Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
-hh
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck radio.
Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard constraint of being single DIN.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least something bigger than this.Not for this one, as Porsche doesn’t sell new air cooled models anymore .. at any price.
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer radio/CarPlay unit."https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units" that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of that.
Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still very useable. If you can't afford another Porsche
get a mount for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I found on
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’ version, which is for the newer
996 & 986 (first generation water cooled). The good news for you Tommy is that 996’s and
986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now cheap enough to be even within _your_ budget.
-hh
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my 2022 Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the difference. But not going to happen. I have better uses for the money.
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
-hh
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny. Just get a newer
Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least something bigger than
this. Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer radio/CarPlay unit. Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still very
useable. If you can't afford another Porsche get a mount for your
phone. That would work as well as than your unit I found on "https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of that.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:56:57 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-12-31 14:51, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck radio. >>>> But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard constraint of being single DIN.
Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least something bigger than this.Not for this one, as Porsche doesn’t sell new air cooled models anymore .. at any price.
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer radio/CarPlay unit."https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units" that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of that.
Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still very useable. If you can't afford another Porsche
get a mount for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I found on
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’ version, which is for the newer
996 & 986 (first generation water cooled). The good news for you Tommy is that 996’s and
986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now cheap enough to be even within _your_ budget.
-hh
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my 2022 Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the difference. But not going to happen. I have better uses for the money.
Graciously admitting your error as...
Oh, wait!
Failing to acknowledge your error...
...as always!
How gauche. Merely YA distraction attempt, trying to find a hopefully plausible
tangent to save face on, rather than to simply admit being wrong.
On 2023-12-31 16:29, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:56:57 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-12-31 14:51, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck radio. >>>>> But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard constraint of being single DIN.Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at leastNot for this one, as Porsche
something bigger than this.
doesn’t sell new air cooled models anymore .. at any price."https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer radio/CarPlay unit.
Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still very useable. If you can't >>>>>> afford another Porsche
get a mount for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I found on
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of that.
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’
version, which is for the newer
996 & 986 (first generation water cooled). The good news for you
Tommy is that 996’s and
986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now
cheap enough to be even within _your_ budget.
-hh
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my 2022
Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the difference. But
not going to happen. I have better uses for the money.
Graciously admitting your error as...
Oh, wait!
Failing to acknowledge your error...
...as always!
How gauche. Merely YA distraction attempt, trying to find a hopefully plausible
tangent to save face on, rather than to simply admit being wrong.
It's really more sad than anything else, isn't it?
It's a pattern that I find quite common on Usenet.
There's a guy on here who insists that I can't possibly being a road
racer, road racing instructor...
...or even own a BMW...
...because I don't use the terms "beemer" or "bimmer"...
...and haven't heard anyone in racing EVER refer to the curve described
by a racing car at the limit as being a "catenary".
:-)
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:51:20 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:“Could”… but will never do so. That’s why the most you could
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck
radio. But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard
constraint of being single DIN.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least
something bigger than this.
Not for this one, as Porsche doesn’t sell new air cooled models
anymore .. at any price.
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer"https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
radio/CarPlay unit. Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still
very useable. If you can't afford another Porsche get a mount
for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I
found on
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of
that.
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’
version, which is for the newer 996 & 986 (first generation
water cooled). The good news for you Tommy is that 996’s and
986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now cheap enough to be even
within _your_ budget.
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my
2022 Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the
difference. But not going to happen.
rationalize stretching for would be just a twenty year old used
example.
I have better uses for the money.Meaning day-to-day living expenses.
-hh
I don't buy 20 year old cars. I do not see the need for a Porsche
either. Apparently your ego needs stroking by the car you drive. Cars
are transportation.
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:22:56 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2024-01-01 14:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:51:20 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:“Could”… but will never do so. That’s why the most you could
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck
radio. But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard
constraint of being single DIN.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least
something bigger than this.
Not for this one, as Porsche doesn’t sell new air cooled models
anymore .. at any price.
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer"https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
radio/CarPlay unit. Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still
very useable. If you can't afford another Porsche get a mount
for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I
found on
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of
that.
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’
version, which is for the newer 996 & 986 (first generation
water cooled). The good news for you Tommy is that 996’s and
986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now cheap enough to be even >>>>>> within _your_ budget.
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my
2022 Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the
difference. But not going to happen.
rationalize stretching for would be just a twenty year old used
example.
I have better uses for the money.Meaning day-to-day living expenses.
I don't buy 20 year old cars. I do not see the need for a Porsche
either. Apparently your ego needs stroking by the car you drive. Cars
are transportation.
For someone who claims he flies for the enjoyment of it, it's odd you
can't understand that someone else might want to make activity most of
us must do every day more enjoyable.
Oh, Tom understands perfectly well: he just prefers anything over admitting being wrong, including revealing himself as liar and a hypocrite.
-hh
On 2024-01-01 15:34, -hh wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:22:56 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2024-01-01 14:36, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:51:20 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
“Could”… but will never do so. That’s why the most you could >>>>> rationalize stretching for would be just a twenty year old usedOn Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E.
wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>> Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck
radio. But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard
constraint of being single DIN.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least
something bigger than this.
Not for this one, as Porsche doesn’t sell new air cooled models >>>>>>> anymore .. at any price.
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer"https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
radio/CarPlay unit. Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still
very useable. If you can't afford another Porsche get a mount
for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I
found on
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of
that.
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’ >>>>>>> version, which is for the newer 996 & 986 (first generation
water cooled). The good news for you Tommy is that 996’s and
986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now cheap enough to be even >>>>>>> within _your_ budget.
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my
2022 Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the
difference. But not going to happen.
example.
I have better uses for the money.Meaning day-to-day living expenses.
I don't buy 20 year old cars. I do not see the need for a Porsche
either. Apparently your ego needs stroking by the car you drive. Cars
are transportation.
For someone who claims he flies for the enjoyment of it, it's odd you
can't understand that someone else might want to make activity most of
us must do every day more enjoyable.
Oh, Tom understands perfectly well: he just prefers anything over admitting >> being wrong, including revealing himself as liar and a hypocrite.
And a part of it I think is that he doesn't actually get enjoyment from
doing things...
...as much as he gets enjoyment from lording it over others that he does them.
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:03:50 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
You have no right to criticize others' choices based on your personal
values. Yours are yours and are mine.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:54:46 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2023-12-31 14:22, Thomas E. wrote:
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:What an absolutely consistent, shallow asshole you are!
Finally getting around to an upgrade...
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg>
-hh
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny. Just get a newer
Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least something bigger than
this. Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer
radio/CarPlay unit. Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still very
useable. If you can't afford another Porsche get a mount for your
phone. That would work as well as than your unit I found on
"https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of that.
"Mine's bigger than yours" is the highest level of discourse you possess.
LOL, HH has been saying that to me for years. Paybacks are a bitch.
On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:49:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 11:12:33 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:30:57 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:30:33 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 10:03:50 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
Yet that was what you initiated with your “Just get a newer Porsche with a realAlan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-01 15:34, -hh wrote:
On Monday, January 1, 2024 at 6:22:56 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-01-01 14:36, Thomas E. wrote:And a part of it I think is that he doesn't actually get enjoyment from
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:51:20 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 5:22:01 PM UTC-5, Thomas E. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:“Could”… but will never do so. That’s why the most you could
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:27:34 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally getting around to an upgrade...
You call that an upgrade? The screen is tiny.
<http://huntzinger.com/photo/2024/pre-install.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Most anything is an upgrade from the OEM AM/SW/FM+cassette deck >>>>>>>>>>>>>> radio. But it’s still has to fit within the dashboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraint of being single DIN.
Just get a newer Porsche with a real OEM screen or at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something bigger than this.
Not for this one, as Porsche doesn’t sell new air cooled models
anymore .. at any price.
Heck, my 2015 CRV with its retrofit has a 6.8" screen Pioneer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radio/CarPlay unit. Smaller than the 2022 Accord, but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very useable. If you can't afford another Porsche get a mount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your phone. That would work as well as than your unit I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found on"https://www.thedrive.com/news/33144/porsche-finally-offers-an-upgrade-to-its-eyesore-early-infotainment-units"
that shows a $1550 price tag. A good phone mount is 5% of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
That link is to this very product, along with the ‘PCCM Plus’
version, which is for the newer 996 & 986 (first generation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> water cooled). The good news for you Tommy is that 996’s and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 986’s aren’t as popular, so they’re now cheap enough to be even
within _your_ budget.
After I receive my January RMD funds allotment I could trade my >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022 Honda Accord for a new 911 and write a check for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> difference. But not going to happen.
rationalize stretching for would be just a twenty year old used >>>>>>>>>>>> example.
I have better uses for the money.Meaning day-to-day living expenses.
I don't buy 20 year old cars. I do not see the need for a Porsche >>>>>>>>>>> either. Apparently your ego needs stroking by the car you drive. Cars
are transportation.
For someone who claims he flies for the enjoyment of it, it's odd you
can't understand that someone else might want to make activity most of
us must do every day more enjoyable.
Oh, Tom understands perfectly well: he just prefers anything over admitting
being wrong, including revealing himself as liar and a hypocrite. >>>>>>>>
doing things...
...as much as he gets enjoyment from lording it over others that he does
them.
The problem he has is that he’s not actually doing any lording. >>>>>>>
For example, his “could” claims on RMDs are countermanded by how it’s a
nothing burger in the real world, as he never did buy his own Cessna, or
even doubled up on vacation budget, etc, despite multiple years of RMDs to
draw from.
It is reminiscent of another braggart who went down this same trap of >>>>>>> falsely believing that merely having a modest bag of bucks somehow >>>>>>> magically equates to being a good human. It doesn’t.
But perhaps Tommy will take the opportunity to learn something new and >>>>>>> swing by a dealer for a visit and maybe even a test drive..not that I’d
expect him to spring for a 911; he’d probably not even be able to pass
muster to take a GT3 out for a test drive.
PS: piloting a new Usenet newsreader setup, in anticipation of GG’s demise.
“Meh” so far.
Hugh, you totally fail to see how you can actually see value in something but not
enough to want to own it.
OEM screen” and its follow-up of your January RMD “I could buy” claim.
With over $3 mill in net worth I can afford a lot of things I don't own. >>>>> Which once again, as Alan noted, is precisely what you do all the time: >>>>> with often with the most tenuous of relevance, dangle a brag of bucks >>>>> so as to try to feel superior about yourself.Nothing wrong about being frugal, but it becomes hypocritical when one then
For less than hanger, maintenance and insurance I have access to 5 flying club
aircraft and can fly CAP aircraft too with almost no out-of-pocket expense.
goes on to criticize others when in their own way, they’re doing the same.
Let's think about a Porsche. I have a 2022 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring. >>>>> Merely the most recent of your many new car purchases…case in point: >>>>>> I have owned 4 or 5, and can see why.Five and because you’re taking the initial years’ depreciation hits each time,
figure at $25K net capital each. Retaining frugality means you could have >>>>> had fewer & saved enough to have gotten the wife a Porsche.
I have no desire to even test drive a Porsche. To me a car is something >>>>>> to get you from A to B in comfort and do it with no muss or fuss.Because Hondas are renowned for being the most comfortable of rides … /s
I once had an SVT Mustang Cobra. It was fun for a year, then I went back >>>>>> to Honda. It's just not me.Sounds more like you scared yourself with the Cobra, and have been
subsequently “playing it safe” for the past ~30 years.
You have no right to criticize others' choices based on your personal values.I’m not: I’m simply holding a mirror up … and you’re not liking your own reflection.
Yours are yours and are mine.
Uh, Hugh, the 4 or 5 Honda Accords starts way back in 1989.
What you did 30 years ago just isn’t contemporary, and there’s been other Hondas too, such
as your Insight hybrids. as of late, you’ve been flipping cars as often as your smartphones.
There are many cars that exceed the Accord in some area or another. Your Porche is
quicker, likely more fun to drive (for you), and makes a statement about the owner.
But try to load up 5 or 6 model aircraft to go fly at a local RC field. Or carry 4 people
and baggage on a trip. Does it get 45+ mpg? No, it will not do that.
Fortunately, “the right tool for the job” applies: If I need to carry a half dozen R/Cs or
passengers, I’ll simply choose a different vehicle in the family fleet. Ditto for other
use cases; It’s what happens when one is deliberate & holistic on capability needs.
Insight Hybrids? I had one.
Point being that you've had more vehicles than merely Accords for your total count.
It was obvious that it was not selling well and was likely to be discontinued.
So? That doesn't stop it from being a good vehicle, or meeting your needs.
The clincher was the dealer's trade offer for the Accord Hybrid.
A ... "deal" /s
Let's review the chain. 2015 traded a pre-owned 2010 Accord with about 100,000 miles for a new Civic.
Being pre-owned, it means you owned it for less than 5 years. For a typical three year lease, that
would have been a 2013 purchase and just 2 years of its ownership by you.
Good car that Civic, but not great. 2019 traded the Civic with about 60,000 miles for the Insight.
2019 - 2015 = 4 years ownership
Dec 30, 2021 I traded the Insight Touring Hybrid with about 50,000 miles ...
No more than 3 years ownership
So for what you've disclosed, its (2 + 4 + 3 ) / 3 = flipping your car every 3 years.
Between us since 2015 we have purchased about 8-10 smartphones, 4 or 5 tablets,
Android and Apple, versus 4 car purchases.
75% of which were your cars, not the households.
Phones do not cost as much as cars. News at 11.
Right, and despite that, if we assume that just over half the phones were yours (vs spouse),
your consumption was 3 cars vs 5 smartphones: less than a 1:2 ratio.
You do know that it is totally rational to be frugal in some areas and not-so-frugal in others?
Too bad you didn't afford that consideration to others when you criticized based on passenger seating,
carrying of R/Cs and even fuel economy: makes you more than just a tad hypocritical.
Please note that I did not criticize your car, just its tiny display.
Which you did while being utterly ignorant that it was an interface constraint, and for which you
never acknowledged your mistake. Instead, you tried just saying "buy a new one", which was also
explained as not possible at any price, as air-cooled examples are no longer manufactured new: that
double-down attempt means you make two mistakes instead of just one.
That's my car, a year newer. But nothing will appease your compulsion to find fault.
Who started it in this thread, Tommy? Hint: see "tiny display", above.
And FYI, I'm not being critical of the Honda Accord, but just how you seem to think that it is the
epitome of a comfortable (luxurious) ride whereas its merely just a nice all-around performer.
Plus it doesn't hurt to be able to claim reliability/etc, when one flips into a new one every ~3 years.
And time will tell if you'll keep your 2022 example until after 2025, or be flipping it yet again.
-hh
Our priorities may be different.Of course they are ... yet that hasn't stopped you from trying to criticize others' choices.
I'm still driving the BMW 135i I bought in 2017 and loving it.Given what you know I know about your financial situation this is
Before that, I had my 1990 Miata (bought very lightly used from the
parts manager of the local Mazda dealership) from 1992; 25 years.
Now, I'll freely admit that during that time there was one very
major overhaul that probably cost $6,000. ("Probably" because the
guy who did the work was a close friend and I could NOT get him to
invoice me.)
And of course there was some maintenance and repair down through
the years, but the main spends of $9,000 to purchase and the $6K,
means $600/year overall.
probably more based on necessity than frugality.
As I recall a family member gave you a "great deal" on the BMW
because he was not happy with the trade-in value. Felt sorry for
you?
That a friend felt so sorry for you that he gave you a $6,000 engine
overhaul just further says you probably can't afford new cars.
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 7:24:05 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2024-01-06 18:10, Thomas E. wrote:
Nope. Just gave a family member as good a deal as he was going to getI'm still driving the BMW 135i I bought in 2017 and loving it.Given what you know I know about your financial situation this is
Before that, I had my 1990 Miata (bought very lightly used from the
parts manager of the local Mazda dealership) from 1992; 25 years.
Now, I'll freely admit that during that time there was one very
major overhaul that probably cost $6,000. ("Probably" because the
guy who did the work was a close friend and I could NOT get him to
invoice me.)
And of course there was some maintenance and repair down through
the years, but the main spends of $9,000 to purchase and the $6K,
means $600/year overall.
probably more based on necessity than frugality.
As I recall a family member gave you a "great deal" on the BMW
because he was not happy with the trade-in value. Felt sorry for
you?
from a third party.
Nope. He knew very well that I could absolutely afford it. I kept at him
That a friend felt so sorry for you that he gave you a $6,000 engine
overhaul just further says you probably can't afford new cars.
for more than a year to just give me an invoice.
And it wasn't just an "engine overhaul". That's just another example of
you jumping to conclusions.
What a dick you are.
Yet you can't seem to afford to keep a very important financial obligation current. You know what I'm talking about.
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:59:05 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:of the travel was paid direct by the project sponsor, and is not included in the gross income. That would include airline tickets for quite a few of the international trips, some hotels, and lots of meals. Don't ask how many or how much. I have no idea."
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 7:21:20 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2024-01-07 04:31, -hh wrote:Plus there’s always more. Something else I stumbled across was this from April 2017:
Our priorities may be different.Of course they are ... yet that hasn't stopped you from trying to criticize others' choices.
And not just criticize:
Criticize from utter ignorance.
:-)
“Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income before taxes $1.16 million,
expenses $250k. Lest you think that impossible, quite a bit of that income did not involve
travel. Some of the travel was paid direct by the project sponsor, and is not included in the
gross income. That would include airline tickets for quite a few of the international trips,
some hotels, and lots of meals.”
< https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/k6biAzIgaSA/m/ZEGRw4WCDgAJ>
Odd how 13 years of the prior 20 years summed to “just”:1.16M, whereas how his cars 2.9%
claim meant up to ~$3M for just the other 7 years…even before recalling how later years
were “95%” retired. YMMV on if the upper limit parameterizing was overly generous…or if
someone else’s numbers were a tad misleading.
-hh
Caught you in another lie in addition to your Roth conversion lie that you have not acknowledged. I looked up the original. You actually edited that comment, leaving out the first sentence! Here is the actual comment, note that first sentence:
"Of course I'm not going to give you my annual income history. Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income before taxes $1.16 million, expenses $250k. Lest you think that impossible, quite a bit of that income did not involve travel. Some
That was not total income, just consulting. You are still not going to get annual income details. From 2002 we were both getting salaries early on, a substantial 2003 "golden parachute", retirement plan income from 2003, and Social Security from 2011,capital gains, and some dividend income. TOTAL 2002-2017 income was $3.1 million. Net consulting before taxes was $1.3 million in 2020, the last year I had active projects. I was already tapering down as RMD income started and planning transitioning some
PLEASE stop lying.
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:59:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:52:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:59:05 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:False, for I never said it was only a Roth: I was drawing an analogy for
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 7:21:20 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2024-01-07 04:31, -hh wrote:Plus there’s always more. Something else I stumbled across was this from April 2017:
Our priorities may be different.Of course they are ... yet that hasn't stopped you from trying to
criticize others' choices.
And not just criticize:
Criticize from utter ignorance.
:-)
“Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income before taxes $1.16 million,
expenses $250k. Lest you think that impossible, quite a bit of that
income did not involve
travel. Some of the travel was paid direct by the project sponsor, and >>>> is not included in the
gross income. That would include airline tickets for quite a few of
the international trips,
some hotels, and lots of meals.”
< https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/k6biAzIgaSA/m/ZEGRw4WCDgAJ>
Odd how 13 years of the prior 20 years summed to “just”:1.16M, whereas >>>> how his cars 2.9%
claim meant up to ~$3M for just the other 7
years…even before recalling how later years
were “95%” retired. YMMV on if the upper limit parameterizing was overly generous…or if
someone else’s numbers were a tad misleading.
Caught you in another lie in addition to your Roth conversion lie that
you have not acknowledged.
how income can be
manipulated YoY, which is why it said “…not unlike…”.
I looked up the original. You actually edited that comment, leaving outNo, the quotation was done correctly. The prior sentence wasn't included
the first sentence!
because it wasn't
quantitatively relevant to the context of your fiscal claim.
Here is the actual comment, note that first sentence:
"Of course I'm not going to give you my annual income history.["]
So what? Because you did then proceed to provide a *sum* of your income history.
for a ~14 year period, as noted:
["]Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income before taxes $1.16 million,But you characterized it as TOTAL GROSS income.
expenses $250k..."
That was not total income, just consulting.
Gross includes everything, as per GAAP as well as the IRS's 1040 form, where it is listed
on line 9, whose sum includes IRA (line 4), pensions (line 5), Social
Security (line 6), etc.
So are you lying now, or back then?
You are still not going to get annual income details.Don't need to, for all I was doing was pointing out the implausibility
that you earned ~twice
as much in 7 years than you did over 14 years ... which would be ~4x annualized, and yet
somehow never bragged about this quadruple increase during any of those years.
From 2002 we were both getting salaries early on, a substantial 2003 "golden parachute",So if we are to believe your herein revised claims, the aforementioned $1.41M gross on
retirement plan income from 2003, and Social Security from 2011, capital gains, and some
dividend income. TOTAL 2002-2017 income was $3.1 million.
supposedly just your consulting means that your non-consulting income sources summed
to ($3.1M - $1.41M) = $1.69M for what's now 16 years ... that's an
average of just $100K/yr,
of which we know a good chunk is seven years worth of Social Security payments: at a
simple swag of $30K/pp * two persons * seven years, that's $420K, so the remainder is
$1.27M, for an average of ~$80K/yr for the sum of all non-SS/non-consulting sources.
Net consulting before taxes was $1.3 million in 2020, the last year IVersus $1.16M after 2016, so just $1.3M-$1.16M
had active projects.
= $140K for 2017-20 inclusive, foran average of $35K/yr ... seems that the old "95% retired" comment had been pretty
much spot-on, as at your $250-$275/hr rate, its just ~3.5 weeks/year.
I was already tapering down as RMD income started and planning transitioning some
investments from capital appreciation to income funds. Of that $1.3 million $544k
was contributed to the 401k ...
Meaning a (0.544/1.3) = 40% reduction in taxable net 'income then, which enables
making a '+50% higher' spin attempt all the easier to meet now.
...and $302k has been paid out in RMDs starting in 2016.
For 8 years, that's <$38K/yr. Using a simple average RMD of 4% and ignoring >> QCDs, it means that the average 401k/IRA balances has been around $950K.
Despite the RMDs the total investments have continued to appreciate.But is that really saying much? Because the Markets were up by IIRC roughly +15%,
yet RMDs at age 77 are just 4.4%
PLEASE stop lying.
I'm not; I'm merely quantitatively calling you out when you try to spin
cherry-picked half truths.
You are the one who cherry-picks, and confused. The 1.41 clearly referred
to consulting only.
FYI 2003-2023 gross , IRS basis, was $4.3 million. Keep up please!
The 4.5x referred to net worth, not earnings! I have you spinning in circles.
The RMDs come from 5 different qualified accounts, not just my former 401k, now an IRA.
The long term S&P average is 6-7%/year. That's the number I'm looking at, not just 2023.
Hmm..
Looks like another two posts on GG hasn’t disseminated. Reproducing 1/17 posts:
On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 6:44:35 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
Hmm..
Looks like my response on GG hasn’t disseminated. Repost.
Thomas E. <thomas...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:59:24 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:Silence from Tommy.
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 8:52:39 AM UTC-5, Thomas E. wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 9:59:05 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:False, for I never said it was only a Roth: I was drawing an analogy for >> how income can be
On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 7:21:20 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
On 2024-01-07 04:31, -hh wrote:Plus there’s always more. Something else I stumbled across was this from April 2017:
Our priorities may be different.Of course they are ... yet that hasn't stopped you from trying to >>>>>> criticize others' choices.
And not just criticize:
Criticize from utter ignorance.
:-)
“Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income before
taxes $1.16 million,
expenses $250k. Lest you think that impossible, quite a bit of that >>>> income did not involve
travel. Some of the travel was paid direct by the project sponsor, and >>>> is not included in the
gross income. That would include airline tickets for quite a few of >>>> the international trips,
some hotels, and lots of meals.”
< https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/k6biAzIgaSA/m/ZEGRw4WCDgAJ>
Odd how 13 years of the prior 20 years summed to “just”:1.16M, whereas
how his cars 2.9%
claim meant up to ~$3M for just the other 7
years…even before recalling how later years
were “95%” retired. YMMV on if the upper limit parameterizing was
overly generous…or if
someone else’s numbers were a tad misleading.
Caught you in another lie in addition to your Roth conversion lie that >>> you have not acknowledged.
manipulated YoY, which is why it said “…not unlike…”.
Silence from Tommy.I looked up the original. You actually edited that comment, leaving out >>> the first sentence!No, the quotation was done correctly. The prior sentence wasn't included >> because it wasn't
quantitatively relevant to the context of your fiscal claim.
Here is the actual comment, note that first sentence:
"Of course I'm not going to give you my annual income history.["]
So what? Because you did then proceed to provide a *sum* of your income history.
for a ~14 year period, as noted:
["]Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income beforeBut you characterized it as TOTAL GROSS income.
taxes $1.16 million,
expenses $250k..."
That was not total income, just consulting.
Gross includes everything, as per GAAP as well as the IRS's 1040
form, where it is listed
on line 9, whose sum includes IRA (line 4), pensions (line 5), Social
Security (line 6), etc.
So are you lying now, or back then?
Which is not a statement on Net Worth changes.You are still not going to get annual income details.Don't need to, for all I was doing was pointing out the implausibility >> that you earned ~twice
as much in 7 years than you did over 14 years ... which would be ~4x
annualized, and yet
somehow never bragged about this quadruple increase during any of those years.
/sFrom 2002 we were both getting salaries early on, a substantialSo if we are to believe your herein revised claims, the aforementioned $1.41M gross on
2003 "golden parachute",
retirement plan income from 2003, and Social Security from 2011,
capital gains, and some
dividend income. TOTAL 2002-2017 income was $3.1 million.
supposedly just your consulting means that your non-consulting income sources summed
to ($3.1M - $1.41M) = $1.69M for what's now 16 years ... that's an
average of just $100K/yr,
of which we know a good chunk is seven years worth of Social Security payments: at a
simple swag of $30K/pp * two persons * seven years, that's $420K, so the remainder is
$1.27M, for an average of ~$80K/yr for the sum of all non-SS/non-consulting sources.
Net consulting before taxes was $1.3 million in 2020, the last year I >>> had active projects.Versus $1.16M after 2016, so just $1.3M-$1.16M
= $140K for 2017-20 inclusive, foran average of $35K/yr ... seems that the old "95% retired" comment had been pretty
much spot-on, as at your $250-$275/hr rate, its just ~3.5 weeks/year. “Tapering” … quantified. Or in demand from just one last faithful client
I was already tapering down as RMD income started and planning transitioning some
investments from capital appreciation to income funds. Of that $1.3 million $544k
was contributed to the 401k ...
Meaning a (0.544/1.3) = 40% reduction in taxable net 'income then, which enables
making a '+50% higher' spin attempt all the easier to meet now.
...and $302k has been paid out in RMDs starting in 2016.
For 8 years, that's <$38K/yr. Using a simple average RMD of 4% and ignoring
QCDs, it means that the average 401k/IRA balances has been around $950K. >>> Despite the RMDs the total investments have continued to appreciate.
But is that really saying much? Because the Markets were up by IIRC roughly +15%,
yet RMDs at age 77 are just 4.4%
PLEASE stop lying.
I'm not; I'm merely quantitatively calling you out when you try to spin >> cherry-picked half truths.
You are the one who cherry-picks, and confused. The 1.41 clearly referred to consulting only.Nope: you represented it in 2017 as your TOTAL GROSS income with no such qualifiers.
FYI 2003-2023 gross , IRS basis, was $4.3 million. Keep up please!Just what definition of “gross” are you using here? For example, is that
before
or after deductible business expenses (such as the $250K already mentioned)?
Oh and FYI, I see you’ve chosen to change your claim’s timeline yet again:
“[April 2017] Total gross since 2003 has been $1.41 million, net income before taxes $1.16 million, expenses $250k.”
“2002-2017 income was $3.1 million.”
“2003-2023 gross, IRS basis, was $4.3 million.”
This last one added six years (2018-2023), but also apparently dropped 2002: a mistake,
or an interesting but effectively futile obfuscation attempt on your brag attempt?
The 4.5x referred to net worth, not earnings! I have you spinning in circles.I said 4x, not 4.5x, because I wasn't referring to Net Worth changes.
The RMDs come from 5 different qualified accounts, not just my former 401k, now an IRA.Irrelevant, because you gave a sum total of their RMDs: 4% of ($20K+$20K+$20K
+$20K+$20K) [etc] is mathematically the same as 4% of ($100K).
The long term S&P average is 6-7%/year. That's the number I'm looking
at, not just 2023.
Yet 6-7% is still greater than 4% RMDs, so mathematically, growth is still expected.
As such, just what is your unusual and profound claim that you’re trying to
make?
In Florida for a while and not at home in that awful weather up there.
Lots to do outside down here in Naples.
You have all the pieces, but attempts to piece it all together are laughable.
You still do not understand the strategy or how it all fits together.
Nor will I give it to you in one post. You are not as smart as you think you are.
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