• What was Goldman Sachs thinking?????

    From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 09:52:48 2023
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to
    accept the ‌Apple Card‌, nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs
    running into customer service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little expense.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 29 10:30:26 2023
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to
    accept the ‌Apple Card‌, nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs
    running into customer service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 29 14:46:10 2023
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 1:30:36 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to
    accept the ‌Apple Card‌, nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership has not gone smoothly, with Goldman
    Sachs running into customer service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little expense.
    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.

    Really? Apple Card pays 3% cash back for a very few merchants, 2% on Apple Pay transactions and 1% on all else. Mine pays a 2% rebate on everything, including Apple Pay transactions and everything where Apple Pay does not work. Their so called "high
    Interest" 4.25% savings account falls short of my 5% FDIC-insured savings account. No thanks, I'll stick with my Visa and my bank.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 29 16:59:06 2023
    On 11/29/23 10:30 AM, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/ >>
    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌
    launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting
    fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a
    cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌, >> nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign
    transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had
    to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service
    staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌
    since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield
    Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership
    has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer
    service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌
    transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest
    connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little
    expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product.  It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.


    Does your card allow you to buy a Apple laptop with 12 months of zero
    interest?

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  • From Thomas E.@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 29 18:02:55 2023
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:59:19 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 10:30 AM, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌
    launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting
    fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a
    cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌,
    nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign
    transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had
    to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service
    staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌
    since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield
    Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership
    has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer
    service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌
    transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest
    connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little
    expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.
    Does your card allow you to buy a Apple laptop with 12 months of zero interest?

    No, I'd just pay cash and be done with it. Then too, the credit card rebates I got over the last 18 months would more than pay for a 14" M3 Pro chip model with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine model

    Or, has more than paid for all the fuel bill for both of our cars.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Wed Nov 29 18:37:27 2023
    On 11/29/23 6:02 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:59:19 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 10:30 AM, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌
    launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting
    fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a
    cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌, >>>> nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign
    transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had
    to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service
    staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌
    since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield
    Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership >>>> has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer
    service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌
    transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest
    connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little
    expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.
    Does your card allow you to buy a Apple laptop with 12 months of zero
    interest?

    No, I'd just pay cash and be done with it. Then too, the credit card rebates I got over the last 18 months would more than pay for a 14" M3 Pro chip model with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine model

    Or, has more than paid for all the fuel bill for both of our cars.



    LMAO!!!

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Thu Nov 30 16:10:23 2023
    On 11/30/2023 6:19 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:37:40 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 6:02 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:59:19 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 10:30 AM, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>> launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting >>>>>> fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a >>>>>> cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌,
    nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign
    transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had >>>>>> to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service >>>>>> staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>> since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield >>>>>> Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership >>>>>> has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer
    service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>> transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest >>>>>> connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little >>>>>> expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.
    Does your card allow you to buy a Apple laptop with 12 months of zero
    interest?

    No, I'd just pay cash and be done with it. Then too, the credit card rebates I got over the last 18 months would more than pay for a 14" M3 Pro model with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine model.

    Or, has more than paid for all the fuel bill for both of our cars.
    LMAO!!!

    Really? Laughing at $2,306 in rebates, and that's just on my card? The wife has one with the same 2% cash back. Those rebates are not taxed either!



    It is a laugh because you spent a lot of money via credit card and have
    very few superior Apple products to show for it. I spent much less and
    own every Apple product except for the new Mac Pro.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 1 13:55:29 2023
    On Nov 29, 2023, Thomas E. wrote
    (in article<60c525db-7865-41b2-b806-9ceb0376474en@googlegroups.com>):

    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌, nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little expense.

    Tim Cook was smarter than whoever GS had on charge of the project.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Dec 1 14:12:27 2023
    On 12/1/23 8:24 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:10:36 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/30/2023 6:19 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:37:40 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 6:02 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:59:19 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 10:30 AM, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>>>> launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting >>>>>>>> fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a >>>>>>>> cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌,
    nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign
    transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had >>>>>>>> to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service >>>>>>>> staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>>>> since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield >>>>>>>> Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership >>>>>>>> has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer >>>>>>>> service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>>>> transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest >>>>>>>> connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little >>>>>>>> expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.
    Does your card allow you to buy a Apple laptop with 12 months of zero >>>>>> interest?

    No, I'd just pay cash and be done with it. Then too, the credit card rebates I got over the last 18 months would more than pay for a 14" M3 Pro model with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine model.

    Or, has more than paid for all the fuel bill for both of our cars.
    LMAO!!!

    Really? Laughing at $2,306 in rebates, and that's just on my card? The wife has one with the same 2% cash back. Those rebates are not taxed either!
    It is a laugh because you spent a lot of money via credit card and have
    very few superior Apple products to show for it. I spent much less and
    own every Apple product except for the new Mac Pro.

    LMAO: I have the 256 gb iPhone 14 Pro on an unlimited 5G plan, 256 gb iPad 9 with unlimited cellular service, and an Apple Watch also with unlimited cellular service. I also have a top-of-the-line Dell XPS that is quick and reliable, albeit battery
    life is nowhere near the MacBook Pro. The wife has a 256 gb iPhone 14 on an unlimited 5G plan and a 256 gb iPad on unlimited celluar service. She will not give up her Charge 5. She thinks the Apple Watch is too big for her wrist.

    FYI only all the cell service and our home internet is on unlimited Verizon 5G at under $200 a month. All in, we are under $300 a month including streaming TV subscriptions. Equivalent cable TV alone in our area is over $250 a month.

    Not having an Apple credit card is absolutely no barrier to owning Apple devices. Why do you think so? Are you so short on cash that you can't buy Apple devices without a year to pay them off with 0 interest? I just charge them and pay off the card on
    time. In fact, since I paid off our only debt, our mortgage, back in March 2003 I have paid about $15 in interest, and that only because I missed one card payment date. We pay cash or we don't buy it. That includes new automobiles, home remodels,

    I repeat, LMAO.


    All I can do is laugh at such poor financial management.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Thomas E. on Fri Dec 1 13:32:37 2023
    On 12/1/23 8:24 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 7:10:36 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/30/2023 6:19 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:37:40 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 6:02 PM, Thomas E. wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:59:19 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 10:30 AM, John wrote:
    On 11/29/23 9:52 AM, Thomas E. wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/28/apple-goldman-sachs-partnership-ending/

    "Goldman Sachs was new to consumer banking when the ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>>>> launched, and to establish a deal with Apple, it is not collecting >>>>>>>> fees that many credit card issuers receive. The bank does not get a >>>>>>>> cut of the fee that merchants pay to Apple to accept the ‌Apple Card‌,
    nor is it able to collect annual fees, late fees, or foreign
    transaction fees."

    How was this deal going to make money for Goldman Sachs when they had >>>>>>>> to pay for all the back-office expenses, including customer service >>>>>>>> staff? Those expenses have been significant:

    "Goldman Sachs and Apple have worked together on the ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>>>> since it launched in 2019, and have also teamed up for the high-yield >>>>>>>> Apple Savings account and the Apple Pay Later feature. The partnership >>>>>>>> has not gone smoothly, with Goldman Sachs running into customer >>>>>>>> service issues due to long wait times for disputed ‌Apple Card‌ >>>>>>>> transactions and issues with the Apple Savings account."

    Goldman Sachs apparently receives only credit card and loan interest >>>>>>>> connected to Apple Card use. Apple benefits significantly at little >>>>>>>> expense.



    Apple Card is a fine product. It will be better under a more
    intelligent bank.
    Does your card allow you to buy a Apple laptop with 12 months of zero >>>>>> interest?

    No, I'd just pay cash and be done with it. Then too, the credit card rebates I got over the last 18 months would more than pay for a 14" M3 Pro model with 12‑core CPU, 18‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine model.

    Or, has more than paid for all the fuel bill for both of our cars.
    LMAO!!!

    Really? Laughing at $2,306 in rebates, and that's just on my card? The wife has one with the same 2% cash back. Those rebates are not taxed either!
    It is a laugh because you spent a lot of money via credit card and have
    very few superior Apple products to show for it. I spent much less and
    own every Apple product except for the new Mac Pro.

    LMAO: I have the 256 gb iPhone 14 Pro on an unlimited 5G plan, 256 gb iPad 9 with unlimited cellular service, and an Apple Watch also with unlimited cellular service. I also have a top-of-the-line Dell XPS that is quick and reliable, albeit battery
    life is nowhere near the MacBook Pro. The wife has a 256 gb iPhone 14 on an unlimited 5G plan and a 256 gb iPad on unlimited celluar service. She will not give up her Charge 5. She thinks the Apple Watch is too big for her wrist.

    FYI only all the cell service and our home internet is on unlimited Verizon 5G at under $200 a month. All in, we are under $300 a month including streaming TV subscriptions. Equivalent cable TV alone in our area is over $250 a month.

    Not having an Apple credit card is absolutely no barrier to owning Apple devices. Why do you think so? Are you so short on cash that you can't buy Apple devices without a year to pay them off with 0 interest? I just charge them and pay off the card on
    time. In fact, since I paid off our only debt, our mortgage, back in March 2003 I have paid about $15 in interest, and that only because I missed one card payment date. We pay cash or we don't buy it. That includes new automobiles, home remodels,

    I repeat, LMAO.



    LMAO!!!

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