Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. Total
unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique driver entries are 14 OW
and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in 2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to getting back this year.
Not so much?
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC.
Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical
for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique
driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last
year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to
getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy!
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, 36
hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some CAP
hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return flight
from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument approach into
Indy Metro. Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost
to my 80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable,
but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test
checkride before the end of September.
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. Total
unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical for an
entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique driver entries
are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last year
of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in 2021-22. Have
you retired? I thought you were looking forward to getting back this
year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy!
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, 36
hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some CAP hours,
and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return flight from
Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument approach into Indy
Metro.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my
80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but those
are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test checkride
before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in April.
Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will be up
on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie and do
some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just passed my Part
107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA refresher, and good for
another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near future too!
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to Calgary
then flying home from there. August takes us to France, Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from Zurich. Ten day trip in
all. So still traveling too.
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that, at
least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going anywhere
outside Canada this year?
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC.
Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical
for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique
driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last
year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to
getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy!
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, 36
hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some CAP
hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return flight
from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument approach into
Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my 80th
birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but those
are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test checkride
before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in April.
Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will be
up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie and
do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just passed my
Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA refresher, and
good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near future
too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to Calgary
then flying home from there. August takes us to France, Luxembourg
and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from Zurich. Ten day
trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day
Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that, at
least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going anywhere
outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment here
was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be making up for
our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it all went as had
been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. Cancelled outright, or
even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class instead of Coach on all of
that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve balls;
this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while one's body (&
finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do what one wishes.
Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a car is no longer
trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained to guided tours on
cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the aforementioned
Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of ($7500+air)/pp, so
it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally breaking out of his prior
fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised. Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the Fairmont
Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff Springs.
Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one of the people,
a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died very suddenly. The
wife has to cancel. It may still be an open reservation for two.
Interested? Starts July 20.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights on our
own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a week
with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up there, only
about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY nice restaurant or
two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a splurge
but not that different from many prior years.
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so
that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k
all-in.
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind.
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have a 1+
hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC.
Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical >>>>>>> for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique
driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last
year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to >>>>>>> getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy!
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, 36
hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some CAP
hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return flight
from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument approach
into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my 80th
birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but those
are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test checkride
before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available at: >>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will
be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie
and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not back. >>>>
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France,
Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from
Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day
Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that,
at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going
anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment here
was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be making up
for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it all went as
had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. Cancelled
outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class instead of
Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while one's
body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do what one
wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a car is no
longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained to guided
tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the aforementioned
Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of ($7500+air)/pp,
so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally breaking out of his
prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised. Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff
Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one of
the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died very
suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open reservation
for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that start
date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month that we're
out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not that this rail
journey would really have much), so not enough pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights on
our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of
varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end tour
than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a
week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks
in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So
without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so
that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k
all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross
the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind.1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ...
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have a
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone else
is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out
in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily
in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging
way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You will never experience that.
On 7/10/24 10:51 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. >>>>>>>> Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical >>>>>>>> for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique
driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last >>>>>>>> year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to >>>>>>>> getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months,
36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some
CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return
flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument
approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my
80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but >>>>>> those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test
checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available at: >>>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will >>>>>> be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie
and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not
back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France,
Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from
Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day
Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that, >>>>>> at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going
anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment here >>>>> was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be making up
for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it all went
as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. Cancelled
outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class instead of
Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while
one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do
what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a car
is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained to
guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of
($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised.
Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff
Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one of
the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died very
suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open
reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month that
we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not that
this rail journey would really have much), so not enough pre-trip
prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights on
our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of
varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end
tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a
week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks
in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So
without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so
that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k >>> > all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross
the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the controls. >>>
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind.1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ...
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have a
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone
else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out
in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily
in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
Irrelevant, because you have no other choice. Ditto for going up to go
to the bathroom.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging
way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You
will never experience that.
You should have said "never again", because you've not recalled my
comment from a 2011 post which is germane:
"Personally, I've not had sufficient stick time to have much of a strong opinion, but enough to know a few things and ask a few questions."
Plus I've also mentioned that I had had a coworker who was trying to encourage me to get my ticket and buy his C172...remember?
There might even be a few random comments from my even older analog RC aircraft days.
-hh
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC.
Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical >>>>>>> for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique
driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last
year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to >>>>>>> getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy!
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, 36
hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some CAP
hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return flight
from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument approach
into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my 80th
birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but those
are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test checkride
before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available at: >>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will
be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie
and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not back. >>>>
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France,
Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from
Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day
Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that,
at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going
anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment here
was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be making up
for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it all went as
had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. Cancelled
outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class instead of
Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while one's
body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do what one
wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a car is no
longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained to guided
tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the aforementioned
Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of ($7500+air)/pp,
so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally breaking out of his
prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised. Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff
Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one of
the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died very
suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open reservation
for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that start
date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month that we're
out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not that this rail
journey would really have much), so not enough pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights on
our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of
varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end tour
than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a
week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks
in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So
without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so
that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k
all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross
the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind.1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ...
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have a
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone else
is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out
in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily
in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging
way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You will never experience that.
On 7/10/2024 1:22 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-10 07:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. >>>>>>>>> Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are
typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 >>>>>>>>> unique driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years. >>>>>>>>>
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last >>>>>>>>> year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward >>>>>>>>> to getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, >>>>>>> 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some
CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return >>>>>>> flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument
approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my
80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable,
but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills
test checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available >>>>>>> at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It
will be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie >>>>>>> and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not
back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France,
Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from
Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day >>>>>> Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to
that, at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022.
Going anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment
here was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be
making up for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it >>>>>> all went as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed.
Cancelled outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class
instead of Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while
one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do
what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a
car is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained
to guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of
($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised.
Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff
Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one
of the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died
very suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open
reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month
that we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not
that this rail journey would really have much), so not enough
pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights
on our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of
varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end
tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a
week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks
in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So
without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>> > that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k >>>> > all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross
the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the
controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind. >>>> > Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you havea 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ... >>>>
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone
else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book... >>>>
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out
in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily
in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front
seat. You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and
engaging way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a
vacation. You will never experience that.
Flying if done properly is utterly boring once you're in cruise.
And your personal experience with pilot in command on long cross country trips is how many hours? Passengers are supposed to be bored. If they
are not you are not a very good pilot.
Yet another Alan Baker lie based on zero personal experience.
On 7/10/2024 3:22 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/10/24 10:51 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. >>>>>>>>> Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are
typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 >>>>>>>>> unique driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years. >>>>>>>>>
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last >>>>>>>>> year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward >>>>>>>>> to getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, >>>>>>> 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some
CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return >>>>>>> flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument
approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my
80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable,
but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills
test checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available >>>>>>> at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It
will be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie >>>>>>> and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not
back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France,
Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from
Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day >>>>>> Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to
that, at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022.
Going anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment
here was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be
making up for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it >>>>>> all went as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed.
Cancelled outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class
instead of Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while
one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do
what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a
car is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained
to guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of
($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised.
Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff
Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one
of the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died
very suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open
reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month
that we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not
that this rail journey would really have much), so not enough
pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights
on our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of
varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end
tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a
week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks
in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So
without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>> > that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k >>>> > all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross
the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the
controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind. >>>> > Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you havea 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ... >>>>
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone
else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book... >>>>
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out
in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily
in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
Irrelevant, because you have no other choice. Ditto for going up to
go to the bathroom.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging
way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You
will never experience that.
You should have said "never again", because you've not recalled my
comment from a 2011 post which is germane:
"Personally, I've not had sufficient stick time to have much of a
strong opinion, but enough to know a few things and ask a few questions."
Plus I've also mentioned that I had had a coworker who was trying to
encourage me to get my ticket and buy his C172...remember?
There might even be a few random comments from my even older analog RC
aircraft days.
-hh
Not irrelevant at all. I do it BECAUSE I love and value every minute as
pilot in command. We plan our air trips just like you plan car trips, including potty stops. No big deal. Most are within the bathroom break window, but with an airplane like N182SV that has up to 6-7 hours
endurance it can be an issue to be planned for.
I have no issue that your preferences are different. My issue is you projecting your preferences to others, including yours truly.
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to
that too. Flying is flying. :)
On 7/10/2024 1:22 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-10 07:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. >>>>>>>>> Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical >>>>>>>>> for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique >>>>>>>>> driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records.
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last >>>>>>>>> year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in
2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to >>>>>>>>> getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, >>>>>>> 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some
CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return >>>>>>> flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument
approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my
80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but >>>>>>> those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test
checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available at: >>>>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on
programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will >>>>>>> be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie >>>>>>> and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising
speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not
back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France,
Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from
Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day >>>>>> Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that, >>>>>>> at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going
anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment here >>>>>> was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be making up
for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it all went
as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. Cancelled
outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class instead of >>>>>> Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while
one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do
what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a car >>>>>> is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained to
guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of
($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised.
Yay, you!.
-hh
travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes
several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff
Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one of >>>>> the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died very >>>>> suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open
reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month that >>>> we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not that
this rail journey would really have much), so not enough pre-trip
prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights on >>>>> our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of
varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end
tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a
week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks
in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So
without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so
that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k >>>>> all-in.
{merge}
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross
the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the controls. >>>>
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind.1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ...
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have a
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone
else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book... >>>>
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out
in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily
in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging
way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You
will never experience that.
Flying if done properly is utterly boring once you're in cruise.
And your personal experience with pilot in command …
…on long cross country trips is how many hours? Passengers are
supposed to be bored. If they are not you are not a very good pilot.
Yet another Alan Baker lie based on zero personal experience.
On 2024-07-15 10:47, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2024 3:22 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/10/24 10:51 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from >>>>>> travel that I did not include in a prior post.
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. >>>>>>>>>> Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are
typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 >>>>>>>>>> unique driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years. >>>>>>>>>>
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records. >>>>>>>>>>
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last >>>>>>>>>> year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in >>>>>>>>>> 2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward >>>>>>>>>> to getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, >>>>>>>> 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some >>>>>>>> CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return >>>>>>>> flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument >>>>>>>> approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my >>>>>>>> 80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, >>>>>>>> but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills
test checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel available >>>>>>>> at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on >>>>>>>> programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It
will be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie >>>>>>>> and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just
passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA
refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising >>>>>>> speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not >>>>>>> back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France, >>>>>>>> Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from >>>>>>>> Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day >>>>>>> Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to
that, at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022.
Going anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment
here was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be
making up for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it >>>>>>> all went as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed.
Cancelled outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class >>>>>>> instead of Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s >>>>>>>
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while
one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do >>>>>>> what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a
car is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained >>>>>>> to guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of >>>>>>> ($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised. >>>>>>> Yay, you!.
-hh
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes >>>>>> several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff >>>>>> Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one
of the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died >>>>>> very suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open
reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month
that we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not
that this rail journey would really have much), so not enough
pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights
on our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of >>>>> varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end
tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a >>>>>> week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up
there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks >>>>> in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the
Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So >>>>> without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida
bit (next below):
{merge}
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to
include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>>>> that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k >>>>>> all-in.
{merge}
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross >>>>> the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the
controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind. >>>>>> Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you havea 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ... >>>>>
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone
else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book... >>>>>
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out >>>>> in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily >>>>> in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
Irrelevant, because you have no other choice. Ditto for going up to
go to the bathroom.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging
way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You
will never experience that.
You should have said "never again", because you've not recalled my
comment from a 2011 post which is germane:
"Personally, I've not had sufficient stick time to have much of a
strong opinion, but enough to know a few things and ask a few questions." >>>
Plus I've also mentioned that I had had a coworker who was trying to
encourage me to get my ticket and buy his C172...remember?
There might even be a few random comments from my even older analog RC
aircraft days.
Not irrelevant at all. I do it BECAUSE I love and value every minute as
pilot in command. We plan our air trips just like you plan car trips,
including potty stops.
No big deal. Most are within the bathroom break
window, but with an airplane like N182SV that has up to 6-7 hours
endurance it can be an issue to be planned for.
I have no issue that your preferences are different. My issue is you
projecting your preferences to others, including yours truly.
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to
that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is
about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about
your taste.
On 7/15/2024 3:34 PM, -hh wrote:
Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:22 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-10 07:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for to-from >>>>>>> travel that I did not include in a prior post.
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at SBBC. >>>>>>>>>>> Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are typical >>>>>>>>>>> for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 unique >>>>>>>>>>> driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior years. >>>>>>>>>>>
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records. >>>>>>>>>>>
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None last >>>>>>>>>>> year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 in >>>>>>>>>>> 2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking forward to >>>>>>>>>>> getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, >>>>>>>>> 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some >>>>>>>>> CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return >>>>>>>>> flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument >>>>>>>>> approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my >>>>>>>>> 80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, but >>>>>>>>> those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills test >>>>>>>>> checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in >>>>>>>>> April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel
available at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on >>>>>>>>> programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It will >>>>>>>>> be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in Muncie >>>>>>>>> and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also just >>>>>>>>> passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license FAA >>>>>>>>> refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too.
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near >>>>>>>>> future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising >>>>>>>> speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not >>>>>>>> back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to >>>>>>>>> Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France, >>>>>>>>> Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from >>>>>>>>> Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve day >>>>>>>> Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to that, >>>>>>>>> at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. Going >>>>>>>>> anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment here >>>>>>>> was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be making up >>>>>>>> for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that it all went >>>>>>>> as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. Cancelled >>>>>>>> outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class instead of >>>>>>>> Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve >>>>>>>> balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while >>>>>>>> one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do >>>>>>>> what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a car >>>>>>>> is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained to >>>>>>>> guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of >>>>>>>> ($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised. >>>>>>>> Yay, you!.
-hh
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before >>>>>> and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes >>>>>>> several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to Banff >>>>>>> Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2. Sadly, one of >>>>>>> the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to go but died very >>>>>>> suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be an open
reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month that >>>>>> we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not that
this rail journey would really have much), so not enough pre-trip
prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights on >>>>>>> our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, localFigured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000. >>>>>>
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from, of >>>>>> varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher end
tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend a >>>>>>> week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up >>>>>>> there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY >>>>>>> nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3 weeks >>>>>> in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect that the >>>>>> Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are quite
variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when driving. So >>>>>> without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024, including the Florida >>>>>> bit (next below):
{merge}
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to >>>>>>> include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>>>>> that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe $3-4k >>>>>>> all-in.
{merge}
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to cross >>>>>> the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at the
controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind. >>>>>>> Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have a >>>>>> 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ... >>>>>>TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone >>>>>> else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a
book...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them out >>>>>> in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit easily >>>>>> in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat. >>>>> You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and engaging >>>>> way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a vacation. You
will never experience that.
Flying if done properly is utterly boring once you're in cruise.
And your personal experience with pilot in command …
Why is the goalpost set here by Tom as nothing short of “pilot in
charge”?
Be specific in trying to justify this. Good luck!
…on long cross country trips is how many hours? Passengers are
supposed to be bored. If they are not you are not a very good pilot.
Particularly since this statement makes it clear that being a
passenger is
a valid experiential perspective to judge if a flight was “boring”
(uneventful) for those same passengers.
Yet another Alan Baker lie based on zero personal experience.
Ignoring Tommy’s fake qualifications requirement to include passenger BIS >> hours, it’s certainly not a zero. Likewise for other CSMA readers,
some of
which probably have more BIS miles than Tommy does…
-hh
You have no meaningful experience. You are just projecting to another
based on your personal experience and preferences. You are not me.
On 7/10/2024 4:05 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-10 12:22, -hh wrote:
On 7/10/24 10:51 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at
SBBC. Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These are >>>>>>>>>> typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June 2024 >>>>>>>>>> unique driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half prior >>>>>>>>>> years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records. >>>>>>>>>>
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None >>>>>>>>>> last year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 >>>>>>>>>> in 2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking
forward to getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6 months, >>>>>>>> 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to Georgia, some >>>>>>>> CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The Christmas return >>>>>>>> flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home and an instrument >>>>>>>> approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my >>>>>>>> 80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, >>>>>>>> but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills
test checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in
April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel
available at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on >>>>>>>> programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It
will be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in
Muncie and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also >>>>>>>> just passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license
FAA refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too. >>>>>>>>
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near
future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph cruising >>>>>>> speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond once...but not >>>>>>> back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to
Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France, >>>>>>>> Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from >>>>>>>> Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve
day Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to
that, at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022.
Going anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment
here was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be
making up for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that
it all went as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have changed. >>>>>>> Cancelled outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in First Class >>>>>>> instead of Coach on all of that year's international flights! /s >>>>>>>
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve
balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while
one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to do >>>>>>> what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting a
car is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly constrained >>>>>>> to guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark of >>>>>>> ($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally
breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long advised. >>>>>>> Yay, you!.
-hh
to-from travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned before
and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It includes >>>>>> several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights in the
Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior to
Banff Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2.
Sadly, one of the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to
go but died very suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still be >>>>>> an open reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month
that we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not
that this rail journey would really have much), so not enough
pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights
on our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, local
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000.
Figured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from,
of varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher
end tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend
a week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us up >>>>>> there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a VERY
nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3
weeks in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect
that the Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates are
quite variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when
driving. So without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024,
including the Florida bit (next below):
{merge}
;$3-4k
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to >>>>> > include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>>> > that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe
all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to
cross the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at
the controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with no headwind. >>>>> > Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them you have >>>>> a 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA hassles, ... >>>>>TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone
else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a book... >>>>>
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna
luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them
out in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit
easily in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat.
Irrelevant, because you have no other choice. Ditto for going up to
go to the bathroom.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and
engaging way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a
vacation. You will never experience that.
You should have said "never again", because you've not recalled my
comment from a 2011 post which is germane:
"Personally, I've not had sufficient stick time to have much of a
strong opinion, but enough to know a few things and ask a few
questions."
Plus I've also mentioned that I had had a coworker who was trying to
encourage me to get my ticket and buy his C172...remember?
There might even be a few random comments from my even older analog
RC aircraft days.
-hh
Our Tommie has what I would term a very "convenient" memory.
13 years ago was quite a while back
On 7/15/2024 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-15 10:47, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2024 3:22 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/10/24 10:51 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:Irrelevant, because you have no other choice. Ditto for going up to
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at >>>>>>>>>>> SBBC. Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These >>>>>>>>>>> are typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June >>>>>>>>>>> 2024 unique driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half >>>>>>>>>>> prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records. >>>>>>>>>>>
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None >>>>>>>>>>> last year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 >>>>>>>>>>> in 2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking >>>>>>>>>>> forward to getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6
months, 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to
Georgia, some CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The >>>>>>>>> Christmas return flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home >>>>>>>>> and an instrument approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my >>>>>>>>> 80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, >>>>>>>>> but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills >>>>>>>>> test checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in >>>>>>>>> April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel
available at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on >>>>>>>>> programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It >>>>>>>>> will be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in
Muncie and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also >>>>>>>>> just passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license >>>>>>>>> FAA refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too. >>>>>>>>>
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near >>>>>>>>> future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph
cruising speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond
once...but not back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to >>>>>>>>> Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France, >>>>>>>>> Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from >>>>>>>>> Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve >>>>>>>> day Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to >>>>>>>>> that, at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. >>>>>>>>> Going anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment >>>>>>>> here was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be
making up for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that >>>>>>>> it all went as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have
changed. Cancelled outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in >>>>>>>> First Class instead of Coach on all of that year's international >>>>>>>> flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve >>>>>>>> balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while >>>>>>>> one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to >>>>>>>> do what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting >>>>>>>> a car is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly
constrained to guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark >>>>>>>> of ($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally >>>>>>>> breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long
advised. Yay, you!.
-hh
to-from travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned
before and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It
includes several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights >>>>>>> in the Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior >>>>>>> to Banff Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2.
Sadly, one of the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to >>>>>>> go but died very suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still
be an open reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month
that we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not
that this rail journey would really have much), so not enough
pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights >>>>>>> on our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, localFigured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000. >>>>>>
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from,
of varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher
end tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend >>>>>>> a week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us
up there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a
VERY nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3
weeks in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect
that the Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates
are quite variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when
driving. So without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024,
including the Florida bit (next below):
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;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to >>>>>> > include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>>>> > that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe >>>>>> $3-4k
all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to
cross the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at
the controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with noheadwind.
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them youhave a 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA
hassles, ...
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone >>>>>> else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a
book...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna >>>>>> > luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them
out in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit >>>>>> easily in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front seat. >>>>
go to the bathroom.
You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and
engaging way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a
vacation. You will never experience that.
You should have said "never again", because you've not recalled my
comment from a 2011 post which is germane:
"Personally, I've not had sufficient stick time to have much of a
strong opinion, but enough to know a few things and ask a few
questions."
Plus I've also mentioned that I had had a coworker who was trying to
encourage me to get my ticket and buy his C172...remember?
There might even be a few random comments from my even older analog
RC aircraft days.
-hh
Not irrelevant at all. I do it BECAUSE I love and value every minute
as pilot in command. We plan our air trips just like you plan car
trips, including potty stops. No big deal. Most are within the
bathroom break window, but with an airplane like N182SV that has up
to 6-7 hours endurance it can be an issue to be planned for.
I have no issue that your preferences are different. My issue is you
projecting your preferences to others, including yours truly.
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to
that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is
about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about
your taste.
LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a
commercial jet. Not comparable.
What would you take on a long trip that
is more comfortable than an aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I
suppose a ship could be, but very slow.
On 7/15/2024 1:45 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-15 10:37, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2024 1:22 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-10 07:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/6/2024 4:42 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/5/24 2:19 PM, Tom Elam wrote (plus merged posts):
On 6/28/2024 8:04 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/28/24 11:10 AM, Tom Elam wrote:Ten was a wrong number for Europe. It IS 12 days plus 2 for
On 6/27/2024 3:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2024-06-25 10:34, Tom Elam wrote:
Dear Alan,
Last year, 2023, April-June, there 3 weekends, 9 races at >>>>>>>>>>> SBBC. Total unique CW driver entries were 97, OW 37. These >>>>>>>>>>> are typical for an entire season for 2021-2023. In April-June >>>>>>>>>>> 2024 unique driver entries are 14 OW and 49 CW, about half >>>>>>>>>>> prior years.
These stats are from the SBBC season championship records. >>>>>>>>>>>
Wow, quite the drop. What's going on, Alan?
And, BTW, you entered 11 out of a 71 2021-2024 races. None >>>>>>>>>>> last year of course, but also none this year and 11 out of 34 >>>>>>>>>>> in 2021-22. Have you retired? I thought you were looking >>>>>>>>>>> forward to getting back this year. Not so much?
So great to see you taking such an interest in my life, Liarboy! >>>>>>>>>>
I wonder if I might take a little interest in yours.
Done much flying lately?
Well, yes. Two very different flavors. Full scale last 6
months, 36 hours logged including 2 family visit trips to
Georgia, some CAP hours, and just passed a VFR checkride. The >>>>>>>>> Christmas return flight from Georgia was IFR all the way home >>>>>>>>> and an instrument approach into Indy Metro.
Christmas of 2023, of course.
Now good for 2 another years on my BFR, taking me almost to my >>>>>>>>> 80th birthday. At this time I am also IFR current and capable, >>>>>>>>> but those are perishable skills. I'll be taking an IFR skills >>>>>>>>> test checkride before the end of September.
RC model flying has been active since the weather improved in >>>>>>>>> April. Some of that is documented on my YouTube channel
available at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvZXi-36GQkeHr0FdB4cTg
My latest YT video is rendering as I write this. That one is on >>>>>>>>> programming my 3 meter Fox sailplane for solo hand launch. It >>>>>>>>> will be up on the channel by end of today.
Tomorrow I am scheduled to go to the AMA annual Fun Fly in
Muncie and do some instructing with beginning RC pilots. I also >>>>>>>>> just passed my Part 107 Remote Pilot/commercial drone license >>>>>>>>> FAA refresher, and good for another 2 on that front years too. >>>>>>>>>
So yes, done a lot of flying. Some airline flying in the near >>>>>>>>> future too!
Because even 36 hours droning along at a Cessna's 125mph
cruising speed is just 4500 miles: enough to cross the pond
once...but not back.
We will be flying to Vancouver next month to catch a train to >>>>>>>>> Calgary then flying home from there. August takes us to France, >>>>>>>>> Luxembourg and a Viking river cruise to Basel. Flying home from >>>>>>>>> Zurich. Ten day trip in all. So still traveling too.
Oh, so now its a ten day trip for what previously was a twelve >>>>>>>> day Paris-Rhine cruise claimed back in February? /s
How about you, doing any racing lately? I know the answer to >>>>>>>>> that, at least for SBBC events. Null, zero, nada since 2022. >>>>>>>>> Going anywhere outside Canada this year?
Life invariably takes different turns. My last travel comment >>>>>>>> here was in early 2023, that we were looking (in 2023) to be
making up for our CoVid travel lull, but that doesn't mean that >>>>>>>> it all went as had been hoped for: indeed, it could have
changed. Cancelled outright, or even perhaps upgraded to be in >>>>>>>> First Class instead of Coach on all of that year's international >>>>>>>> flights! /s
Same applies for 2024 as well, for life invariably throws curve >>>>>>>> balls; this is why the advice was to 'do the hard stuff' while >>>>>>>> one's body (& finances) are healthy enough to be still able to >>>>>>>> do what one wishes. Otherwise, one can be pushing 80 and renting >>>>>>>> a car is no longer trivial, so one can get increasingly
constrained to guided tours on cruise ships.
In any event, a week on the Rocky Mountaineer and the
aforementioned Rhine cruise sounds to be in the rough ballpark >>>>>>>> of ($7500+air)/pp, so it does seem like Tommy is perhaps finally >>>>>>>> breaking out of his prior fiscal constraint, as I'd long
advised. Yay, you!.
-hh
to-from travel that I did not include in a prior post.
But also plus +3 days pre-tour in Paris, as you've mentioned
before and mentioned again below.
The Canada trip is a package tour via a local company. It
includes several side trips, most meals, air, and several nights >>>>>>> in the Fairmont Banff Springs and others of similar quality prior >>>>>>> to Banff Springs. Check the rates on that hotel. $11,990 for 2.
Sadly, one of the people, a good friend at that, was scheduled to >>>>>>> go but died very suddenly. The wife has to cancel. It may still
be an open reservation for two. Interested? Starts July 20.
We've been meaning to get back to the Canadian Rockies, but that
start date hits a schedule conflict. Plus we learned last month
that we're out of shape for any decent hiking in the Rockies (not
that this rail journey would really have much), so not enough
pre-trip prep time either.
The Europe trip including air is a bit over $10,000 plus 3 nights >>>>>>> on our own in a Paris hotel at $300/night, plus meals, localFigured about that, as a cabin on Viking is ~$3800/pp on its own.
transportation and sundries. Likely to also come to about $12,000. >>>>>>
Your $7,500 pp is spot-on but includes airfare.
As you know, there's several rail journey options to choose from,
of varying lengths; I'd conservatively parameterized to a higher
end tour than what you actually chose.
We also just this week scheduled a trip to Luddington MI to spend >>>>>>> a week with some good friends at their cabin. I'll be flying us
up there, only about $600 R/T for air plus taking them out to a
VERY nice restaurant or two.
We also have the annual ski trip of course. 2024 is a bit of a
splurge but not that different from many prior years.
I've not chatted skiing lately with a colleague who spends 2-3
weeks in Vail each season to know current rates, but I'd expect
that the Epic is still just ~$1K/pp and that condo/AirBNB rates
are quite variable. Even so, $10K probably covers ~3 weeks when
driving. So without the ski trip, ballpark $25K for 2024,
including the Florida bit (next below):
{merge}
;
Second reply. I just updated the 2024 travel diary and forgot to >>>>>> > include 2 January Florida weeks. We stayed with friends week 1, so >>>>>> > that kept the cost down. I think the whole trip was only maybe >>>>>> $3-4k
all-in.
{merge}
;
Back again. FYI the club 182 cruises at 160+ mph, not 125.
So its an 5,760 miles upper limit. That's still not enough to
cross the pond & back...and one still can't nap (safely) when at
the controls.
It's a little over 2.5 hours including taxi time, with noheadwind.
Delta makes it in 1:30 of droning on in a B737 but them youhave a 1+ > hour drive to my sister's place in Woodstock, TSA
hassles, ...
TSA Pre makes airport security pretty trivial. And since someone >>>>>> else is driving, its easy to take a nap, watch a movie, read a
book...
... and what do we do with all the Christmas presents in Cessna >>>>>> > luggage compartment? 🙂
Have Amazon send them direct to final destination. Or ship them
out in advance via FedEx, USPS, or UPS. Or small gifts which fit >>>>>> easily in one's pocket, and/or a small carry-on bag.
-hh
I NEVER feel the need to nap when I'm in the aircraft left front
seat. You have no clue, do you? Flying yourself is an exciting and
engaging way to get there that adds a whole new dimension to a
vacation. You will never experience that.
Flying if done properly is utterly boring once you're in cruise.
And your personal experience with pilot in command on long cross
country trips is how many hours? Passengers are supposed to be bored.
If they are not you are not a very good pilot.
Yet another Alan Baker lie based on zero personal experience.
Please, Liarboy.
What "excites" you in cruise on a cross country trip?
With zero experience you would never understand. I'm not even going to
bother answering.
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to
that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is
about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about
your taste.
LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a
commercial jet. Not comparable.
Fun fact: a bus on a highway is moving a lot closer to a Cessna's
cruise speed than a Cessna is to a commercial jet, which makes the bus
must *more* comparable to the Cessna.
Similarly, the windows on a bus & Cessna are much larger than a 737
jet's "porthole", & have more forward views.
What would you take on a long trip that is more comfortable than an
aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I suppose a ship could be, but
very slow.
I'm reminded of and joke that some of my former military (and later 747) pilot friends have told me:
One day, a fighter jock pulls up next to a 747 to have a chat. He
proceeds with a "watch this!", showing the 747 a loop, barrel roll, etc.
Then the 747 pilot responds with his own "watch this".
Time passes as the jock just is watching the 747 cruising along straight
& level. After 15 minutes, the 747 pilot comes back on the radio and
says "well how did you like that?".
Jock replies: "how did I like .. what?"
747 pilot explains: "Well, I switched to auto-pilot, then got up and
went to the bathroom. Then I stopped & brewed a fresh cup of coffee and
had that while I stretched my legs..." :-)
Remind us how long the corridor is in a Cessna, Tommy. Oh, and headroom
to stand up in the cabin too.
I have no issue that your preferences are different. My issue is you
projecting your preferences to others, including yours truly.
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to
that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is
about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about
your taste.
LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a
commercial jet.
Not comparable. What would you take on a long trip that
is more comfortable than an aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I
suppose a ship could be, but very slow.
Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-16 07:08, -hh wrote:
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to >>>>>> that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is >>>>> about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about >>>>> your taste.
LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a
commercial jet. Not comparable.
Fun fact: a bus on a highway is moving a lot closer to a Cessna's
cruise speed than a Cessna is to a commercial jet, which makes the bus
must *more* comparable to the Cessna.
Similarly, the windows on a bus & Cessna are much larger than a 737
jet's "porthole", & have more forward views.
What would you take on a long trip that is more comfortable than an
aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I suppose a ship could be, but
very slow.
I'm reminded of and joke that some of my former military (and later 747) >>> pilot friends have told me:
One day, a fighter jock pulls up next to a 747 to have a chat. He
proceeds with a "watch this!", showing the 747 a loop, barrel roll, etc. >>>
Then the 747 pilot responds with his own "watch this".
Time passes as the jock just is watching the 747 cruising along straight >>> & level. After 15 minutes, the 747 pilot comes back on the radio and
says "well how did you like that?".
Jock replies: "how did I like .. what?"
747 pilot explains: "Well, I switched to auto-pilot, then got up and
went to the bathroom. Then I stopped & brewed a fresh cup of coffee and >>> had that while I stretched my legs..." :-)
Remind us how long the corridor is in a Cessna, Tommy. Oh, and headroom
to stand up in the cabin too.
The amazing part for me was Tommie suggesting that flying in economy on
an airliner was somehow something to be looked forward to...
...for the FLYING ITSELF!
If that really is the case, then he’d better never ever choose an aisle seat ;-P
On 2024-07-16 07:08, -hh wrote:
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to >>>>> that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is
about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about
your taste.
LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a
commercial jet. Not comparable.
Fun fact: a bus on a highway is moving a lot closer to a Cessna's
cruise speed than a Cessna is to a commercial jet, which makes the bus
must *more* comparable to the Cessna.
Similarly, the windows on a bus & Cessna are much larger than a 737
jet's "porthole", & have more forward views.
What would you take on a long trip that is more comfortable than an
aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I suppose a ship could be, but
very slow.
I'm reminded of and joke that some of my former military (and later 747)
pilot friends have told me:
One day, a fighter jock pulls up next to a 747 to have a chat. He
proceeds with a "watch this!", showing the 747 a loop, barrel roll, etc.
Then the 747 pilot responds with his own "watch this".
Time passes as the jock just is watching the 747 cruising along straight
& level. After 15 minutes, the 747 pilot comes back on the radio and
says "well how did you like that?".
Jock replies: "how did I like .. what?"
747 pilot explains: "Well, I switched to auto-pilot, then got up and
went to the bathroom. Then I stopped & brewed a fresh cup of coffee and
had that while I stretched my legs..." :-)
Remind us how long the corridor is in a Cessna, Tommy. Oh, and headroom
to stand up in the cabin too.
The amazing part for me was Tommie suggesting that flying in economy on
an airliner was somehow something to be looked forward to...
...for the FLYING ITSELF!
The amazing part for me was Tommie suggesting that flying in economy on >>>> an airliner was somehow something to be looked forward to...
...for the FLYING ITSELF!
If that really is the case, then he’d better never ever choose an aisle >>> seat 😜
Oh, and one more thing:
Fun fact: the cruising velocity of a cruise ship is closer to that of a
Cessna than a Cessna’s velocity is to a commercial jet (eg 737).
And yes, a cruise will take longer to go the same distance (of
course), but
it’s not only more comfortable, but the food is much better (& there’s a >> private bath)…and no layovers at Denver or Chicago while en route.
IIRC, the longest cruise we’ve taken to date was a bit over 2500 miles.
-hh
OK, checking Expedia for a cruise from Carmel to Luddington MI. Website
can't find that, or a direct commercial airline itinerary either.
Indy International to Muskegon/return is about $600 each on our travel
dates and the scheduled trip time alone is about 7-12 hours on the
flight schedule via ORD plus the drive to Ludington and having to be at
the airport 1-2 hours ahead each way. It's a 2.5 hour Cessna flight with about an hour each way to get to the airport, load up and get airborne.
The aircraft will cost about $650 to rent, about half airfare. A
variable is weather, but with my IFR rating I can very likely work
around that. The airlines are hardly 100% reliable either.
Our Santiago to Fort Lauderdale trip was about 4,800 miles, and the food
was excellent. Stops were OK, but the Canal was the highlight.
On 7/17/2024 9:09 PM, -hh wrote:
-hh wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-16 07:08, -hh wrote:
On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to >>>>>>>> that too. Flying is flying. :)
That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is >>>>>>> about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about >>>>>>> your taste.
LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a >>>>>> commercial jet. Not comparable.
Fun fact: a bus on a highway is moving a lot closer to a Cessna's
cruise speed than a Cessna is to a commercial jet, which makes the bus >>>>> must *more* comparable to the Cessna.
Similarly, the windows on a bus & Cessna are much larger than a 737
jet's "porthole", & have more forward views.
What would you take on a long trip that is more comfortable than an >>>>>> aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I suppose a ship could be, but >>>>>> very slow.
I'm reminded of and joke that some of my former military (and later 747) >>>>> pilot friends have told me:
One day, a fighter jock pulls up next to a 747 to have a chat. He
proceeds with a "watch this!", showing the 747 a loop, barrel roll, etc. >>>>>
Then the 747 pilot responds with his own "watch this".
Time passes as the jock just is watching the 747 cruising along straight >>>>> & level. After 15 minutes, the 747 pilot comes back on the radio and >>>>> says "well how did you like that?".
Jock replies: "how did I like .. what?"
747 pilot explains: "Well, I switched to auto-pilot, then got up and >>>>> went to the bathroom. Then I stopped & brewed a fresh cup of coffee and >>>>> had that while I stretched my legs..." :-)
Remind us how long the corridor is in a Cessna, Tommy. Oh, and headroom >>>>> to stand up in the cabin too.
The amazing part for me was Tommie suggesting that flying in economy on >>>> an airliner was somehow something to be looked forward to...
...for the FLYING ITSELF!
If that really is the case, then he’d better never ever choose an aisle >>> seat ;-P
Oh, and one more thing:
Fun fact: the cruising velocity of a cruise ship is closer to that of a
Cessna than a Cessna’s velocity is to a commercial jet (eg 737).
And yes, a cruise will take longer to go the same distance (of course), but >> it’s not only more comfortable, but the food is much better (& there’s a >> private bath)…and no layovers at Denver or Chicago while en route.
IIRC, the longest cruise we’ve taken to date was a bit over 2500 miles.
-hh
OK, checking Expedia for a cruise from Carmel to Luddington MI. Website
can't find that, or a direct commercial airline itinerary either.
Indy International to Muskegon/return is about $600 each on our travel
dates and the scheduled trip time alone is about 7-12 hours on the
flight schedule via ORD plus the drive to Ludington and having to be at
the airport 1-2 hours ahead each way.
It's a 2.5 hour Cessna flight with
about an hour each way to get to the airport, load up and get airborne.
The aircraft will cost about $650 to rent, about half airfare. A
variable is weather, but with my IFR rating I can very likely work
around that. The airlines are hardly 100% reliable either.
Our Santiago to Fort Lauderdale trip was about 4,800 miles, and the food
was excellent. Stops were OK, but the Canal was the highlight.
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