"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
That's what salmon looks like at the grocery store!
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 >> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced >> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
-hh
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ... Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and
leapfrog everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily copied
the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
It˘s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an ´early leadˇ to market when the tech change hasn˙t adequately matured isn˙t really worth that much:
thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it: use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
(eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty typical of how Apple tends to operate.
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 >>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced >>> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
badgolferman wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:04:28 -0000 (UTC) :
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was >> asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
Itขs just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be), for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
You have to ask why Apple is two generations behind Google (who is not standing still), where it's the same question to ask why Apple is something like five generations behind Qualcomm on 5G modem design (who also isn't standing still).
Why is Apple consistently behind on almost all emergent smartphone tech? Could it be because Apple doesn't actually spend (for its size) in R&D?
-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:01:25 -0400 :
Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an “early lead” to market when
the tech change hasn´t adequately matured isn´t really worth that much:
thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it: >> use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
(eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty >> typical of how Apple tends to operate.
It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android.
Name just one.
We'll wait...
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be), >> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
You have to ask why Apple is two generations behind Google (who is not
standing still), where it's the same question to ask why Apple is something >> like five generations behind Qualcomm on 5G modem design (who also isn't
standing still).
But Apple is using the best 5G chips, because they˘re buying them from Qualcomm. Do keep in mind that not every last component has to strictly be created & fabbed in-house.
Why is Apple consistently behind on almost all emergent smartphone tech?
Could it be because Apple doesn't actually spend (for its size) in R&D?
Or it could be just Apple's standards for approving a commercial product to ship are higher than their peers.
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
AirTags?
Name just one.
We'll wait...
Non sequitur.
Because what is the origin of this claim that Apple can only be successful
in the marketplace if they do nothing less than ´leapfroggingˇ?
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
Which is why I asked you for a substantiating citation of what you˙re
trying to use as a goalpost: due diligence requires that you didn˙t try to disingenuously move said goalposts.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
It’s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:06:24 -0400 :
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be), >>> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
Since I'm a rather well educated reasonably intelligent well-informed
adult, ...
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the >> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past,
oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
On 7/20/24 10:14 PM, Andrew wrote:
-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:06:24 -0400 :
While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly
be), for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually
considered bad.
That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
Since I'm a rather well educated reasonably intelligent well-informed
adult, ...
Tangible evidence of the veracity of that claim is severely lacking.
[snip]
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the >> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
-hh
On 2024-07-21, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past,
oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
Projection.
Also, it's "knew".
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
On 7/21/24 1:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-07-21, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, >>>>> oh, five years?
Already done:Â the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
Projection.
Also, it's "knew".
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
His bloomers are showing...again.
The problem that "Andrew" is having is a belief that no one company can
be successful unless they personally make every last component totally in-house and that every last S&T project will immediately be fully
successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs.
And it illustrates that "Andrew" has never worked professionally on
anything close to this stuff.
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the >>> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years? >>Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one fact.
Your entire strongly held belief system is based on exactly zero facts.
Given the reason Apple can't innovate due to Apple's historically paltry spend on R&D (and yet, Apple's spend on Marketing is enormous), it's not surprising that Apple hasn't been able to design a folding iPhone.
As a result of the low R&D spend, Apple is years behind all others in tech.
HINT: Integrated 5G modem design, GPUs, CPUs (sans unpatchable flaws), etc.
Apple is reportedly working on foldable iPhones and iPads, but, as
usual, isn't going to release anything until it leapfrogs the other
makers ... in this case by eliminating the ugly crease down the display
and having devices flod out flat instead of having a small bulge in the spine.
If those issues cannot be fixed to Apple's staisfaction, they won't
bother releasing foldable devices at all and leave that niche market
segment to the lesser quality brands.
On 7/21/24 1:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-07-21, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:45 -0400 :
Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships
with the iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, >>>>> oh, five years?
Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.
I new you would never be able to back up your claim with even one
fact.
Projection.
Also, it's "knew".
You'd think someone as bright as you claim to be would know that.
His bloomers are showing...again.
The problem that "Andrew" is having is a belief that no one company can
be successful unless they personally make every last component totally in-house and that every last S&T project will immediately be fully
successful as originally envisioned.
Reality for both is quite distant from these beliefs.
And it illustrates that "Andrew" has never worked professionally on
anything close to this stuff.
-hh
Your Name wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:10:24 +1200 :
Apple is reportedly working on foldable iPhones and iPads, but, as
usual, isn't going to release anything until it leapfrogs the other
makers ... in this case by eliminating the ugly crease down the display
and having devices flod out flat instead of having a small bulge in the
spine.
If those issues cannot be fixed to Apple's staisfaction, they won't
bother releasing foldable devices at all and leave that niche market
segment to the lesser quality brands.
How far behind is Apple in integrated 5G modem design, Your Name?
Ten years?
Do you think had Apple spent their money on R&D instead of on marketing,
that Apple would have only been five years behind Android in 5G modems?
If not, why do you think Apple is always five to ten years behind Android?
It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious >>> zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating >>> even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the >>> iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android.
Name just one.
We'll wait...
HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up. >>>
AirTags?
Yup. Nothing comes close.
Not in the last five years, that's quite short period of time in such a mature industry, but also AirPods (& Pros) and FaceID.
You ignore the effect that the Apple M series CPU has had on the laptop space. The race to convert to Snapdragon is well underway. The A series
phone CPU is no slouch either. Then there is that whole Apple support network. In my extensive Android experience there was NOTHING like that.
Tom Elam wrote on Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:29:35 -0400 :
You ignore the effect that the Apple M series CPU has had on the laptop
space. The race to convert to Snapdragon is well underway. The A series
phone CPU is no slouch either. Then there is that whole Apple support
network. In my extensive Android experience there was NOTHING like that.
Bear in mind I use iPhones and iPads and Android phones every day where you'll never hear me disagree with any sensibly logical stated viewpoint.
The main difference between me and most of the people who post to the Apple newsgroups is I don't believe every word that Apple claims in
advertisements - and - in fact - I see how much Apple lies in its
marketing.
To your points though...
What I like about the highly flawed (unpatchable) M-series CPUs is that it put Intel on notice that they'd better improve their chip design output.
In that sense, I completely agree with you, and I agree with Apple's
strategy (as they tried with Qualcomm) to divorce themselves from others.
It's a crapshoot as to what Apple's strategy is with smartphone CPUs as
there are plenty of indications it's purely a (brilliant) marketing ploy.
Suffice to say that Android phones leapfrog Apple iPhones regularly, just
as Apple iPhones leapfrog Android phones regularly - where I strongly
suspect it would be the case no matter which CPU Apple/Android used.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:[snip]
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >>>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024 >>>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches).
Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Perfect.
In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a description of the suburbs.
It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 02:01 this Sunday (GMT):
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:[snip]
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been >>>>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI >>>>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D. >>>>
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches).
Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-31 05:50:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
As far as I can find, the only people who actually like AI are those
making money from creating it or pointlessly adding it to every product
they sell to get gullible to upgrade yet again. :-\
In the chess and backgammon worlds, AI or the neural net as it used to be called, has long since overtaken any human player and are looked upon as
the standard when it comes to analyzing moves.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-07-31 05:50:03 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote at 02:01 this Sunday (GMT):
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:[snip]
On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have beenBut how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the >>>>>> shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI >>>>>>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D. >>>>>>
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
uttinf
Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ...
Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches). >>>> Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.
Yeah, I personally dislike AI.
As far as I can find, the only people who actually like AI are those
making money from creating it or pointlessly adding it to every product
they sell to get gullible to upgrade yet again. :-\
"AI" has so many different meanings that it depends on who you ask.
Most "AI" is some form of statistical modelling - ML, ANN, DL, CNN - which has been around for decades and is very powerful & useful. In the right context.
Trying to disentangle real AI - oxymoron? - versus snakeoil "AI" is tricky. Even in the scientific community there's little distinction by the funders, propagating the uncertainty.
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