/10 of a second (less than one half of one
percent) slower than his.

Given that the potential performance of both cars are essentially equal
(down to the fact that this particular Loyning installation has been
tuned for the low-end torque our track requires)...

..how does that square with your claim that I'm somehow a mediocre
driver at best, you little shit?

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On 2022-10-03 06:48, Thomas E. wrote:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the FF race. >>
So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished 1.5
seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one percent.

A freshly overhauled Kent done by an elite shop and otherwise in top form car and a top driver can compete against Honda. BUT, my question is how many SCCBC FF Kents meet that criteria? Why are there not more Kent-powered cars in these top level races?

Because the Honda does not require expensive routine maintenance to be competitive. ERGO, defined broadly, the Kent is not competitive. That's why it's the only Kent in the race.

And, the 2021 results show it too:

https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/058/920/FF%20Runoffs2021%20Race%20Official.pdf?1633281509

Top Kent finished 19th 1:48 behind. That's a 3.6% difference.

Again, you take an outlier and generalize to a population.

From the owner of the car that finished second this year (Greg Rice),
writing 8 years ago:

'Who says there is a parity issue?

Any legitimate analysis and testing would probably result in a larger restrictor on the Hondas.

When the fastest Kent in the country is a 20+ year old car, how are you supposed to draw any meaningful conclusions other than those two dozen well-developed apples are more successful than those few old lonely
oranges.'

FYI, the restrictor in 2014 was precisely the same size as it is today:
30.5mm

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On 2022-10-03 06:58, Thomas E. wrote:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the
FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished
1.5 seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one
percent.

My error, there were 2 Kents there. Of course, you failed to mention
in your comments that the other Kent qualified poorly and finished
dead last in 11th, 3 laps back.

Wow.

Little shit: do you ever bother to learn about anything before you start pontificating?

Do you note the "#" next to his number of laps, little shit?

Did it occur to you to perhaps discover WHY there was a "#" next to his
number of laps, Little Shit?

It wouldn't have been hard. Just read to the bottom of the page:

"# - not running at finish"

So, Little Shit, he only completed 11 laps because he had some kind of
problem. Given that the conditions were extremely wet, the most likely
answer is driver error. And give that it was actually a two-car incident
that resulted in him going nose first into the tire barriers, I'm pretty
sure that is the answer.

And to give you a little perspective, Little Shit, before he suffered
whatever took him out of the race, he was running in 10th: that would be
in front of two Hondas still running (not counting my friend Jay
Messenger who took himself out of the race on the opening lap).

And none of this negates the fact that the third place finisher (Nolan
Allaer) was in a Kent...

..and that that car's best lap was better than all but the (very
talented) young driver who won the race (Jonathan Kotyk).

You might want to ask yourself why a young racer with enough backing to
bring any car to the Runoffs we liked would have chosen to race a Kent.

But that would have taken some thought.

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On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 3:37:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-10-03 06:58, Thomas E. wrote:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was the
FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent finished
1.5 seconds behind the winner. That's less than one tenth of one
percent.

My error, there were 2 Kents there. Of course, you failed to mention
in your comments that the other Kent qualified poorly and finished
dead last in 11th, 3 laps back.

Wow.

Little shit: do you ever bother to learn about anything before you start pontificating?

Do you note the "#" next to his number of laps, little shit?

Did it occur to you to perhaps discover WHY there was a "#" next to his number of laps, Little Shit?

It wouldn't have been hard. Just read to the bottom of the page:

"# - not running at finish"

So, Little Shit, he only completed 11 laps because he had some kind of problem. Given that the conditions were extremely wet, the most likely answer is driver error. And give that it was actually a two-car incident that resulted in him going nose first into the tire barriers, I'm pretty sure that is the answer.

And to give you a little perspective, Little Shit, before he suffered whatever took him out of the race, he was running in 10th: that would be
in front of two Hondas still running (not counting my friend Jay
Messenger who took himself out of the race on the opening lap).

And none of this negates the fact that the third place finisher (Nolan Allaer) was in a Kent...

..and that that car's best lap was better than all but the (very
talented) young driver who won the race (Jonathan Kotyk).

You might want to ask yourself why a young racer with enough backing to bring any car to the Runoffs we liked would have chosen to race a Kent.

But that would have taken some thought.

Changes nothing. He was running 10th, NOT competitive.

Admitted the Kent can keep up with a Honda if it's in tip-top form. But that's expensive you admit.

The Kent as a class of engines is no longer competitive. That's why drivers (incluging you) in the U.S. and Canada have moved to Honda. Even in England the Kent has been abandoned and replaced by more modern Ford engines in the newer Formula 4 series.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Formula_Ford_Championship

Major event race results in the last 5 years include few, if any, Kent winners. Drivers choose Honda because they win races.

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On 2022-10-06 08:16, Thomas E. wrote:

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 3:37:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-10-03 06:58, Thomas E. wrote:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was
the FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent
finished 1.5 seconds behind the winner. That's less than one
tenth of one percent.

My error, there were 2 Kents there. Of course, you failed to
mention in your comments that the other Kent qualified poorly and
finished dead last in 11th, 3 laps back.

Wow.

Little shit: do you ever bother to learn about anything before you
start pontificating?

Do you note the "#" next to his number of laps, little shit?

Did it occur to you to perhaps discover WHY there was a "#" next to
his number of laps, Little Shit?

It wouldn't have been hard. Just read to the bottom of the page:

"# - not running at finish"

So, Little Shit, he only completed 11 laps because he had some kind
of problem. Given that the conditions were extremely wet, the most
likely answer is driver error. And give that it was actually a
two-car incident that resulted in him going nose first into the
tire barriers, I'm pretty sure that is the answer.

And to give you a little perspective, Little Shit, before he
suffered whatever took him out of the race, he was running in 10th:
that would be in front of two Hondas still running (not counting my
friend Jay Messenger who took himself out of the race on the
opening lap).

And none of this negates the fact that the third place finisher
(Nolan Allaer) was in a Kent...

..and that that car's best lap was better than all but the (very
talented) young driver who won the race (Jonathan Kotyk).

You might want to ask yourself why a young racer with enough
backing to bring any car to the Runoffs we liked would have chosen
to race a Kent.

But that would have taken some thought.

Changes nothing. He was running 10th, NOT competitive.

10th among the best FFs in the country isn't competitive, Little Shit?

Admitted the Kent can keep up with a Honda if it's in tip-top form.
But that's expensive you admit.

The Kent as a class of engines is no longer competitive. That's why
drivers (incluging you) in the U.S. and Canada have moved to Honda.
Even in England the Kent has been abandoned and replaced by more
modern Ford engines in the newer Formula 4 series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Formula_Ford_Championship

Major event race results in the last 5 years include few, if any,
Kent winners. Drivers choose Honda because they win races.

As usual, you want to move away from your claim that I'm only
competitive at Mission because I have a Honda when I have demonstrated
that I'm pretty much exactly as fast as a "tip-top" Kent-engined car
there...

Care to explain, you Little Shit?

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On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 11:34:30 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-10-06 08:16, Thomas E. wrote:

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 3:37:01 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-10-03 06:58, Thomas E. wrote:

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:49:54 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:

On 2022-09-30 17:39, Alan wrote:

Really?

At the SCCA Runoffs, the third fastest car...

..is a Kent.

<https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/064/490/FF%20Runoffs2022%20Race%20Official.pdf?1664562563>

My mistake!

I thought this was qualifying being it's Friday, but this was
the FF race.

So after a race of 14 laps and 33 minutes...

..an "noncompetitive" (according the little shit) Kent
finished 1.5 seconds behind the winner. That's less than one
tenth of one percent.

My error, there were 2 Kents there. Of course, you failed to
mention in your comments that the other Kent qualified poorly and
finished dead last in 11th, 3 laps back.

Wow.

Little shit: do you ever bother to learn about anything before you
start pontificating?

Do you note the "#" next to his number of laps, little shit?

Did it occur to you to perhaps discover WHY there was a "#" next to
his number of laps, Little Shit?

It wouldn't have been hard. Just read to the bottom of the page:

"# - not running at finish"

So, Little Shit, he only completed 11 laps because he had some kind
of problem. Given that the conditions were extremely wet, the most
likely answer is driver error. And give that it was actually a
two-car incident that resulted in him going nose first into the
tire barriers, I'm pretty sure that is the answer.

And to give you a little perspective, Little Shit, before he
suffered whatever took him out of the race, he was running in 10th:
that would be in front of two Hondas still running (not counting my
friend Jay Messenger who took himself out of the race on the
opening lap).

And none of this negates the fact that the third place finisher
(Nolan Allaer) was in a Kent...

..and that that car's best lap was better than all but the (very
talented) young driver who won the race (Jonathan Kotyk).

You might want to ask yourself why a young racer with enough
backing to bring any car to the Runoffs we liked would have chosen
to race a Kent.

But that would have taken some thought.

Changes nothing. He was running 10th, NOT competitive.

10th among the best FFs in the country isn't competitive, Little Shit?

Admitted the Kent can keep up with a Honda if it's in tip-top form.
But that's expensive you admit.

The Kent as a class of engines is no longer competitive. That's why
drivers (incluging you) in the U.S. and Canada have moved to Honda.
Even in England the Kent has been abandoned and replaced by more
modern Ford engines in the newer Formula 4 series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Formula_Ford_Championship

Major event race results in the last 5 years include few, if any,
Kent winners. Drivers choose Honda because they win races.

As usual, you want to move away from your claim that I'm only
competitive at Mission because I have a Honda when I have demonstrated
that I'm pretty much exactly as fast as a "tip-top" Kent-engined car
there...

Care to explain, you Little Shit?

Yes I can. Not all Kents at SCCBC are in the great shape that teams/drivers typically bring to high-level events.

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On 2022-10-11 14:13, Thomas E. wrote:

As usual, you want to move away from your claim that I'm only
competitive at Mission because I have a Honda when I have demonstrated
that I'm pretty much exactly as fast as a "tip-top" Kent-engined car
there...

Care to explain, you Little Shit?

Yes I can. Not all Kents at SCCBC are in the great shape that teams/drivers typically bring to high-level events.

Except your convenient lie of omission leaves out that I'm basically
even with the driver who holds the FF lap record:

Doug Floer...

...in a professionally prepared car...

...with a fresh Loyning engine...

...one carefully optimized for our track with low speed corners.

Explain that, you little shit.

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