Gen Z is key to Apple's dominance, according to a new report - which
says that fear of being "the green bubble guy"' in group chats is a
key motivation.
That report is suspect right off the bat since it tries to minimize the
real reasons why people prefer iMessage over SMS messages with a false
claim of supposed "fear of bubbles".
The fact is iMessage offers better
security, reliability, and usability than SMS as well as much more
messaging functionality, and that is why most people prefer it. The fact
that it's built into every Apple device as a default app/service is also
a huge bonus for Apple's customers.
"iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to
iPhone families giving their kids Android phones," said Federighi in a
lawsuit deposition.
Today's report suggests that Apple wouldn't hold the Gen Z dominance
it does had that decision not been made.
Smart move then. Apple-only features and services are what sells Apple hardware, and Apple is naturally more aware of that than anyone.
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the least educated
Jolly Roger wrote:
Gen Z is key to Apple's dominance, according to a new report - which
says that fear of being "the green bubble guy"' in group chats is a
key motivation.
That report is suspect right off the bat since it tries to minimize
the real reasons why people prefer iMessage over SMS messages with a
false claim of supposed "fear of bubbles".
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated, the least technical and by far the most impressionable
of all.
blah blah blah uneducated and ignorant blah blah
blah blah ignorant iKook blah blah blah
blah uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKook blah blah blah
In article <tt6bl8$2sq6i$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated
send them photos of books.
In article <tt6bl8$2sq6i$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the least >> educated
send them photos of books.
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated
send them photos of books.
That'll learn 'em!
Apple marketing (brilliantly) appeals to the lowest class of people.
Low class people like Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Lewis, Jolly Roger et al.
That's just an educated observation and assessment of fact.
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated
send them photos of books.
That'll learn 'em!
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're
the least educated
send them photos of books.
That'll learn 'em!
Apple marketing (brilliantly) appeals to the lowest class of people.
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated, the least technical and by far the most impressionable
of all.
Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your own
family members over something as trivial as the smartphone they happen
to use...
And the insults continue:
Jolly Roger wrote:
Insults are...
Why do you consider me asking you to back up your claims, an insult.
Or the fact that anyone who buys a phone for "colored bubbles" is a
fool?
It's not my fault Apple clearly markets to the proletariat, Jolly
Roger.
anyone who dares to talk about the
beneficial and valued aspects of iMessage
You forget I own _both_ platforms, Jolly Roger.
So I'm aware of how primitive the walled garden iMessage truly is.
and why people prefer it over alternatives.
There are no alternatives inside the walled garden Jolly Roger.
How could you be ignorant of something as basic as that for iOS?
He even insults his own family for daring to use Apple products.
I have no problem communicating with iPhone owners.
But then again, I don't care what color I set my conversations to.
Unlike the primitive iOS messaging app, I have full control of the
colors.
Do you?
HINT: iMessage is so primitive, you have no control over the colors.
Worse, you have no control over the default app in the walled garden.
He slings insults because it's all he's got. Sad.
You consider it an insult, Jolly Roger, that I don't believe your
lies.
It's clear you've never used a modern Android phone in your entire
life.
All you know is iOS.
And, more to the point, you _hate_ Apple markets to low class people.
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated, the least technical and by far the most
impressionable of all.
Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your own
family members over something as trivial as the smartphone they
happen to use...
Hehhehheh...
You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
And the insults continue:
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in
your entire life
Insults are...
anyone who dares to talk about the
beneficial and valued aspects of iMessage
and why people prefer it over alternatives.
He even insults his own family for daring to use Apple products.
He slings insults because it's all he's got. Sad.
Hehhehheh...
Weak laugh you got there.
You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All I
did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was "fabricated".
But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple products.
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in
your entire life
Wrong.
Jolly Roger wrote:
Hehhehheh...
Weak laugh you got there.
Let's put it bluntly that I'm here to explain to you that anyone who buys a phone because of the color of the bubbles... is... um... er... ah... what?
What would _you_ call a person who buys a thousand dollar phone just
because they want to show up in other people's messages as a certain color?
Do you ever _think_ about the kind of person who does that?
You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All I
did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was "fabricated".
Let's put it bluntly that you have never used a modern Android phone,
Jolly Roger, so you have _no idea_ how powerful messaging is on Android.
As just one apropos example, based on badgolferman's original post, on Android, you can set the color of conversations to anything you want.
Can you do something that simple with the primitive iMessage app, JR?
But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple
products.
My main _adult_ point is that you made sweeping claims for iMessage, almost all of which were unsubstantiated imaginary fabrications of functionality
the primitive iMessage simply doesn't have, and, my counter point was that you have no idea what a modern messaging app can do (see example below).
My point is you don't see how primitive iMessage is, because it's all you know; but let's compare your primitive stone-age iMessage app functionality to what a modern Android messaging app can do, shall we?
See below for details on what a _modern_ messaging app can do, JR.
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in
your entire life
Wrong.
My adult point, Jolly Roger, is that you not only don't know how modern a messaging app can be because all you know is the primitive iMessage app...
... but also that you made sweeping fabrications of imaginary iMessage functionality (some of which I outlined above) which you didn't back up.
If you're an adult, Jolly Roger, then let us know how much of what this one modern app does that your primitive walled-garden iMessage does, please. <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
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Am 23.02.23 um 01:23 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging app.
Something that is simply inexistent. No modern messaging app has a
connection to the Android-OS.
HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging app.
Google are trying to gain the upper hand here with "Messages"
Google can solve the whole iMessage issue if they really want to.
not legally.
I have one Gen Z child and one Millenial. The Gen Z switched to
iPhone since his colleagues and his students primarily use iPhones,
and as you mentioned, group chats between iPhone and Android users
are a pain. The Millenial is still on Android.
Same thing here. I have a 28-year-old who has an Android and doesn't
care a bit about group chats, and a 19-year-old social butterfly who
has told me about the pressure involved in keeping the iPhone blue
bubble among his peers.
badgolferman wrote:
I have one Gen Z child and one Millenial. The Gen Z switched to
iPhone since his colleagues and his students primarily use
iPhones, and as you mentioned, group chats between iPhone and
Android users are a pain. The Millenial is still on Android.
Same thing here. I have a 28-year-old who has an Android and
doesn't care a bit about group chats, and a 19-year-old social
butterfly who has told me about the pressure involved in keeping
the iPhone blue bubble among his peers.
Same thing here, where the boys in my extended family tend to be
technically astute and hence they prefer Android, while the girls had
wanted iPhones ever since they were impressionable high school kids.
*There's no doubt that MARKETING considers iMessage to be a glue trap*
Since I study why people act like they do (just as I study both
German and Russian society so understand their peculiarities), I
wonder why.
*Certainly Apple understands this peculiarity & MARKETING caters to
it*
The adult question is what kind of strangely peculiar need are these
kids solving when they care so much about what bubble color they show
up as.
The adult question is what kind of strangely peculiar need are these
kids solving when they care so much about what bubble color they show
up as.
People are tribal animals. They want to be around those like
themselves.
I moved into a small town of 11,000 people. I'm forever
known as a "Come Here" or "Move In" even though my kids all went to
school here, we attended church in this town for a long time, we've
been involved in community service, etc.
When it comes to iMessages it's kind of the same thing. You must act
and look like us to gain acceptance. In that respect Apple is not as inclusive as it claims to be. They are discriminating against people
who "aren't from around here".
Also iMessages does some fancy animations and uses special emojis that
some people care about.
Jolly Roger wrote:
That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All
I did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was
"fabricated".
Let's put it bluntly that you have never used a modern Android phone,
Jolly Roger, so you have _no idea_ how powerful messaging is on
Android.
Android, you can set the color of conversations to anything you want.
But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple
products.
My main _adult_ point is that you made sweeping claims for iMessage,
almost all of which were unsubstantiated imaginary fabrications of functionality
you don't see how primitive iMessage is, because it's all you know
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in
your entire life
Wrong.
My adult point, Jolly Roger, is that you not only don't know how
modern a messaging app can be
all you know is the primitive iMessage app...
... but also that you made sweeping fabrications of imaginary iMessage functionality
When it comes to iMessages it's kind of the same thing. You must act
and look like us to gain acceptance. In that respect Apple is not as inclusive as it claims to be. They are discriminating against people
who "aren't from around here".
Yes, but do they have the poop and pregnant man emojis?
On 2023-02-23 10:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.02.23 um 01:23 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging app.
Something that is simply inexistent. No modern messaging app has a
connection to the Android-OS.
Eh? There are plenty third party apps that are quite modern and
served by strong systems (Signal, for example).
What Android lacks is the central connective tissue across the entire
Android user base that iMessage offers.
Google are trying to gain the upper hand here with "Messages" and as a result, Samsung have adopted it ... and already forked it. So not
sure how compatible a Samsung Messages experience would be with
another phone's Messages experience over the longer term.
In article <HhMJL.678927$t5W7.463248@fx13.iad>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Google are trying to gain the upper hand here with "Messages"
along with more than a dozen others.
maybe if they had some sort of clue what they're doing, they might have
been able to compete. they don't.
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/22538240/google-chat-allo-hangouts-t
alk-messaging-mess-timeline>
Over the past 15 years, Google has introduced more than a dozen
messaging services spanning text, voice, and video calling. This
week, the company¹s efforts culminated in the general availability of
Google Chat, a combination of Slack / Discord-style rooms with more
traditional messaging.
On 2023-02-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-23 10:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.02.23 um 01:23 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging app.
Something that is simply inexistent. No modern messaging app has a
connection to the Android-OS.
Eh? There are plenty third party apps that are quite modern and
served by strong systems (Signal, for example).
Those exist on iOS too, or did you forget? Your initial post was about
why iPhone users prefer *iMessage* over *SMS* - not whether they use alternative messaging apps and services.
What Android lacks is the central connective tissue across the entire
Android user base that iMessage offers.
Blame Google for that.
Google are trying to gain the upper hand here with "Messages" and as a
result, Samsung have adopted it ... and already forked it. So not
sure how compatible a Samsung Messages experience would be with
another phone's Messages experience over the longer term.
Good luck with that:
A decade and a half of instability: The history of Google messaging apps Sixteen years after the launch of Google Talk, Google messaging is still
a mess. <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/>
On 2023-02-23 15:36, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-02-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-23 10:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.02.23 um 01:23 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging
app.
Something that is simply inexistent. No modern messaging app has a
connection to the Android-OS.
Eh? There are plenty third party apps that are quite modern and
served by strong systems (Signal, for example).
Those exist on iOS too, or did you forget? Your initial post was
about why iPhone users prefer *iMessage* over *SMS* - not whether
they use alternative messaging apps and services.
Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster.
Was pointing out to Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging
on Andorid. There are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing,
there is a curse).
What Android lacks is the central connective tissue across the
entire Android user base that iMessage offers.
Blame Google for that.
Maybe. Since Android is a wild-wild west for phone makers, it's not
like Google have much control, nor will the bigger co's like Samsung
allow them to be.
Maybe they need collective counseling?
Google are trying to gain the upper hand here with "Messages" and as
a result, Samsung have adopted it ... and already forked it. So not
sure how compatible a Samsung Messages experience would be with
another phone's Messages experience over the longer term.
Good luck with that:
A decade and a half of instability: The history of Google messaging
apps Sixteen years after the launch of Google Talk, Google messaging
is still a mess.
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/>
Indeed. You can't give OS's away to a bunch of competitors and expect
them all to Kumbaya against their own (perceived) best interests (be
top dog).
Yes, but do they have the poop and pregnant man emojis?
...and this guy accuses the rest of us of trolling...
You beat me to it. Kudos. Google's messaging is a hot mess.
Let's put it bluntly that you have never used a modern Android phone,
Jolly Roger, so you have _no idea_ how powerful messaging is on
Android.
This is about why iPhone users prefer iMessage (blue messages) over SMS (green messages), and you're *desperately* trying to move the goal post.
iPhone users prefer iMessage because it's more secure, more reliable,
and has more functionality than SMS.
Android, you can set the color of conversations to anything you want.
That has nothing to do with why iPhone users prefer iMesage.
Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
more functionality than SMS.
you don't see how primitive iMessage is, because it's all you know
You're an idiot troll who thinks I (along with most people here) haven't
used alternative messaging services. : D And you're desperately trying
to change the discussion from the OP, which is why iPhone users prefer iMessage over SMS.
My adult point, Jolly Roger, is that you not only don't know how
modern a messaging app can be
*yawn* Of course I do.
all you know is the primitive iMessage app...
iMessage isn't an app - it's a service. And your claim that I don't know other messaging apps is both false and irrelevant to the discussion of
why iPhone users prefer iMessage over SMS.
... but also that you made sweeping fabrications of imaginary iMessage
functionality
The record shows I did not.
Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster. Was pointing out to Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging on Andorid. There
are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing, there is a curse).
Is there anything better than Google Voice for USA phone calls to POTS?
yes
Is there anything better than Google Voice for USA phone calls to POTS?
I wish you weren't lying,
so I will ask you to be an adult.
Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is better than
Jolly Roger wrote:
Yes, but do they have the poop and pregnant man emojis?
...and this guy accuses the rest of us of trolling...
Given Jolly Roger owns the mentality of a kindergarten kid, it's not surprising JR missed the _adult_ point that badgolferman was making.
What badgolferman was answering is _why_ kids love iMessage, and one of the reasons is that iMessage has all sorts of "cool to kids" types of emojis.
I wish you weren't lying,
maybe you'll get your wish. or maybe not.
so I will ask you to be an adult.
what fun is that?
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY>
Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is better than
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id300897713>
On 2023-02-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-23 15:36, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-02-23, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-23 10:56, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
Am 23.02.23 um 01:23 schrieb Andy Burnelli:
HINT: Ask JollyRoger if he ever used a modern Android messaging
app.
Something that is simply inexistent. No modern messaging app has a
connection to the Android-OS.
Eh? There are plenty third party apps that are quite modern and
served by strong systems (Signal, for example).
Those exist on iOS too, or did you forget? Your initial post was
about why iPhone users prefer *iMessage* over *SMS* - not whether
they use alternative messaging apps and services.
Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster.
For some reason I thought you were. I seem to have misread. : ) My
apologies.
Jolly Roger wrote:
Let's put it bluntly that you have never used a modern Android
phone, Jolly Roger, so you have _no idea_ how powerful messaging is
on Android.
This is about why iPhone users prefer iMessage (blue messages) over
SMS (green messages), and you're *desperately* trying to move the
goal post.
Hi Jolly Roger,
I'm going to "try" to converse with you as if you're an adult, ok?
I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green message bubbles.
iPhone users prefer iMessage because it's more secure, more reliable,
and has more functionality than SMS.
Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
more functionality than SMS.
Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.
you don't see how primitive iMessage is, because it's all you know
You're an idiot troll who thinks I (along with most people here) haven't
used alternative messaging services.
Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims?
Actual adults don't go around belittling anyone who happens to use
emojis or particular brands of devices. That's something man-children
with little hate boners do.
Jolly Roger wrote:
I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green
message bubbles.
This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are *desperately*
trying to claim it's only about children or girls is because of your
admitted disrespect of them, including your own young family members.
In continuing to discuss with you this topic as if you're an adult...
Then you tell us what kind of shallow personality actually _cares_ what
color bubble they happen to show up as in a group chat, Jolly Roger.
Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
private, or fully featured as iMessage.
Again if I assume you are an actual adult, Jolly Roger, then I shouldn't
have to point out to you that I have already cited, many times in fact, a specific modern Android app which I consider (based on the record) to be
far more modern than iMessage, & which is as secure, as private, &
certainly has more features than what you claim for the primitive iMessage.
Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has >>>> more functionality than SMS.
Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.
FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
are end-to-end encrypted.
Again, Jolly Roger, an _adult_ would comprehend my words, and an adult
would have noticed by now that I provided a cite to a modern Android SMS
app which _is_ end-to-end encrypted based on what is in the record.
To be more clear and blunt, Jolly Roger, I wouldn't have to say this to any other "adult" but you - but don't you think I know _how_ you think?
Do you think I'm stupid, Jolly Roger?
I've been pointing you to an encrypted app all along - and you missed it.
I (think I) understand you inside and out, Jolly Roger.
You can't conceive of an app that does what you _think_ it can't do.
And yet, it does.
I'm not going to insult you by saying you're too stupid to get it.
But what I am going to recommend is you comprehend what I have said.
Look at the app I provided to you so many times I can't count how many.
It does that you say it doesn't do.
FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party or
even Apple.
Please look at the app I've been pointing to all along, Jolly Roger.
I'm going to treat you as if you are an adult so what we have is a
difference of opinion but you haven't _looked_ at the app and I have.
Which one of us is wrong?
a. The guy who made claims he didn't back up in the least, or,
b. The guy who made claims and who backed them up _every_ time.
FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while
iMessage does not.
I'm having difficulty treating your completely closed mindset as if I'm conversing with an actual adult, Jolly Roger, so all I can do is _repeat_ that I pointed you to an app which does what you claim it doesn't do.
You can't disagree with that without even _looking_ at the app, JR.
That's not what an actual adult would have done...
FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much functionality
as iMessage.
If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, I would have to point out that the iMessage functionality is _primitive_ compared to the functionality in the one app I've been repeatedly pointing you to.
Notice that you haven't backed up a single claim of yours.
And that I backed up _every_ one of mine.
I did what adults are expected to do.
Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims? >>You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service, which
is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.
In summary, Jolly Roger, I can't count how many times I've already pointed
to an app which purports to do exactly what you claim it can't do.
If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, then I _expect_ you to click on the links I provided which backed up _every_ one of my claims.
This is what an actual adult would have done, Jolly Roger...
a. That adult "may" have owned a belief system that is similar to yours.
b. However, that adult "may" have understood my claims to the contrary.
c. That adult would then have _clicked_ on the links I provided many times.
You have to realize, Jolly Roger, that's what an _adult_ would have done.
If, _after_ you read my backup cites, you _then_ disagree, then please do.
Note: I'm desperately trying to treat you as an adult, bearing in mind I've worked with the smartest people in the world, and you are more difficult to deal with than any of those people as it's hard to treat you as an adult.
I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer" green
message bubbles.
This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are *desperately* trying to claim it's only about children or girls is because of your
admitted disrespect of them, including your own young family members.
Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
private, or fully featured as iMessage.
Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and has
more functionality than SMS.
Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones religion.
FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
are end-to-end encrypted.
FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party or
even Apple.
FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while iMessage does not.
FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much functionality
as iMessage.
Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_ claims?
You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service, which
is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.
Alan Browne wrote:
Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster. Was pointing out to
Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging on Andorid. There
are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing, there is a curse).
I agree with anyone, yes, even Alan Browne, who makes a sentient adult observation, where there are _plenty_ of modern messaging apps on Android.
In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage app does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long ago) do.
*Pulse SMS* (Phone/Tablet/Web) by Maple Media, In-app purchases
free, adfree, reqgsf, 4.7star,78.5K reviews,1M+Downloads <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
Note very clearly that modern Android messaging app certainly does a lot of things that the iOS iMessage app does NOT do; so the question is only what the iOS iMessage app does that this app doesn't already (long ago) do.
Why would anyone expect Jolly Roger to click on links anyone else
provided?
His mind was set ten or more years ago and his opinion is never going
to change just because you showed he was wrong about the Apple
messaging app.
Jolly Roger wrote:
Actual adults don't go around belittling anyone who happens to use
emojis or particular brands of devices. That's something man-children
with little hate boners do.
While _you_ may consider emojis the pinnacle of your ability to
express yourself, I'm with both Steve and badgolferman with an
assessment that actual _adults_ use their resourcefully inventive
grasp of the English language to perform communicative functions while
poorly educated people like you perhaps vastly prefer to more
conveniently employ what we may likely consider to be a plethora of child-like sophomoric symbols instead.
Jolly Roger wrote:
I don't think anyone (least of all me) wonders _why_ young
impressionable non-technical status-conscious mere kids "prefer"
green message bubbles.
This is about *all* iPhone users. The only reason you are
*desperately* trying to claim it's only about children or girls is
because of your admitted disrespect of them, including your own young
family members.
In continuing to discuss with you this topic as if you're an adult...
Then you tell us what kind of shallow personality actually _cares_
what color bubble they happen to show up as in a group chat, Jolly
Roger.
Given _you_ brought up those sweeping claims
Only a very stupid person would try to argue that SMS is as secure,
private, or fully featured as iMessage.
Again if I assume you are an actual adult, Jolly Roger, then I
shouldn't have to point out to you that I have already cited, many
times in fact, a specific modern Android app
Nope, what I said is a FACT: iMessage is more secure, reliable, and
has more functionality than SMS.
Again, you are welcome to fabricateall sorts of imaginary magical
non-existing functionality for your beloved iMessage Jim Jones
religion.
FACT: SMS and MMS messages are not encrypted, while iMessage messages
are end-to-end encrypted.
Again, Jolly Roger, an _adult_ would comprehend my words, and an adult
would have noticed by now that I provided a cite to a modern Android
SMS app which _is_ end-to-end encrypted based on what is in the
record.
FACT: SMS and MMS messages can be read by cellular carriers, while
iMessage messages cannot be intercepted and read by any third party
or even Apple.
Please look at the app I've been pointing to all along, Jolly Roger.
FACT: SMS and MMS message require cellular service to function, while
iMessage does not.
You can't disagree with that without even _looking_ at the app, JR.
That's not what an actual adult would have done...
FACT: SMS and MMS messaging does not offer nearly as much
functionality as iMessage.
If I continue to treat you as an adult, Jolly Roger, I would have to
point out that the iMessage functionality is _primitive_ compared to
the functionality in the one app I've been repeatedly pointing you to.
Why am I an "idiot troll" for simply asking you to back up _your_
claims?
You're confused. Read the above quoted message from you (slowly if
needed) which stated I don't know any other messaging app/service,
which is false. And that is a small part of what makes you a troll.
In summary, Jolly Roger, I can't count how many times I've already
pointed to an app which purports to do exactly what you claim it can't
do.
Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Didn't forget at all. I am not the initial poster. Was pointing
out to Lorenz where he's wrong about up to date messaging on
Andorid. There are plenty of choices. (Where there is a blessing,
there is a curse).
I agree with anyone, yes, even Alan Browne, who makes a sentient
adult observation, where there are _plenty_ of modern messaging apps
on Android.
In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage
app does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long
ago) do.
imessages works. Look at the latest reviews for PulseSMS and it's not
at something I'd trust to work.
Pulse also requires a separate account to enable most of its features
where all your SMSs are saved to a third party cloud service. This is
not free.
*Pulse SMS* (Phone/Tablet/Web) by Maple Media, In-app purchases free,
adfree, reqgsf, 4.7star,78.5K reviews,1M+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
Note very clearly that modern Android messaging app certainly does a
lot of things that the iOS iMessage app does NOT do; so the question
is only what the iOS iMessage app does that this app doesn't already
(long ago) do.
If you read it carefully Pulse SMS nothing special with SMSs
themselves. It's just another client.
nospam wrote:
I wish you weren't lying,
maybe you'll get your wish. or maybe not.
so I will ask you to be an adult.
what fun is that?
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ-ZLdrTwY>
Name just one app on the Apple iOS App Store that you feel is
better than
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id300897713>
I wish you weren't always lying, nospam.
I wish you didn't own the mentality of a five year old.
I really do.
You have no good intentions.
No heart.
No soul.
You have no intelligence.
No knowledge.
No class.
Jolly Roger wrote:
Hehhehheh...
Weak laugh you got there.
Let's put it bluntly that I'm here to explain to you that anyone who buys a phone because of the color of the bubbles... is... um... er... ah... what?
What would _you_ call a person who buys a thousand dollar phone just
because they want to show up in other people's messages as a certain color?
Do you ever _think_ about the kind of person who does that?
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated
send them photos of books.
That'll learn 'em!
Apple marketing (brilliantly) appeals to the lowest class of people.
Low class people like Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Lewis, Jolly Roger et al.
That's just an educated observation and assessment of fact.
My erudite view is an adult point of view based on studying what kind of person feels _desperate_ to raise their status by purchasing an iPhone.
I was making the point from observation of Apple marketing and from badgolferman's assessment of the article that the lower class & less educated, technically speaking, someone is, the more they love Apple.
That's why Apple marketing (brilliantly) caters to the proletariat.
It's clear from the 'bubble conversations' that these low-class Apple
owners are actually desperate for that iPhone to "raise" their status.
If they had intelligence in terms of technical acumen they wouldn't be
using an iPhone in the first place, and, if they had class, they wouldn't
be _desperate_ for a mere marketing gimmick to give them that class.
I do very much realize this conversation is above your comprehension.
Andy Burnelli wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
I have one Gen Z child and one Millenial. The Gen Z switched to
iPhone since his colleagues and his students primarily use
iPhones, and as you mentioned, group chats between iPhone and
Android users are a pain. The Millenial is still on Android.
Same thing here. I have a 28-year-old who has an Android and
doesn't care a bit about group chats, and a 19-year-old social
butterfly who has told me about the pressure involved in keeping
the iPhone blue bubble among his peers.
Same thing here, where the boys in my extended family tend to be
technically astute and hence they prefer Android, while the girls had
wanted iPhones ever since they were impressionable high school kids.
*There's no doubt that MARKETING considers iMessage to be a glue trap*
Since I study why people act like they do (just as I study both
German and Russian society so understand their peculiarities), I
wonder why.
*Certainly Apple understands this peculiarity & MARKETING caters to
it*
The adult question is what kind of strangely peculiar need are these
kids solving when they care so much about what bubble color they show
up as.
People are tribal animals. They want to be around those like
themselves. I moved into a small town of 11,000 people. I'm forever
known as a "Come Here" or "Move In" even though my kids all went to
school here, we attended church in this town for a long time, we've
been involved in community service, etc.
When it comes to iMessages it's kind of the same thing. You must act
and look like us to gain acceptance. In that respect Apple is not as inclusive as it claims to be. They are discriminating against people
who "aren't from around here".
Also iMessages does some fancy animations and uses special emojis that
some people care about.
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the
least educated, the least technical and by far the most impressionable
of all.
Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your own
family members over something as trivial as the smartphone they happen
to use...
Hehhehheh...
You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
And the insults continue:
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in your entire life, and yet you made sweeping claims of fabricated functionality.
It's interesting that all I did was ask you to back up your sweeping claims of fabricated iOS iMessage functionality - and you consider _that_ simple adult request of you to back up your own fabricated claims, an insult.
On 2023-02-23, Andy Burnelli<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but they're the least educated, the least technical and by far the most
impressionable of all.
Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your own family members over something as trivial as the smartphone they
happen to use...
Hehhehheh...
Weak laugh you got there.
You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not me.
That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All I
did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was "fabricated".
But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple products. That's you, Arlen.
And the insults continue:
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone in
your entire life
Wrong. : )
On Feb 22, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <k5o7v8Fk66oU1@mid.individual.net>):
On 2023-02-23, Andy Burnelli<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
In my own family, we have people who love the iPhone but
they're the least educated, the least technical and by far the
most impressionable of all.
Imagine how much of a shitty person you have to be to insult your
own family members over something as trivial as the smartphone
they happen to use...
Hehhehheh...
Weak laugh you got there.
You're the one who fabricated imaginary iOS functionality, JR, not
me.
That's a lie, and anyone reading this thread can see it plainly. All
I did was state iMessage benefits over SMS - nothing was
"fabricated".
But you're definitely the one who *immediately* resorted to insults,
even insulting your own family just because they happen to use Apple
products. That's you, Arlen.
And the insults continue:
You are the one, Jolly Roger, who has never used an Android phone
in your entire life
Interesting. I, for one, had an Android phone before I had a iPhone. I
got the iPhone precisely because the Android (a Honeycomb device) was
so shit. It froze, randomly, without warning, which meant that I could
not make calls, or, more importantly, receive calls, until I rebooted
it. How did I reboot it? I took the battery out, waited 15 seconds,
put it back. I once had to do that 3 times in 24 hours, at which time
I decided on getting rid of it and getting an iPhone instead.
Some of us did use Android, but had extremely negative experiences and
will never get an Android phone again.
Several users at the office got Android tablets. They were less than
thrilled with the experience, and all traded the Androids in for iPads
or MS Surfaces. Almost all of the Android users at the office are now
Apple or MS users. We’ll be dropping support for Android shortly,
there aren’t enough users to justify the expense.
Wrong. : )
Arlen always is.
Jolly Roger wrote:
Some of us did use Android, but had extremely negative experiences and
will never get an Android phone again.
Many of us (including me) have had similar experiences with Android
devices, which is why we prefer Apple's products.
Hi Jolly Roger,
I'm going to try to discuss that with you, as if you are an adult... OK?
The real problem, Jolly Roger, is all your so-called knowledge about
Android is about ten years old, and Android has changed a lot since then.
For example, you used to joyfully claim that the app store had more apps
for the iPhone than Android, but now, Android apps put your store to shame.
You used to claim there was tremendous operating system update
fragmentation, but now, almost all the Android OS is updated forever.
Perhaps more importantly, you used to claim that Android had security
holes, but lately the iPhone is the worst smartphone OS on record for that.
He just lies, constantly.
And yet, you've never found even a fact I've ever stated to not be correct.
Nonetheless, my point is that everything you think you know about Android
is based on your ignorance - and the fact you've never ever read the news.
You have no idea, for example, that iOS dies _soonest_ of all OS's alive.
Some of us did use Android, but had extremely negative experiences and
will never get an Android phone again.
Many of us (including me) have had similar experiences with Android
devices, which is why we prefer Apple's products.
He just lies, constantly.
In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage app
does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long ago) do.
imessages works.
Look at the latest reviews for PulseSMS and it's not at
something I'd trust to work.
Pulse also requires a separate account to enable most of its features where all your SMSs are saved to a third party cloud service.
This is not free.
*Pulse SMS* (Phone/Tablet/Web) by Maple Media, In-app purchases
free, adfree, reqgsf, 4.7star,78.5K reviews,1M+Downloads
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
Note very clearly that modern Android messaging app certainly does a lot of >> things that the iOS iMessage app does NOT do; so the question is only what >> the iOS iMessage app does that this app doesn't already (long ago) do.
If you read it carefully Pulse SMS nothing special with SMSs themselves.
It's just another client.
"How is Pulse SMS different than a normal SMS app?
At its core, Pulse SMS does not work any differently than the SMS app that came with your phone. Individual apps cannot make connections with your carrier, so all that Pulse SMS can really do is hand off messages to
Android to be sent. Similar for receiving, Android will receive the
message, then notify any SMS apps on the device."
and
"Pulse SMS provides no specific functionality when messaging between two Pulse SMS users"
Chris wrote:
In fact, I ask anyone on this newsgroup to show what the iOS iMessage app >> does that this modern Android messaging app doesn't already (long ago) do.
imessages works.
Yes. But _only_ with an Apple iCloud account. It can't work from the phone number alone, which is a _huge_ drawback in terms of a whole lotta things.
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ US/iOS/ios15-iphone12-pro-settings-messages-imessage-signed-out.png>
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_ US/iOS/ios15-iphone12-pro-settings-messages-imessage-signed-out.png>
None of you iKooks can think beyond the bullshit that MARKETING feeds you.
<https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/iOS
/ios15-iphone12-pro-settings-messages-imessage-signed-out.png>
*Use Your AppleID for iMessage*
I'm simply blind to functionality you iKooks keep telling me about.
1. iMessage functionality pales in comparison to a modern messenger.
2. Worse, iMessage _requires_ a mothership tracking account to work.
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