Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer 2025
driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes - "The
committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for informal
discussions about working collaboratively. There are many hurdles to consider to race at Area 27."
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer 2025
driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes - "The
committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for informal
discussions about working collaboratively. There are many hurdles to
consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
You are mentioned in my quotes?
You have a SCCBC leadership
role?
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best you can do.
On 7/10/2025 6:10 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-09 17:14, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer 2025
driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes - "The
committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for informal
discussions about working collaboratively. There are many hurdles
to consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
Yes, really.
You are mentioned in my quotes?
Did you decide to crawl through the SCCBC website out of personal
interest in joining the club?
You have a SCCBC leadership role?
I used to. I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee...
...which is odd for someone you've claimed is such a bad racing driver.
:-)
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
Is that the only criterion for someone to have been stalking?
You say you're in the Civil Air Patrol (and behave as if that is
actual military service, but that's for another day), so it's fine if
I post any details I can find online about your particular branch of
the CAP?
I mean as long as it's false, there's nothing wrong with it, right?
Just checking, it's this branch, right:
<https://inwg.cap.gov>
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best you can
do.
Sad that the best you can do is spend your retirement years whining
about a guy who would kick your ass in any car any day of the week.
Just for fun, revisiting old threads and I came across this gem from
the Liarboy:
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
I fully realize that CAP is not the same as USAF. Feel free to post
about CAP. My "branch" is Indiana Wing.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what, 10
years? Pitiful.
I was wondering why SCCBC race participation has declined recently. I
was not looking for anything about you. That would be a waste of time.
You are not, and have not, featured in the minutes. You have no club leadership role. You are not even racing anymore.
On 7/13/2025 1:29 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-13 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:10 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-09 17:14, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer
2025 driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes - >>>>>>> "The committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for
informal discussions about working collaboratively. There are
many hurdles to consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
Yes, really.
You are mentioned in my quotes?
Did you decide to crawl through the SCCBC website out of personal
interest in joining the club?
You have a SCCBC leadership role?
I used to. I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee...
...which is odd for someone you've claimed is such a bad racing driver. >>>>
:-)
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
Is that the only criterion for someone to have been stalking?
You say you're in the Civil Air Patrol (and behave as if that is
actual military service, but that's for another day), so it's fine
if I post any details I can find online about your particular branch
of the CAP?
I mean as long as it's false, there's nothing wrong with it, right?
Just checking, it's this branch, right:
<https://inwg.cap.gov>
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best you
can do.
Sad that the best you can do is spend your retirement years whining
about a guy who would kick your ass in any car any day of the week.
Just for fun, revisiting old threads and I came across this gem from
the Liarboy:
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
I fully realize that CAP is not the same as USAF. Feel free to post
about CAP. My "branch" is Indiana Wing.
I notice you didn't address your own admission that flying is mostly
boring.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what, 10
years? Pitiful.
Look at the goalpost drag and the point ignored!
First off, you were talking about "leadership role[s]" and chairman of
the RDC is definitely one of those. Suddenly, you shift to talking
about any roles. So yes: 1 leadership role in my 13 years at the
track. Not bad considering how few members play ANY role
But if you now want to talk about ANY roles, well I was also on the
track improvement committee for a while (before it became moot because
our landlord decided to take over the operation and maintenance of the
road course).
And then there's the fact that this whole tete-a-tete springs from
your insistence that I'm somehow a terrible racing driver...
...which would be a very strange thing to be while also not only being
a race driving instructor, but chairman of the RDC.
:-)
I was wondering why SCCBC race participation has declined recently. I
was not looking for anything about you. That would be a waste of
time. You are not, and have not, featured in the minutes. You have no
club leadership role. You are not even racing anymore.
You were looking at the SCCBC's site solely BECAUSE of me, Liarboy.
You went stalking and despite you're not finding anything about me,
that is still what you were doing.
Your paranoia is exceeded only by your narcissism. All about you.
On 2025-07-16 12:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/13/2025 1:29 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-13 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:10 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-09 17:14, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer
2025 driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes >>>>>>>> - "The committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for >>>>>>>> informal discussions about working collaboratively. There are >>>>>>>> many hurdles to consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
Yes, really.
You are mentioned in my quotes?
Did you decide to crawl through the SCCBC website out of personal
interest in joining the club?
You have a SCCBC leadership role?
I used to. I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee...
...which is odd for someone you've claimed is such a bad racing
driver.
:-)
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
Is that the only criterion for someone to have been stalking?
You say you're in the Civil Air Patrol (and behave as if that is
actual military service, but that's for another day), so it's fine
if I post any details I can find online about your particular
branch of the CAP?
I mean as long as it's false, there's nothing wrong with it, right?
Just checking, it's this branch, right:
<https://inwg.cap.gov>
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best you
can do.
Sad that the best you can do is spend your retirement years whining
about a guy who would kick your ass in any car any day of the week.
Just for fun, revisiting old threads and I came across this gem
from the Liarboy:
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
I fully realize that CAP is not the same as USAF. Feel free to post
about CAP. My "branch" is Indiana Wing.
I notice you didn't address your own admission that flying is mostly
boring.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what, 10
years? Pitiful.
Look at the goalpost drag and the point ignored!
First off, you were talking about "leadership role[s]" and chairman
of the RDC is definitely one of those. Suddenly, you shift to talking
about any roles. So yes: 1 leadership role in my 13 years at the
track. Not bad considering how few members play ANY role
But if you now want to talk about ANY roles, well I was also on the
track improvement committee for a while (before it became moot
because our landlord decided to take over the operation and
maintenance of the road course).
And then there's the fact that this whole tete-a-tete springs from
your insistence that I'm somehow a terrible racing driver...
...which would be a very strange thing to be while also not only
being a race driving instructor, but chairman of the RDC.
:-)
I was wondering why SCCBC race participation has declined recently.
I was not looking for anything about you. That would be a waste of
time. You are not, and have not, featured in the minutes. You have
no club leadership role. You are not even racing anymore.
You were looking at the SCCBC's site solely BECAUSE of me, Liarboy.
You went stalking and despite you're not finding anything about me,
that is still what you were doing.
Your paranoia is exceeded only by your narcissism. All about you.
Liarboy... ...at least try to be honest about the obvious facts.
Fact: the ONLY reason you've ever visited SCCBC is because I'm involved.
I doubt you have ever visited any other amateur road racing site in your entire, miserable existence.
On 7/16/25 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/13/2025 1:29 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-13 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:10 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-09 17:14, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer >>>>>>>>> 2025 driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes >>>>>>>>> - "The committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for >>>>>>>>> informal discussions about working collaboratively. There are >>>>>>>>> many hurdles to consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
Yes, really.
You are mentioned in my quotes?
Did you decide to crawl through the SCCBC website out of personal
interest in joining the club?
You have a SCCBC leadership role?
I used to. I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee...
...which is odd for someone you've claimed is such a bad racing
driver.
:-)
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
Is that the only criterion for someone to have been stalking?
You say you're in the Civil Air Patrol (and behave as if that is
actual military service, but that's for another day), so it's fine >>>>>> if I post any details I can find online about your particular
branch of the CAP?
I mean as long as it's false, there's nothing wrong with it, right? >>>>>>
Just checking, it's this branch, right:
<https://inwg.cap.gov>
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best you >>>>>>> can do.
Sad that the best you can do is spend your retirement years
whining about a guy who would kick your ass in any car any day of
the week.
Just for fun, revisiting old threads and I came across this gem
from the Liarboy:
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
I fully realize that CAP is not the same as USAF. Feel free to post
about CAP. My "branch" is Indiana Wing.
I notice you didn't address your own admission that flying is mostly
boring.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what,
10 years? Pitiful.
Look at the goalpost drag and the point ignored!
First off, you were talking about "leadership role[s]" and chairman
of the RDC is definitely one of those. Suddenly, you shift to
talking about any roles. So yes: 1 leadership role in my 13 years at
the track. Not bad considering how few members play ANY role
But if you now want to talk about ANY roles, well I was also on the
track improvement committee for a while (before it became moot
because our landlord decided to take over the operation and
maintenance of the road course).
And then there's the fact that this whole tete-a-tete springs from
your insistence that I'm somehow a terrible racing driver...
...which would be a very strange thing to be while also not only
being a race driving instructor, but chairman of the RDC.
:-)
I was wondering why SCCBC race participation has declined recently.
I was not looking for anything about you. That would be a waste of
time. You are not, and have not, featured in the minutes. You have
no club leadership role. You are not even racing anymore.
You were looking at the SCCBC's site solely BECAUSE of me, Liarboy.
You went stalking and despite you're not finding anything about me,
that is still what you were doing.
Your paranoia is exceeded only by your narcissism. All about you.
Liarboy... ...at least try to be honest about the obvious facts.
Fact: the ONLY reason you've ever visited SCCBC is because I'm involved.
I doubt you have ever visited any other amateur road racing site in
your entire, miserable existence.
And heaven forgive if Tommy sees any opportunity to overshare brag on
other things, such as what he tries to do with travel if I've commented.
FWIW, found out yesterday that we've apparently had some moths into our closet where I keep my business suits. Time to head to the tailor to be measured for a new one, as its going to be needed for an upcoming event.
On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/13/2025 1:29 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-13 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:10 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-09 17:14, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer >>>>>>>>> 2025 driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June minutes >>>>>>>>> - "The committee is focusing on possibly meeting with BCCCA for >>>>>>>>> informal discussions about working collaboratively. There are >>>>>>>>> many hurdles to consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
Yes, really.
You are mentioned in my quotes?
Did you decide to crawl through the SCCBC website out of personal
interest in joining the club?
You have a SCCBC leadership role?
I used to. I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee...
...which is odd for someone you've claimed is such a bad racing
driver.
:-)
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
Is that the only criterion for someone to have been stalking?
You say you're in the Civil Air Patrol (and behave as if that is
actual military service, but that's for another day), so it's fine >>>>>> if I post any details I can find online about your particular
branch of the CAP?
I mean as long as it's false, there's nothing wrong with it, right? >>>>>>
Just checking, it's this branch, right:
<https://inwg.cap.gov>
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best you >>>>>>> can do.
Sad that the best you can do is spend your retirement years
whining about a guy who would kick your ass in any car any day of
the week.
Just for fun, revisiting old threads and I came across this gem
from the Liarboy:
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
I fully realize that CAP is not the same as USAF. Feel free to post
about CAP. My "branch" is Indiana Wing.
I notice you didn't address your own admission that flying is mostly
boring.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what,
10 years? Pitiful.
Look at the goalpost drag and the point ignored!
First off, you were talking about "leadership role[s]" and chairman
of the RDC is definitely one of those. Suddenly, you shift to
talking about any roles. So yes: 1 leadership role in my 13 years at
the track. Not bad considering how few members play ANY role
But if you now want to talk about ANY roles, well I was also on the
track improvement committee for a while (before it became moot
because our landlord decided to take over the operation and
maintenance of the road course).
And then there's the fact that this whole tete-a-tete springs from
your insistence that I'm somehow a terrible racing driver...
...which would be a very strange thing to be while also not only
being a race driving instructor, but chairman of the RDC.
:-)
I was wondering why SCCBC race participation has declined recently.
I was not looking for anything about you. That would be a waste of
time. You are not, and have not, featured in the minutes. You have
no club leadership role. You are not even racing anymore.
You were looking at the SCCBC's site solely BECAUSE of me, Liarboy.
You went stalking and despite you're not finding anything about me,
that is still what you were doing.
Your paranoia is exceeded only by your narcissism. All about you.
Liarboy... ...at least try to be honest about the obvious facts.
Fact: the ONLY reason you've ever visited SCCBC is because I'm involved.
I doubt you have ever visited any other amateur road racing site in
your entire, miserable existence.
Actually, I have. SCCA, Road America, Mid-Ohio (where a friend raced a Corvette), Formula Race Promotions, Toyo Tires F1600 Championship
Series, BRSCC, and others.
On 2025-07-17 05:45, -hh wrote:
...
...And heaven forgive if Tommy sees any opportunity to overshare brag on
other things, such as what he tries to do with travel if I've commented.
Yup.
FWIW, found out yesterday that we've apparently had some moths into
our closet where I keep my business suits. Time to head to the tailor
to be measured for a new one, as its going to be needed for an
upcoming event.
Arggh.
Hope you didn't lose anything you particularly liked.
On 7/17/25 12:24, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-17 05:45, -hh wrote:
...
...And heaven forgive if Tommy sees any opportunity to overshare brag on
other things, such as what he tries to do with travel if I've commented.
Yup.
Its merely a matter of when, not if. Looks like he may have already
slipped a subtle one already in this afternoon on a different thread.
FWIW, found out yesterday that we've apparently had some moths into
our closet where I keep my business suits. Time to head to the
tailor to be measured for a new one, as its going to be needed for an
upcoming event.
Arggh.
Hope you didn't lose anything you particularly liked.
Not really. The suit that I like the most is too small now, hence going
to the tailor to be measured for a new one. Fun trivia is that my one
arm is apparently longer than the other...?
For the moth hole bit, its a fairly unnoticeable location to begin withI have one suit, and... ...I think two blazers to my name, and I wear
and the tailor said its minor & can be patched just fine which will let
me get some more years out of it, and gives me a bit more freedom for
what pattern I want to pick for the new one (we've already selected the basics; I pick up the fabrics pattern book tomorrow).
While I'm at it, I need to be check through my blazers too. They've been workhorses, with some having gone through dry-cleaning enough times to
have shrunk by nearly a full size, so some are due too; may as well have
at least new one made at the same time while I'm at it.
On 7/17/2025 8:18 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-17 14:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/16/2025 3:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-16 12:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/13/2025 1:29 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-13 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/10/2025 6:10 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-09 17:14, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/30/2025 4:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-06-30 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
Membership and Open Wheel participation are declining. Summer >>>>>>>>>>> 2025 driver training was cancelled. Quote from the June
minutes - "The committee is focusing on possibly meeting with >>>>>>>>>>> BCCCA for informal discussions about working collaboratively. >>>>>>>>>>> There are many hurdles to consider to race at Area 27."
Wow! You really ARE a stalker!
Really?
Yes, really.
You are mentioned in my quotes?
Did you decide to crawl through the SCCBC website out of
personal interest in joining the club?
You have a SCCBC leadership role?
I used to. I was chairman of the Race Drivers Committee...
...which is odd for someone you've claimed is such a bad racing >>>>>>>> driver.
:-)
You deny that anything stated in my quotes is false?
Is that the only criterion for someone to have been stalking?
You say you're in the Civil Air Patrol (and behave as if that is >>>>>>>> actual military service, but that's for another day), so it's
fine if I post any details I can find online about your
particular branch of the CAP?
I mean as long as it's false, there's nothing wrong with it, right? >>>>>>>>
Just checking, it's this branch, right:
<https://inwg.cap.gov>
No to all. Just another deflection. Sad that this is the best >>>>>>>>> you can do.
Sad that the best you can do is spend your retirement years
whining about a guy who would kick your ass in any car any day >>>>>>>> of the week.
Just for fun, revisiting old threads and I came across this gem >>>>>>>> from the Liarboy:
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
I fully realize that CAP is not the same as USAF. Feel free to
post about CAP. My "branch" is Indiana Wing.
I notice you didn't address your own admission that flying is
mostly boring.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what, >>>>>>> 10 years? Pitiful.
Look at the goalpost drag and the point ignored!
First off, you were talking about "leadership role[s]" and
chairman of the RDC is definitely one of those. Suddenly, you
shift to talking about any roles. So yes: 1 leadership role in my
13 years at the track. Not bad considering how few members play
ANY role
But if you now want to talk about ANY roles, well I was also on
the track improvement committee for a while (before it became moot >>>>>> because our landlord decided to take over the operation and
maintenance of the road course).
And then there's the fact that this whole tete-a-tete springs from >>>>>> your insistence that I'm somehow a terrible racing driver...
...which would be a very strange thing to be while also not only
being a race driving instructor, but chairman of the RDC.
:-)
I was wondering why SCCBC race participation has declined
recently. I was not looking for anything about you. That would be >>>>>>> a waste of time. You are not, and have not, featured in the
minutes. You have no club leadership role. You are not even
racing anymore.
You were looking at the SCCBC's site solely BECAUSE of me, Liarboy. >>>>>>
You went stalking and despite you're not finding anything about
me, that is still what you were doing.
Your paranoia is exceeded only by your narcissism. All about you.
Liarboy... ...at least try to be honest about the obvious facts.
Fact: the ONLY reason you've ever visited SCCBC is because I'm
involved.
I doubt you have ever visited any other amateur road racing site in
your entire, miserable existence.
Actually, I have. SCCA, Road America, Mid-Ohio (where a friend raced
a Corvette), Formula Race Promotions, Toyo Tires F1600 Championship
Series, BRSCC, and others.
Riiiiiiiiight.
True, I have.
On 7/21/2025 10:48 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-07-20 13:31, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/13/2025 1:29 PM, Alan wrote:
I notice you didn't address your own admission that flying is mostly
boring.
I do not remember flying being boring. Ever. Well, airline flying,
but I am not in the left front seat.
You were chairman of the Driver's Committee? That's all, in what,
10 years? Pitiful.
Look at the goalpost drag and the point ignored!
First off, you were talking about "leadership role[s]" and chairman
of the RDC is definitely one of those. Suddenly, you shift to
talking about any roles. So yes: 1 leadership role in my 13 years at
the track. Not bad considering how few members play ANY role
We have 510 adult and 903 cadet Indiana members.
Let's see, in my 21 years I have been Wing Director of Operations
(aviation), Wing Finance Officer, Finance Committee Member, Squadron
Commander, Counterdrug Officer and currently Operations Director
(Cadet Orientation Flights). All of those are leadership roles. I
have rarely not had a Wing level leadership position. I was appointed
Wing Finance Officer 2 years after joining.
Very few members have leader roles across the entire Wing.
I reiterate, one role in 16 years is not much leadership
participation. Does the organization not perceive you as a leader or
is it lack of interest on your part?
Wow. Basic arithmetic isn't your strong suit, is it?
Wow, leadership isn't your strong suit, is it?
On 7/29/2025 12:42 PM, Alan wrote:
I missed that you said this.
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
What does that mean other than that flying in and of itself is
often boring?
I always have a purpose when I go up.
So, never gets old. But
flying with no purpose is an expensive waste of time. Still
interesting, but what's the purpose? After over 50 years at it and
having lived in the same area for 46 years there is little I have
not seen or done around here.
On 8/6/2025 1:31 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-06 10:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 7/29/2025 12:42 PM, Alan wrote:
I missed that you said this.
"Aircraft flying without a purpose gets old quick."
What does that mean other than that flying in and of itself is
often boring?
I always have a purpose when I go up.
Riiiiiiiight.
So, never gets old. But
flying with no purpose is an expensive waste of time. Still
interesting, but what's the purpose? After over 50 years at it and
having lived in the same area for 46 years there is little I have
not seen or done around here.
So why did you say it in the first place?
Why can't you admit the obvious, Liarboy?
Road racing requires almost continuous focus with absolutely no time
for sightseeing.
Flying is a fine thing to do, but it doesn't require continuous focus.
You are twisting my words, again.
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