Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
While every iPhone lacks basic hardware, most of Android has it.
This Android search shows 2,114 Android phones with the sd slot included.
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That's out of 3205 Android phones (if I remove the sd slot criteria).<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
That means 66% of Android phones out there still have the sd slot hardware.
Out of 223 Samsung Android phones currently being sold today
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Out of those 223, 165 have the sd slot, which is 74% of Samsung phones.
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As for Sony's 22 models currently sold today, 100% have the sd slot.
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There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware functionality?
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I went
on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the videos and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the computer.
I had to play around with several apps and/or local network connections to transfer all the files from both phones, especially large videos, to the computer by WiFi. Then I had to sort them, delete ones we didn’t like, rename them to something which makes sense.
If we had SD slots I could have just saved all my pictures to the card, handed her the card next to save all her pictures to it, copy them to the computer. Then arrange and rename them using a real keyboard and finally
copy whatever we wanted back to the phones.
Using an SD card to get the files on the computer and back to the phone
would have been much easier and intuitive.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware
functionality?
While every iPhone lacks basic hardware, most of Android has it.
This Android search shows 2,114 Android phones with the sd slot included.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
That's out of 3205 Android phones (if I remove the sd slot criteria).
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
That means 66% of Android phones out there still have the sd slot hardware. >>
Out of 223 Samsung Android phones currently being sold today
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
Out of those 223, 165 have the sd slot, which is 74% of Samsung phones.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
As for Sony's 22 models currently sold today, 100% have the sd slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I went
on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the videos and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the computer.
I had to play around with several apps and/or local network connections to transfer all the files from both phones, especially large videos, to the computer by WiFi. Then I had to sort them, delete ones we didn’t like, rename them to something which makes sense.
If we had SD slots I could have just saved all my pictures to the card, handed her the card next to save all her pictures to it, copy them to the computer. Then arrange and rename them using a real keyboard and finally
copy whatever we wanted back to the phones.
Using an SD card to get the files on the computer and back to the phone
would have been much easier and intuitive.
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware
functionality?
It isn't. Because its not the year 2005.
If 65% (and dropping) of Android phones have it, how is that an "industry standard"?
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 03:14:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware
functionality?
It isn't. Because its not the year 2005.
If 65% (and dropping) of Android phones have it, how is that an "industry
standard"?
Fact: Most Android phones have sd card slots.
Assessment: They don't put them there for no reason.
Fact: All iPhones have no sd card slots.
Assessment: Apple isn't stupid. Apple didn't put it for a reason.
Fact: Without the sd slot, you can't do a *lot* that you can with it. Assessment: Apple is glad to provide you, for a fee, something close.
Apple isn't stupid.
The reason the slot doesn't exist is so that you'll buy it back from Apple.
On Jul 22, 2025 at 11:03:20 PM EDT, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I went >> on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the videos >> and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the computer.
That's because you don't have iPhones and iCloud.
I had to play around with several apps and/or local network connections to >> transfer all the files from both phones, especially large videos, to the
computer by WiFi. Then I had to sort them, delete ones we didn’t like,
rename them to something which makes sense.
That's because you don't have iPhones and iCloud.
If we had SD slots I could have just saved all my pictures to the card,
handed her the card next to save all her pictures to it, copy them to the
computer. Then arrange and rename them using a real keyboard and finally
copy whatever we wanted back to the phones.
That is WAY more complicated. And manual. Not automatic. The whole point of computers and networks is to AUTOMATE chores like this.
Using an SD card to get the files on the computer and back to the phone
would have been much easier and intuitive.
That's funny. My wife and I combine photos all the time without using antique hardware. That's because we have modern hardware. We have iPhones and iPads.
She texts me the photos or videos, I save them (using my iPhone or iPad). These ALL get automatically downloaded to my Windows PCs AND my Macs.
Or I can text her MY photos, she saves them (using her iPhone or iPad) and they all get automatically downloaded to HER Windows PC.
Done.
Why you want to fiddle around manually swapping antique cards is a mystery.
But then, we live in the 21st century. You and Arlen are still stuck in 2005.
On 23 Jul 2025 15:32:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can.
But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
On 23 Jul 2025 15:32:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can.
On 2025-07-22 21:55, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 03:14:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware
functionality?
It isn't. Because its not the year 2005.
If 65% (and dropping) of Android phones have it, how is that an "industry >>> standard"?
Fact: Most Android phones have sd card slots.
Assessment: They don't put them there for no reason.
Fact: Fewer and fewer Android phones have SD cards slots.
2022: 598 Android phones: 398 with SD card slots (66.6%)
2023: 497 Android phones: 308 with SD card slots (61.9%)
2024: 562 Android phones: 329 with SD card slots (58.5%)
Seeing a trend yet?
On 23 Jul 2025 15:32:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 21:47:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Correct. iPhones do it faster, better and AUTOMATICALLY.But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can. >>
But DO continue to live in 2005 and manually dick around with "memory cards".
That's the only way this "point" works.
The question to ask is WHY did Apple take away your choice of hardware?
On Jul 23, 2025 at 1:30:34 AM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-22 21:55, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 03:14:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware >>>>> functionality?
It isn't. Because its not the year 2005.
If 65% (and dropping) of Android phones have it, how is that an "industry >>>> standard"?
Fact: Most Android phones have sd card slots.
Assessment: They don't put them there for no reason.
Fact: Fewer and fewer Android phones have SD cards slots.
2022: 598 Android phones: 398 with SD card slots (66.6%)
2023: 497 Android phones: 308 with SD card slots (61.9%)
2024: 562 Android phones: 329 with SD card slots (58.5%)
Seeing a trend yet?
Yes, of COURSE the SD card is trending down.
Since Apple phones are more popular in the U.S. than Android phones (around 59%-41% right now), we can say that around 25% of phones in use in the U.S. have an SD slot.
AGAIN, how is that an "industry standard"????
The answer of COURSE is that it USED to be an "industry standard". So were floppy drives, spinning hard drives, CDs/DVDs and lots of other stuff.
All are gone, and SD cards are rapidly going away.
AGAIN, grow up Arlen.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 21:47:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Correct. iPhones do it faster, better and AUTOMATICALLY.But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can. >>
But DO continue to live in 2005 and manually dick around with "memory cards".
That's the only way this "point" works.
The question to ask is WHY did Apple take away your choice of hardware?
Why does one of the most profitable companies on the planet sell to you a phone where you have to buy back the most basic of storage functionality?
Put in blunt terms: *Apple _screwed_ you - for greed alone*.
There are no advantages to you in not having an sd card.
Only disadvantages.
All the advantages are in profit to Apple.
Tim Cook laughs at you all the way to the bank.
On 2025-07-23 23:08:02 +0000, Tyrone said:
On Jul 23, 2025 at 1:30:34 AM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-22 21:55, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 03:14:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware >>>>>> functionality?
It isn't. Because its not the year 2005.
If 65% (and dropping) of Android phones have it, how is that an "industry >>>>> standard"?
Fact: Most Android phones have sd card slots.
Assessment: They don't put them there for no reason.
Fact: Fewer and fewer Android phones have SD cards slots.
2022: 598 Android phones: 398 with SD card slots (66.6%)
2023: 497 Android phones: 308 with SD card slots (61.9%)
2024: 562 Android phones: 329 with SD card slots (58.5%)
Seeing a trend yet?
Yes, of COURSE the SD card is trending down.
Since Apple phones are more popular in the U.S. than Android phones (around >> 59%-41% right now), we can say that around 25% of phones in use in the U.S. >> have an SD slot.
AGAIN, how is that an "industry standard"????
The answer of COURSE is that it USED to be an "industry standard". So were >> floppy drives, spinning hard drives, CDs/DVDs and lots of other stuff.
All are gone, and SD cards are rapidly going away.
AGAIN, grow up Arlen.
Spinning hard drives still exist. Seagate and Western Digital both
recently announced new 32TB drives, and have plans for bigger
capacities in the next few years.
But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can.
Correct. iPhones do it faster, better and AUTOMATICALLY.
But DO continue to live in 2005 and manually dick around with "memory cards".
That's the only way this "point" works.
You're hopelessly stuck in the past, old fart.
The question to ask is WHY did Apple take away your choice of hardware?
Because I don't need it. That's yet ANOTHER REASON that I CHOOSE to buy iPhones.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
...
There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I went
on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the videos and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the computer.
I had to play around with several apps and/or local network connections to transfer all the files from both phones, especially large videos, to the computer by WiFi. Then I had to sort them, delete ones we didn’t like, rename them to something which makes sense.
If we had SD slots I could have just saved all my pictures to the card, handed her the card next to save all her pictures to it, copy them to the computer.
Then arrange and rename them using a real keyboard and finally
copy whatever we wanted back to the phones.
Using an SD card to get the files on the computer and back to the phone
would have been much easier and intuitive.
On 23 Jul 2025 23:24:32 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
You're hopelessly stuck in the past, old fart.
The fact remains the only way to make an iPhone work, is to buy back all
that missing functionality - which is one reason Apple is so profitable.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 23:55:37 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
The question to ask is WHY did Apple take away your choice of hardware?
Because I don't need it. That's yet ANOTHER REASON that I CHOOSE to buy
iPhones.
Why do you think Apple is so profitable, Tyrone?
There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
My last smartphone with an SD card slot was back in ... (Googling phone models) 2012. Not having it just hasn't been an issue.
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I went >> on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the videos >> and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the computer.
The process of plugging a phone in is just as straightforward as
plugging an SD card into a slot on the PC ... except that one doesn't
have to disassemble the phone first to get to the media card.
Why do you think Apple is so profitable, Tyrone?
Because people love their products.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 23:55:37 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
The question to ask is WHY did Apple take away your choice of hardware?
Because I don't need it. That's yet ANOTHER REASON that I CHOOSE to buy
iPhones.
Why do you think Apple is so profitable, Tyrone?
But they ARE gone from all consumer equipment. PCs, phones and tablets.
Which is the topic here.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 23:59:34 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
But they ARE gone from all consumer equipment. PCs, phones and tablets.
Which is the topic here.
One of the reasons Apple is so profitable is the iPhone lacks basic functionality which, of course, you paid a lot of money to get back.
On 7/22/25 23:03, badgolferman wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
...
There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
My last smartphone with an SD card slot was back in ... (Googling phone models) 2012. Not having it just hasn't been an issue.
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I went >> on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the videos >> and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the computer.
The process of plugging a phone in is just as straightforward as
plugging an SD card into a slot on the PC ... except that one doesn't
have to disassemble the phone first to get to the media card.
I had to play around with several apps and/or local network connections to >> transfer all the files from both phones, especially large videos, to the
computer by WiFi. Then I had to sort them, delete ones we didn’t like,
rename them to something which makes sense.
Maybe get a Mac? For small/quick/easy transfers, I just use Airdrop.
If we had SD slots I could have just saved all my pictures to the card,
handed her the card next to save all her pictures to it, copy them to the
computer.
Wouldn't it be easier for you to each have your own SD card, rather
than have to do a media dance? A basic 64GB card for a phone is like
$10.
Ditto for microSD.
Then arrange and rename them using a real keyboard and finally
copy whatever we wanted back to the phones.
Sounds like you need better syncing software; MacOS+iOS do fine here.
Using an SD card to get the files on the computer and back to the phone
would have been much easier and intuitive.
Its even easier if you put the SD card in a device which can transmit
the images wirelessly...you know, like Bluetooth on an iPhone /s
-hh
On Jul 23, 2025 at 7:26:51 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-23 23:08:02 +0000, Tyrone said:
On Jul 23, 2025 at 1:30:34 AM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-07-22 21:55, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 03:14:09 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware >>>>>>> functionality?
It isn't. Because its not the year 2005.
If 65% (and dropping) of Android phones have it, how is that an
"industry standard"?
Fact: Most Android phones have sd card slots.
Assessment: They don't put them there for no reason.
Fact: Fewer and fewer Android phones have SD cards slots.
2022: 598 Android phones: 398 with SD card slots (66.6%)
2023: 497 Android phones: 308 with SD card slots (61.9%)
2024: 562 Android phones: 329 with SD card slots (58.5%)
Seeing a trend yet?
Yes, of COURSE the SD card is trending down.
Since Apple phones are more popular in the U.S. than Android phones
(around 59%-41% right now), we can say that around 25% of phones in use
in the U.S. have an SD slot.
AGAIN, how is that an "industry standard"????
The answer of COURSE is that it USED to be an "industry standard". So
were floppy drives, spinning hard drives, CDs/DVDs and lots of other
stuff.
All are gone, and SD cards are rapidly going away.
AGAIN, grow up Arlen.
Spinning hard drives still exist. Seagate and Western Digital both
recently announced new 32TB drives, and have plans for bigger
capacities in the next few years.
Yes, I know that. For servers and cloud storage.
But they ARE gone from all consumer equipment. PCs, phones and tablets. Which is the topic here.
On Jul 23, 2025 at 7:19:30 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 21:47:46 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Correct. iPhones do it faster, better and AUTOMATICALLY.But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can. >>>
But DO continue to live in 2005 and manually dick around with "memory
cards". That's the only way this "point" works.
The question to ask is WHY did Apple take away your choice of hardware?
Because I don't need it. That's yet ANOTHER REASON that I CHOOSE to buy iPhones.
You are such a doofus. Removing slow, obsolete hardware is NOT "taking away a choice". Why don't phones come with "industry standard" 2400BPS modems? "Industry standard" cassette tape drives? "Industry standard" CRT screens?
Only 25% (and dropping every year) of phones in the U.S. still have an SD slot. "Industry Standard" indeed. SD cards are legacy equipment at this point. They will be down to 10% in the U.S. in 5 years.
On 24 Jul 2025 00:32:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Why do you think Apple is so profitable, Tyrone?
Because people love their products.
The point is
On 24 Jul 2025 00:30:47 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
The fact remains the only way to make an iPhone work, is to buy back
all that missing functionality - which is one reason Apple is so
profitable.
That's not a fact
Apple is brilliant by making you pay hundreds of dollars to buy basic functionality back that Apple saved money simply by not providing it.
Apple is brilliant by making you pay hundreds of dollars to buy basic
functionality back that Apple saved money simply by not providing it.
Also not a fact
The process of plugging a phone in is just as straightforward as
plugging an SD card into a slot on the PC ... except that one doesn't
have to disassemble the phone first to get to the media card.
Whether or not there is an SD card slot, it's has always been far
easier to simply plug the phone into a computer to transfer files or
these days just use an external drive to store stuff. SD cards were
always a useless, fiddly option and far too easily lost.
But they ARE gone from all consumer equipment. PCs, phones and tablets. Which
is the topic here.
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB
while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the
same capacity).
Why do you think Apple is so profitable, Tyrone?
Because they have fantastic products.
No junk, which accounts for 3/4 of Android phones.
Only 25% (and dropping every year) of phones in the U.S. still have an SD
slot. "Industry Standard" indeed. SD cards are legacy equipment at this
point. They will be down to 10% in the U.S. in 5 years.
Even of those 25% of US phones with an SD card slot, you'd be lucky if
2% of owners actually use SD cards (other than when buying the phone
being talked into an expensive addition by a salesdroid out for more
sales commision, and even then it's put into the slot and forgotten
about).
Your only point is
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:43:07 +1200, Your Name wrote :
But they ARE gone from all consumer equipment. PCs, phones and tablets. Which
is the topic here.
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB
while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the
same capacity).
The absurdity of this suggestion to 'glue' an entire hard disk drive
ATTACHED to your iPhone everywhere you go simply proves the point here.
On 2025-07-24 00:29:41 +0000, -hh said:Particularly since on mobile phones, they weren't the full sized SD
On 7/22/25 23:03, badgolferman wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
...
There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important >>>> basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
My last smartphone with an SD card slot was back in ... (Googling
phone models) 2012. Not having it just hasn't been an issue.
Having an SD slot would be very useful. Last month when my wife and I
went
on vacation to California, it was a chore trying to combine all the
videos
and pictures from both our phones into one picture folder on the
computer.
The process of plugging a phone in is just as straightforward as
plugging an SD card into a slot on the PC ... except that one doesn't
have to disassemble the phone first to get to the media card.
Whether or not there is an SD card slot, it's has always been far easier
to simply plug the phone into a computer to transfer files or these days
just use an external drive to store stuff. SD cards were always a
useless, fiddly option and far too easily lost.
On 24 Jul 2025 14:09:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Apple is brilliant by making you pay hundreds of dollars to buy basic
functionality back that Apple saved money simply by not providing it.
Also not a fact
You paid blah blah blah
...
Even of those 25% of US phones with an SD card slot, you'd be lucky if
2% of owners actually use SD cards (other than when buying the phone
being talked into an expensive addition by a salesdroid out for more
sales commision, and even then it's put into the slot and forgotten about).
On 24 Jul 2025 14:10:23 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Your only point is
My point is to teach you
On 7/23/25 21:46, Your Name wrote:
...
Even of those 25% of US phones with an SD card slot, you'd be lucky if
2% of owners actually use SD cards (other than when buying the phone
being talked into an expensive addition by a salesdroid out for more
sales commision, and even then it's put into the slot and forgotten
about).
A good point, since memory cards in brick-n-mortar stores are quite frequently grossly overpriced, so they're a profit center. Its gottenA very good point.
less bad, but I've seen cheap Class 10 rated cards on the shelf listed
at V90 rating card prices, which was a hefty markup.
Which brings us to another element of differentiation present: the bus interface for a physical SD card has its own protocol and can be a
bottleneck even if one has bought a fast SD card: said protocols can be
as slow as SD's default of 12.5 MB/sec, and even for SDHC's UHS-I, its maximum is just 104 MB/sec.
In contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec
reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
On 7/24/25 11:07, Marion wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:43:07 +1200, Your Name wrote :
But they ARE gone from all consumer equipment. PCs, phones and tablets. >>>> Which is the topic here.
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB
while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the
same capacity).
The absurdity of this suggestion to 'glue' an entire hard disk drive
ATTACHED to your iPhone everywhere you go simply proves the point here.
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to
have veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13.
State of the shelf hard drives are 12TB+ these days, so why are even
Android smartphones more than a full order of magnitude behind?
-hh
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to have veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13.
Pushing more
In contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec
reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
On 07/24/2025 11:10, Marion wrote:
Apple's genius strategy is to force you to buy back basic functionality.
You know I'm not an Apple apologist despite owning iPhones. While I do
agree with your statement, I'm not sure it really matters to the high
end phone customer. Obviously Apple, Samsung, Google, and whoever else
makes high end phones have removed all the basic functionality you have listed over the years. They are all guilty of nickel and diming the customer.
You're in no position to tech anyone anything about Apple.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:34:07 -0400, -hh wrote :
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to have
veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13.
I do agree that most of us don't need to carry a terabyte attached to the device, but the point also is nobody needs more than 64GB internal storage.
So everything above 64GB of internal storage is a gross misuse of money (assuming the phone had an sd slot which is usually multiples of that).
My main point is to teach you that Apple's fundamental strategy on hardware capability is to limit what the iPhone can do so you have to buy it back.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 11:32:18 -0400, badgolferman wrote :
On 07/24/2025 11:10, Marion wrote:
Apple's genius strategy is to force you to buy back basic functionality.
You know I'm not an Apple apologist despite owning iPhones. While I do
agree with your statement, I'm not sure it really matters to the high
end phone customer. Obviously Apple, Samsung, Google, and whoever else
makes high end phones have removed all the basic functionality you have
listed over the years. They are all guilty of nickel and diming the
customer.
Hi badgolferman,
My main goal, on this ng, is to teach people what Apple's strategy is.
You don't need that lesson - but the MAGA trolls definitely need it.
I also own iPhones and iPads, and I'm not an Apple apologist either.
I own Android & Windows too - and I'm no apologist for Google/M$ either.
I simply study each of them to better understand their strategy.
And I find Apple's strategies, although deceitful - rather brilliant.
What happened, as far as I can tell, is Apple *started* this movement of reducing hardware functionality in most (not all) hardware functions.
a. Apple spearheaded the trend toward sealed batteries in 2007
b. Apple started the trend of lack of portable storage at the same time
c. Apple removed the aux jack in the iPhone 7 in 2016
d. Apple lied about why they removed the 2020 iPhone 12 charger
e. No iPhone had more than 4GB of RAM until the iPhone 12 Pro in 2020
f. Even the 2025 iPhone 16 Pro Max has a laughable 4,685mAh battery
The iPhone is so deficient in hardware capability that no iPhone older than the iPhone 15 would be allowed to be sold in the EU today, it's that bad.
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB
while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the
same capacity).
On 07/24/2025 17:21, Marion wrote:
But I think the MAGA herd-animal Apple religious trolls "can" be taught.
Don't you?
Unfortunately I don't think there are too many people on the entirety of Usenet who "can" be taught anything. It seems arguing ad nauseam is the prevailing activity now.
On Jul 23, 2025 at 9:43:07 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB
while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the
same capacity).
And spinning hard drives are also slower, heavier and use more power. I only use them for backups. Not for daily use.
On 07/24/2025 17:21, Marion wrote:
But I think the MAGA herd-animal Apple religious trolls "can" be taught.
Don't you?
Unfortunately I don't think there are too many people on the entirety of Usenet who "can" be taught anything. It seems arguing ad nauseam is the prevailing activity now.
On 2025-07-24 23:29:24 +0000, Tyrone said:
On Jul 23, 2025 at 9:43:07 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB
while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the
same capacity).
And spinning hard drives are also slower, heavier and use more power. I only >> use them for backups. Not for daily use.
True, although "slower" is really just a matter if personal patience
levels for most people. I have zero problems waiting an extra second or
two while saving half the price (roughly) for the same capactiy. :-)
Power isn't too much of an issue. The small portable hard drives are
usually USB powered, so there is no power brick to worry about. They
also aren't that heavy and could be easily carried around.
Of course, if you want truly light, portable, and low-powered, you
would go with USB stick drives instead, but they are mostly
lower-capacity in comparison.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 15:20:13 -0400, -hh wrote :
In contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec
reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
How much did it cost you to purchase an iPhone with more than 64GB storage?
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:34:07 -0400, -hh wrote :
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to have
veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13.
I do agree that most of us don't need to carry a terabyte attached to the device, but the point also is nobody needs more than 64GB internal storage.
So everything above 64GB of internal storage is a gross misuse of money (assuming the phone had an sd slot which is usually multiples of that).
My main point is to teach you that Apple's fundamental strategy on hardware capability is to limit what the iPhone can do so you have to buy it back.
On 24 Jul 2025 19:34:02 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
You're in no position to tech anyone anything about Apple.
Well, maybe you could
On 7/24/25 17:21, Marion wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:34:07 -0400, -hh wrote :
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to have >>> veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13.
I do agree that most of us don't need to carry a terabyte attached to the
device, but the point also is nobody needs more than 64GB internal storage.
Didn't Bill Gates say something about no one needing more than 640K? /s
So everything above 64GB of internal storage is a gross misuse of money
(assuming the phone had an sd slot which is usually multiples of that).
That's for the consumer to decide. Not you, not Bill Gates.
My main point is to teach you that Apple's fundamental strategy on hardware >> capability is to limit what the iPhone can do so you have to buy it back.
Meantime, SD cards are sold in different sizes+speeds, with each having
its own price point; more = higher price: so where's any difference?
-hh
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 22:24:07 -0400, badgolferman wrote :
On 07/24/2025 17:21, Marion wrote:
But I think the MAGA herd-animal Apple religious trolls "can" be taught. >>> Don't you?
Unfortunately I don't think there are too many people on the entirety of
Usenet who "can" be taught anything. It seems arguing ad nauseam is the
prevailing activity now.
While this is likely true, particularly of the MAGA trolls like Alan Baker who participate in conversations and then forget them just days later...
Jolly Roger, Your Name, NY, Chris, -hh, Haemactylus, Tyrone, et al.
All these MAGA trolls need to learn what Apple has been doing to them.
I think overall MAGA trolls can't avoid the fact that Apple's deceit shows they are one of the most duplicitous companies in the United States.
<https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
(Short of big tobacco, who is even worse than Apple on their brazen lies.)
Apple brazenly lied about batterygate for example, and got away with it. (Resulting monetary costs totaled well over a billion dollars though.)
The MAGA trolls claim Apple can afford to brazenly criminally lie to all;
but I assess that eventually even the MAGA trolls can learn about Apple.
It used to be that Apple only lied outside of court, where, for example, Apple has been lying about "efficiency" for years (yet, it was all a lie).
Now it seems Apple even deceitfully lies in court, they're that horrid.
<https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/game-over-for-apple-tax-says-epic-ceo-after-app-store-ruling/articleshow/120787261.cms>
Apple's brazen greenwashing lies will come to bite them as they're obvious.
<https://trellis.net/article/apple-lawsuit-highlights-the-perils-of-making-carbon-neutral-claims/>
Very few companies are as profitable & deceitful as Apple is where those profits are due mainly to Apple's brazen lies to the hapless consumer.
Apple even recently lied disparaging the EU benchmarks where only Apple couldn't earn an A in efficiency - almost everyone else but Apple did.
The innocent MAGA herd-animal zealots think Apple's profits are due to product, but what they don't realize is they're being lied to by Apple.
Apple's profits are a direct function of Apple's brazen public lies.
The product is barely functional (it doesn't even have basic hardware).
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 18:16:47 +1200, Your Name wrote :
On 2025-07-24 23:29:24 +0000, Tyrone said:
On Jul 23, 2025 at 9:43:07 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Inside the devices, yes, as I posted, but you snipped, but regular
consumers can still go to the nearest tech store and buy an external
hard disk drives. Disk drives are far more 'bang for your buck' than
SSDs will be for a long time yet (hard drives cost around 3c-6c per GB >>>> while SSDs cost 8-10c per GB, so SSDs cost around twice as much for the >>>> same capacity).
And spinning hard drives are also slower, heavier and use more power. I only
use them for backups. Not for daily use.
True, although "slower" is really just a matter if personal patience
levels for most people. I have zero problems waiting an extra second or
two while saving half the price (roughly) for the same capactiy. :-)
Power isn't too much of an issue. The small portable hard drives are
usually USB powered, so there is no power brick to worry about. They
also aren't that heavy and could be easily carried around.
Of course, if you want truly light, portable, and low-powered, you
would go with USB stick drives instead, but they are mostly
lower-capacity in comparison.
The problem with the iPhone lacking any semblance of basic functionality is that you have to be rich to be able to do anything useful with the iPhone.
The iPhone is so unusable out of the box that you have to literally spend hundreds of dollars just to start to get the damn thing to start working.
It's no longer shocking that the MAGA trolls go to great length to justify the obvious fact that the iPhone lacks even the most basic of hardware.
No iPhone ever sold prior to the iPhone 15 is legal to sell new in the EU
due to the paucity of the hardware that is inherent in brain dead iPhones.
The iPhone lack industry standard hardware such as sd slot & aux jacks.
The iPhone paltry RAM and iPhone garbage batteries are a laughing stock.
The lack of a proper charger shows Apple fucks their customer left & right.
Worse, the apps on the phone, if you don't create an Apple Account, will eventually all die over time if you update the operating system.
Even if you add that horrifically restrictive privacy-robbing Apple ID, you're still stuck with a brain-dead device that is merely a dumb terminal.
The device can't do anything useful without ANOTHER device you own next to
it for the rest of your life (as you have to prove who you are to Apple).
Even after carrying around TWO DEVICES everywhere you go (or proving to
Apple by other means who you actually are) it's STILL brain dead in that it can't do half the things that every non-Apple phone easily does.
What bothers me isn't so much that the iPhone is a dysfunctional piece of junk but that Apple successfully lies to people saying that it's not.
And yet - it is.
There are few companies as deceitful as Apple is (where it used to be that Apple only told the truth in court but they've broken that stricture).
And few as profitable.
As a direct result of Apple's brazen lies.
My issue is that people are dumb enough to *believe* those lies.
So my goal is to ensure nobody on this newsgroup is that ignorant.
You know next to
nothing about basic networking, and even less about Apple products.
In contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec
reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
How much did it cost you to purchase an iPhone with more than 64GB storage?
Since I have receipts & I have a history of being able to substantiate
may claims, you need to go first: set the benchmark for what is the "correct" amount to pay.
On 25 Jul 2025 14:37:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
You know next to nothing about basic networking, and even less about
Apple products.
My goal is to teach
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 07:00:45 -0400, -hh wrote :
Since I have receipts & I have a history of being able to substantiateIn contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec
reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
How much did it cost you to purchase an iPhone with more than 64GB storage? >>
may claims, you need to go first: set the benchmark for what is the
"correct" amount to pay.
Good question.
My phone has many times 64GB of storage, but only 64GB of internal storage.
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours).
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more powerful than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going strong!).
On 7/24/25 17:21, Marion wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:34:07 -0400, -hh wrote :
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to have >>> veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13.
I do agree that most of us don't need to carry a terabyte attached to the
device, but the point also is nobody needs more than 64GB internal storage.
Didn't Bill Gates say something about no one needing more than 640K? /s
So everything above 64GB of internal storage is a gross misuse of money
(assuming the phone had an sd slot which is usually multiples of that).
That's for the consumer to decide. Not you, not Bill Gates.
My main point is to teach you that Apple's fundamental strategy on hardware >> capability is to limit what the iPhone can do so you have to buy it back.
Meantime, SD cards are sold in different sizes+speeds, with each having
its own price point; more = higher price: so where's any difference?
-hh
On 7/25/25 17:36, Marion wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 07:00:45 -0400, -hh wrote :
In contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec >>>>> reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
How much did it cost you to purchase an iPhone with more than 64GB storage?
Since I have receipts & I have a history of being able to substantiate
may claims, you need to go first: set the benchmark for what is the
"correct" amount to pay.
Good question.
My phone has many times 64GB of storage, but only 64GB of internal storage. >>
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever
sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours).
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >>
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more powerful >> than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going strong!).
Nah, you got it at an alleged "free" because its cost was hidden in a cellphone service plan.
That alone is sufficient to disqualify all of your fiscal claims.
-hh
On 2025-07-25 14:36, Marion wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 07:00:45 -0400, -hh wrote :
In contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec >>>>> reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
How much did it cost you to purchase an iPhone with more than 64GB
storage?
Since I have receipts & I have a history of being able to substantiate
may claims, you need to go first: set the benchmark for what is the
"correct" amount to pay.
Good question.
My phone has many times 64GB of storage, but only 64GB of internal
storage.
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever
sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours).
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo
Android
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more
powerful
than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going
strong!).
Post some benchmark for your phone...
...and it's regular retail price.
But I did pay the 10% sales tax on the $180MSRP so I paid $18 for each of
the three Android phones I got for free (there's an iPhone there also).
Hence, I paid $18 for a phone that is more powerful than any iPhone ever
made, which is a true comparison price if you must ask me what I paid.
Let's see:
Samsung Galaxy A32 5G released in 2021 compared to the iPHone 13, also released in 2021
Galaxy A32 5G 64GB iPhone 13
Release MSRP $174? $799
So, yeah: the iPhone is definitely more expensive, but here's how the
article where I found the price of the Galaxy describes it:
'Do you really want a cheap 5G phone, or do you just want the best bang
for your buck?'
'The Samsung Galaxy A32 design is about what you'd expect for a budget phone.'
Screen: 720 x 1600 1170 x 2532
Brightness: 497 nits 802 nits
Not twice as bright, but definitely better.
Performance (speed)
AnTuTu 226,561 775,519
Geekbench 1,673 4,645
More than twice as fast in AnTuTu, and nearly three times as fast in Geekbench
Shall I go on?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 07:00:45 -0400, -hh wrote :
Since I have receipts & I have a history of being able to substantiateIn contrast, the iPhone's integral storage is on NvME with 3-4GB/sec
reads & 2-3GB/sec writes.
How much did it cost you to purchase an iPhone with more than 64GB storage? >>
may claims, you need to go first: set the benchmark for what is the
"correct" amount to pay.
Good question.
My phone has many times 64GB of storage, but only 64GB of internal storage.
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours).
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more powerful than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going strong!).
But I did pay the 10% sales tax on the $180MSRP so I paid $18 for each of
the three Android phones I got for free (there's an iPhone there also).
Hence, I paid $18 for a phone that is more powerful than any iPhone ever made, which is a true comparison price if you must ask me what I paid.
On 25 Jul 2025 14:37:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
You know next to
nothing about basic networking, and even less about Apple products.
My goal is to teach you MAGA religious zealots what Apple's strategy is.
You bought all that missing basic hardware functionality back, JR.
*Apple (profits) loves you for that.*
On 2025-07-25 10:51:34 +0000, -hh said:
On 7/24/25 17:21, Marion wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 13:34:07 -0400, -hh wrote :
I do agree that most of us don't need to carry a terabyte attached to
Nah, what's absurd is the belief that one's capability needs are to
have
veritable terabytes of data on a smartphone.
Case in point, what's the largest capacity Android phone sold today?
In searching, i found that Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra has 1TB, which is
the same as what Apple's offered on their Pro Max iPhones since the 13. >>>
the
device, but the point also is nobody needs more than 64GB internal
storage.
Didn't Bill Gates say something about no one needing more than 640K? /s
Possibly, but Bill Gates is an idiot. :-p
The Commodore 64 only needed 64K and the VIC20 only needed 5K. Most
people don't really use their devices to do any more than they did on
those old computers, it is today's over-bloated software (OS and apps)
that requires ever-increasing amounts of memory. :-(
Well, how about comparing that Galaxy to the lowest end iPhone of that
year, namely the $399 iPhone SE 2020?
Seeing a trend yet?
Yes, of COURSE the SD card is trending down.
Since Apple phones are more popular in the U.S. than Android phones (around 59%-41% right now), we can say that around 25% of phones in use in the U.S. have an SD slot.
AGAIN, how is that an "industry standard"????
The answer of COURSE is that it USED to be an "industry standard". So were floppy drives, spinning hard drives, CDs/DVDs and lots of other stuff.
All are gone, and SD cards are rapidly going away.
But then, we live in the 21st century.
They have to live in the past in order for their lame troll to work.
No iPhone on the planet can do what any Android phone with an sd card can.
FACT: No iPhone user needs an SD card.
Plus, the "$0" Android phone will be a lower quality / cheaper device
anyway. If you actually compared the iPhone with an close-comparable
high-end Samsung phone, you'd find they have the same $15 price because
the phone both have similar full retail prices.
Good question.
My phone has many times 64GB of storage, but only 64GB of internal storage. >>
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever
sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours).
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >>
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more powerful >> than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going strong!).
Nah, you got it at an alleged "free" because its cost was hidden in a cellphone service plan.
That alone is sufficient to disqualify all of your fiscal claims.
Your goal is to troll, and that's all you do here.
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever >>> sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours). >>>Nah, you got it at an alleged "free" because its cost was hidden in a
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >>>
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more powerful >>> than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going strong!). >>
cellphone service plan.
That alone is sufficient to disqualify all of your fiscal claims.
-hh
Plus, the "$0" Android phone will be a lower quality / cheaper device
anyway. If you actually compared the iPhone with an close-comparable
high-end Samsung phone, you'd find they have the same $15 price because
the phone both have similar full retail prices.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 23:08:02 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
Seeing a trend yet?
Yes, of COURSE the SD card is trending down.
Why do you think most Android phones have the industry standard slot?
Since Apple phones are more popular in the U.S. than Android phones (around >> 59%-41% right now), we can say that around 25% of phones in use in the U.S. >> have an SD slot.
No expensive iPhone has the functionality of even the cheapest Android. People in the USA can afford to buy back all that missing functionality.
Why do you think Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the USA?
AGAIN, how is that an "industry standard"????
Well, how are you going to double your storage on that non-standard iPhone?
The answer of COURSE is that it USED to be an "industry standard". So were >> floppy drives, spinning hard drives, CDs/DVDs and lots of other stuff.
All are gone, and SD cards are rapidly going away.
The main reason Apple is so profitable is they are able to bamboozle you.
Apple removes functionality (like the aux jack) just because it works.
If they didn't remove it, then you wouldn't need to buy it back, Tyrone.
Don't you understand Apple's profit-making strategy yet, Tyrone?
The only reason iPhones lack basic functionality is so you buy it back.
*Bamboozled people like you are the reason Apple is so profitable.*
Tim Cook laughs at you all the way to the bank.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 20:53:00 -0400, -hh wrote :
Well, how about comparing that Galaxy to the lowest end iPhone of that
year, namely the $399 iPhone SE 2020?
The point is the iPhone of today has no basic functionality.
So you are forced to spend *hundreds* just to buy it all back.
That Galaxy has an sd slot, aux jack & huge battery which no iPhone made today has (and no iPhone has ever been sold with a battery as large).
Worse, you paid *hundreds* more to recover all that lost functionality.
With customers like you whales, it's no wonder Apple profits are huge.
You have to buy back at inflated prices all the missing functionality.
Oh, and it has more storage (via sd) than any iPhone ever sold has!
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 10:31:19 +1200, Your Name wrote :
Plus, the "$0" Android phone will be a lower quality / cheaper device
anyway. If you actually compared the iPhone with an close-comparable
high-end Samsung phone, you'd find they have the same $15 price because
the phone both have similar full retail prices.
It's always the case that you herd-animal MAGA ignorant uneducated Apple trolls have no concept of how much money spend to increase Apple profit.
For a total of $38, that April 2021 $18 phone with a $20 sdcard has more functionality than any iPhone ever sold.
Which is the point.
If you paid more than $50 for that utter garbage iPhone, you got screwed. You'd still have to pay *hundreds* to get the missing functionality back.
Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than
it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
On 7/22/2025 9:09 PM, Marion wrote:
Why is the iPhone always lacking in basic industry standard hardware
functionality?
While every iPhone lacks basic hardware, most of Android has it.
This Android search shows 2,114 Android phones with the sd slot included.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
That's out of 3205 Android phones (if I remove the sd slot criteria).
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
That means 66% of Android phones out there still have the sd slot hardware. >>
Out of 223 Samsung Android phones currently being sold today
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2>
Out of those 223, 165 have the sd slot, which is 74% of Samsung phones.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
As for Sony's 22 models currently sold today, 100% have the sd slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2> >> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=7&sAvailabilities=1,2&idOS=2&idCardslot=1>
There are things a phone with a card in the sd slot can do that are
impossible to do any other way - so I agree it's a critically important
basic hardware feature if you want to make the most of your phone.
Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble
than it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very
different storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in
one place.
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is
almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than
it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different
storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without
any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage).
And you can't?
The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works. Then you are forced to buy it all back.
It's sheer genius.
On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 17:41:16 -0400, -hh wrote :
Good question.Nah, you got it at an alleged "free" because its cost was hidden in a
My phone has many times 64GB of storage, but only 64GB of internal storage. >>>
More so, my daily drive phone has more functionality than any iPhone ever >>> sold, so let's look at what I paid for mine (which does more than yours). >>>
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >>>
I paid nothing for my daily drive from 2021 which is *still* more powerful >>> than any iPhone ever sold (and the battery is huge & still going strong!). >>
cellphone service plan.
That alone is sufficient to disqualify all of your fiscal claims.
You ignorant uneducated MAGA ...
Every person in the USA on a postpaid T-Mobile plan received a free Android Samsung Galaxy A32-5G (if they asked for it) with no change in costs.
The only thing they had to pay for that free phone was the sales tax.
The only thing they had to pay for that free phone was the sales tax.
Repeating your lie doesn't make it any more true: you only got it at an alleged "free" because its cost was hidden in a cellphone service plan.
Case in point: who amongst all of the $18/mo iPhone purchasers also got
sent a "free" Galaxy phone too?
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 06:44:58 -0400, -hh wrote :
The only thing they had to pay for that free phone was the sales tax.
Repeating your lie doesn't make it any more true: you only got it at an
alleged "free" because its cost was hidden in a cellphone service plan.
You think I don't know how much I paid before & after the free phones?
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees
It's interesting how you fabricate MAGA conspiracies simply because you
can't understand the simple math that *everyone* else easily understood.
You fabricate this inane conspiracy that T-Mobile somehow increased my monthly cost simply because they gave me three free Android phones.
Your absurd MAGA conspiracy theory requires my costs to have gone up.
And yet, they didn't. My costs were $100/month before & after the phone.
I'm *still* paying the same ~$100/month as I was in 2018, three years *before* I received the 3 free Android phones (& five years later).
Yet, every single person in the USA on T-Mobile was offered the same deal.
Case in point: who amongst all of the $18/mo iPhone purchasers also got
sent a "free" Galaxy phone too?
Every single person in the USA on T-Mobile & Sprint was offered the deal. Everyone who wanted it got the free phone without their plan changing.
On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is
almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not
enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than >>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different >>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place.
Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without
any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage).
And you can't?
The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with
basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works. >> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
It's sheer genius.
I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case.
March 2024 article:
https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/
I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android
phone days.
Some quotes:
"Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might
run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you
can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However,
SD card support is more limited than it used to be."
It's getting more limited?
"Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by
default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all
apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."
In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work
as designed.
"Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than
running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely
have toXand if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot
of speed to run well."
VERY true, if you can even move them over.
"Some manufacturersXnamely, Samsung and LGXallowed users to format
microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps
and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no longer present on newer devices."
When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were unstable.
"Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the
trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not
as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the
rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a
legitimate solution for the majority of people."
Did you root your phone?
"Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems
that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external
storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it."
Android is moving to the Apple memory model.
Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very different sets of memory.
You think I don't know how much I paid before & after the free phones?
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract >> <https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >> <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees
Those all are merely offers, not an actual IRL phone service bill.
It's interesting how you fabricate MAGA conspiracies simply because you
can't understand the simple math that *everyone* else easily understood.
You fabricate this inane conspiracy that T-Mobile somehow increased my
monthly cost simply because they gave me three free Android phones.
Nope, I merely noted that you have out-of-pocket expenses that you're ignoring in order to get your "free!" product.
Case in point, I get "free" coffee & pastries when I take my car to the dealership for an oil change ... I only had to buy a car from them!
Your absurd MAGA conspiracy theory requires my costs to have gone up.
And yet, they didn't. My costs were $100/month before & after the phone.
I'm *still* paying the same ~$100/month as I was in 2018, three years
*before* I received the 3 free Android phones (& five years later).
Wrong claim. What you need to figure out is how much lower their
service rates would have been if they weren't including in their costs
the costs of the hardware that they're giving to customers for 'free': TANSTAAFL applies.
Yet, every single person in the USA on T-Mobile was offered the same deal. >>
Case in point: who amongst all of the $18/mo iPhone purchasers also got
sent a "free" Galaxy phone too?
Every single person in the USA on T-Mobile & Sprint was offered the deal.
Everyone who wanted it got the free phone without their plan changing.
Including those who opted for paying for an iPhone?
Because that's the question I asked: they ended up getting two phones.
So let's see proof of that.
On 7/26/2025 10:57 PM, Alan wrote:
And I bet you don't have anywhere NEAR a thousand apps.
Having owned multiple Android phones I can tell you that there is no way
to put a thousand apps on one, even if you had a 1 tb SD card.
Can you imagine trying to even manage 1,000 apps? How would you organize
that mess? I have 100 and need to put them in folders to keep up.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 12:10:52 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
On 7/26/2025 10:57 PM, Alan wrote:
And I bet you don't have anywhere NEAR a thousand apps.
Having owned multiple Android phones I can tell you that there is no way
to put a thousand apps on one, even if you had a 1 tb SD card.
Can you imagine trying to even manage 1,000 apps? How would you organize
that mess? I have 100 and need to put them in folders to keep up.
Heh heh heh... we have entire threads, Tom, on how many apps we each have
on our Android phone. Having a thousand apps is not difficult on Android.
On Android, you can easily organize the phone to handle those apps.
On iOS, organizing a thousand apps would be utterly miserable.
That's another huge difference between the two mobile device platforms.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 12:17:32 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.Apple is profitable because of their tightly integrated ecosystem of
Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works. >>
products and services that nobody has been able to duplicate.
The iPhone is way more functional than any of my Android phones were.
And the iPad is years ahead of any Android tablet.
I am not blinded by advertising and marketing. I have experienced both
sides of the aisle. That's why I have not switched back.
Apple's profits are the same as Big Tobacco profits.
You've come a long way baby... to get where you got to today...
You've come a long way baby... you've come a long long way...
Take away Apple MARKETING (or Big Tobacco MARKETING)
and the company profits go negative.
Apple doesn't make iPhones. They make marketing.
They sell to people who don't understand how anything works.
Just like Big Tobacco did.
Big Tobacco told women they needed their own Virginia Slims cigarette. Because they deserved it. It was designed for women. And they bought it.
Just like you bought the iPhone.
Apple's profits are sheer marketing genius.
The iPhone can't do half of what Android phones do.
And yet, there's nothing the iPhone can do that Android doesn't do.
There are reasons for that fact.
But you'd have to understand a lot more than you do now.
So I'm teaching you slowly. Bit by bit.
The first lesson is Apple removes hardware just so you have to buy it back.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:36:27 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is >>>> almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do notWhy do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without >>> any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage). >>>
enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than >>>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different >>>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place. >>>
And you can't?
The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with >>> basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware.
You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works. >>> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
It's sheer genius.
I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case. >>
March 2024 article:
https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/
I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android
phone days.
Some quotes:
"Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might
run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you
can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However,
SD card support is more limited than it used to be."
It's getting more limited?
"Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by
default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently
installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all
apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."
In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work
as designed.
"Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than
running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely
have to—and if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot
of speed to run well."
VERY true, if you can even move them over.
"Some manufacturers—namely, Samsung and LG—allowed users to format
microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps
and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no
longer present on newer devices."
When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were
unstable.
"Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the
trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not
as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the
rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a
legitimate solution for the majority of people."
Did you root your phone?
"Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems
that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external
storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it." >>
Android is moving to the Apple memory model.
Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very
different sets of memory.
You MAGA Apple trolls understand nothing.
I never said I installed the apps on the sd card, Tom.
I never said I set up the sd card as extended memory either, Tom.
What I said was I have no problem with a thousand apps on my phone.
Where they store their data (e.g., map data, or photos) on the sd card.
On 2025-07-29 15:42, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 12:07:29 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
There are no advantages to you in not having an sd card.
Only disadvantages.
All the advantages are in profit to Apple.
Tim Cook laughs at you all the way to the bank.
Apple has never had an SD card option in the iPhone or iPad. So they
never "took it away".
Your ignorance is showing again.
If that is your sole argument then you have no argument.
We're discussing here, like adults, what Apple's hardware strategy is.
And that strategy is to limit the hardware capabilities of many things.
Whether or not Apple "took it away" doesn't matter for that strategy.
It matters only that it does not exist today.
So if you buy an iPhone today, you don't get basic hardware functionality. >> The question is how is that fact part of Apple's basic strategy.
And the answer turns out to be obvious to anyone who understands Apple.
Goalpost shift!
On 2025-07-29 15:41, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 10:36:27 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
On 7/26/2025 2:43 PM, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jul 2025 08:59:05 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Having owned numerous Android phones I can tell you that the SD card is >>>>> almost useless. You cannot put apps on the SD card. Many apps do not >>>>> enable SD card access. I found that in practice it was more trouble than >>>>> it was worth. With Apple you do not have to worry about 2 very different >>>>> storage media. It's worth it to have all apps and all data in one place. >>>>Why do I have almost a thousand apps on my 64GB Android, Tom Elam without >>>> any problems (where my sd card is many times the internal phone storage). >>>>
And you can't?
The reason you can't do anything on that iPhone that Android phones with >>>> basic hardware can do is Apple didn't give you the choice of hardware. >>>>
You bought a phone that lacks everything that has worked for years.
Which is EXACTLY what Apple's profit-making strategy is, Tom Elam.
I'm trying to teach you what Apple's profit-making strategy is.
Why do you think they're so profitable anyway, Tom?
The iPhone is barely functional because Apple removed what actually works. >>>> Then you are forced to buy it all back.
It's sheer genius.
I think you are lying. Big time. Theory and practice diverge in this case. >>>
March 2024 article:
https://www.howtogeek.com/114667/how-to-install-android-apps-to-the-sd-card-by-default-move-almost-any-app-to-the-sd-card/
I read the entire article and things have not changed since my Android
phone days.
Some quotes:
"Some Android phones don't have a lot of storage, which means you might
run out of space for apps. If your device has a microSD card slot, you
can use that to expand the storage and have more room for apps. However, >>> SD card support is more limited than it used to be."
It's getting more limited?
"Android apps are installed on your device's internal storage by
default. If you have a microSD card, you can move some of your currently >>> installed apps over to the microSD card. This is not supported by all
apps, however. In fact, many don't support this feature at all."
In my experience it was very few that could be moved and still even work >>> as designed.
"Running an app off your SD card will almost always be slower than
running it off the internal storage, so only use this if you absolutely
have to—and if you can, try to use it for apps that don't require a lot >>> of speed to run well."
VERY true, if you can even move them over.
"Some manufacturers—namely, Samsung and LG—allowed users to format
microSD cards as internal storage prior to around 2022. That meant apps
and games would be installed there by default. Sadly, this feature is no >>> longer present on newer devices."
When I tried this on A 64 mb Samsung phone the apps on the SD card were
unstable.
"Technically, it's still possible if you're willing to go through the
trouble of rooting your Android phone. Rooting an Android phone is not
as worth it as it used to be. Android has gotten much better and the
rooting process has only gotten more difficult. It's simply not a
legitimate solution for the majority of people."
Did you root your phone?
"Sadly, not many Android phones have SD card slots anymore, and it seems >>> that even fewer apps support the ability to be moved to external
storage. If you do have an SD card slot, you should take advantage of it." >>>
Android is moving to the Apple memory model.
Summary, Apple's unified memory is a superior solution to having 2 very
different sets of memory.
You MAGA Apple trolls understand nothing.
I never said I installed the apps on the sd card, Tom.
I never said I set up the sd card as extended memory either, Tom.
So if you don't use it as extended memory and you don't install apps on
the SD card...
...then you're still bound by how much storage is built in to the phone, right?
What I said was I have no problem with a thousand apps on my phone.
Where they store their data (e.g., map data, or photos) on the sd card.
Riiiiiiiiiight.
MAGA Troll indeed. Make Android Good Anywayhecan.
And for the tiny minority that do need extra storage space, they can
easily just plug in and use normal USB-C keyring drives or bigger
capacity portable SSDs or hard drives.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:59:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
MAGA Troll indeed. Make Android Good Anywayhecan.
I study you Apple MAGA trolls. And I study Apple's strategy.
Specifically Apple's strategy of removing pockets from pants & then convincing people like you that it's "progress" to remove pockets (at the same time Apple sells you their proprietary replacement for the missing functionality).
How does Apple get away with convincing you that pants without pockets are somehow progress - where you're forced to buy the lost functionality back?
Apple doesn't just sell tech - it sells belief. And belief is powerful
enough to override inconvenience, cost, and even common sense.
Here's why people like you MAGA trolls don't comprehend the deception:
Marketing is myth making. Apple frames the removal of most basic hardware functionality removals as "progress." No headphone jack? That's "courage."
No charger in the box? That's "environmental responsibility." These aren't just excuses - they're Apple's trademarked narratives that make you MAGA trolls feel like they're part of something visionary.
Tribe loyalty is at stake here. You MAGA trolls often form a kind of brand identity. Once you're in the ecosystem, questioning Apple feels like questioning your own taste or values. That's not deception; it's emotional engineering.
And then there's design over function where Apple's aesthetic minimalism convinces people like you that fewer ports means more elegance. Even if it means buying dongles, adapters, or wireless accessories, the sleek look
wins in your mind because Apple has convinced you that less is more.
Unlike tobacco products, you can't actually be addicted to a smartphone.
So if Apple's products were bad, people wouldn't go on buying them.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote
And yet, there's nothing the iPhone can do that Android doesn't do.
[Fact check: This is false]
So what are you claiming that an iphone can do that an android can't
do apart from fill Apple's pockets ?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote at 22:46 this Tuesday (GMT):
[snip]
Unlike tobacco products, you can't actually be addicted to a smartphone.
So if Apple's products were bad, people wouldn't go on buying them.
Smartphone addiction is the most common kind of addiction nowdays, I
think.
I study a lot of things - one of which is Apple - and the other is you.LOLOLOLLOLOLOL!
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:59:30 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
MAGA Troll indeed. Make Android Good Anywayhecan.
I study you Apple MAGA trolls.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:18:23 +1000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
iPhones can run an SMB server with thedefault privileged port, among
other things.
So can android
In fact, we have a thread already on that topic where NOBODY could find a
single thing that the iPhone does that Android doesn't already do, Chris.
Your memory is failing you or your denialism is such that reality is a foreign country. You yourself admitted there was something an iphone could
do that an android phone couldn't.
I'll leave it for you to remember. It was only a few weeks ago.
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default
privileged port, among other things. And that has absolutely nothing to
do with filling Apple's pockets.
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:21:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
In fact, we have a thread already on that topic where NOBODY could find a >>> single thing that the iPhone does that Android doesn't already do, Chris. >>Your memory is failing you or your denialism is such that reality is a
foreign country. You yourself admitted there was something an iphone could >> do that an android phone couldn't.
I'll leave it for you to remember. It was only a few weeks ago.
Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was wrong.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default privileged port,
among other things.
So can android
Wrong.
Nope, dope
On 30 Jul 2025 19:18:23 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
privileged port, among other things. And that has absolutely nothing
to do with filling Apple's pockets.
Ah, yes. Thanks for jogging my memory. I've been trying to teach folks
that there's nothing iOS can do that Android can't that I forgot about
ports!
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 21:21:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
In fact, we have a thread already on that topic where NOBODY could find a >>>> single thing that the iPhone does that Android doesn't already do, Chris. >>>Your memory is failing you or your denialism is such that reality is a
foreign country. You yourself admitted there was something an iphone could >>> do that an android phone couldn't.
I'll leave it for you to remember. It was only a few weeks ago.
Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was wrong.
There is one thing unjailbroken iOS can do that Android cannot do.
Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as for SMB. >> Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that Android can't do.
There are others...
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default privileged port,
among other things.
So can android
Wrong.
Nope, dope
You're an idiot.
We'll see who the idiot is...
We've already discussed the FACT that Android cannot runan SMB server
on the default port at length here, while iOS can.
There was no discussion, just your stupid claim.
There isnt just one android either
Marion (Arlen) claimed otherwise and was shown to be WRONG.
Nope, claimed to be wrong, actially
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default privileged port,
among other things.
So can android
Wrong.
Nope, dope
You're an idiot.
We'll see who the idiot is...
On Sat, 02 Aug 2025 02:32:27 +1000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-01, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default privileged port, >>>>>>>> among other things.
So can android
Wrong.
Nope, dope
You're an idiot.
We'll see who the idiot is...
Too late, little Robbie.
Nope, idiot Rojjy
It's already crystal clear to anyone who knows
about this topic that you are the idiot here. Even trollboi Marion
(Arlen) admits Android can't do this. Stay dumb, loser. 🤣
There isnt just one android, fuckwit
On Sat, 02 Aug 2025 01:49:25 +1000, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-08-01 08:28, Rod Speed wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wroteWe'll see who the idiot is...
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default privileged port, >>>>>>>> among other things.
So can android
Wrong.
Nope, dope
You're an idiot.
We've already discussed the FACT that Android cannot runan SMBThere was no discussion, just your stupid claim.
server on the default port at length here, while iOS can.
A claim which was confirmed by numerous posters including myself.
Which stupidly ignores the fact that there isnt just one android
There isnt just one android either
Name one.
Marion (Arlen) claimed otherwise and was shown to be WRONG.Nope, claimed to be wrong, actially
Shown to be wrong.
Only with one android
I can post the screenshots again if you like.
Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was wrong.
You're almost always wrong when it comes to Apple.
Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as for SMB. >> Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that Android can't do.
There are others...
On 1 Aug 2025 15:19:35 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Well, Jolly Roger brought it up just now, so I will agree I was
wrong.
You're almost always wrong when it comes to Apple.
I never would mind admitting when I'm wrong
I'm an actual adult.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 06:39:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as
for SMB. Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that
Android can't do.
There are others...
Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you get
tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
On Sat, 02 Aug 2025 02:32:27 +1000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
On 2025-08-01, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
iPhones can run an SMB server with the default privileged port, >>>>>>>> among other things.
So can android
Wrong.
Nope, dope
You're an idiot.
We'll see who the idiot is...
Too late, little Robbie.
Nope, idiot Rojjy
It's already crystal clear to anyone who knows
about this topic that you are the idiot here. Even trollboi Marion
(Arlen) admits Android can't do this. Stay dumb, loser. 🤣
There isnt just one android, fuckwit
As I said, there is one thing iOS can do that Android cannot do.
And that is access ports below 1024 for servers such as for SMB.
However...
I can't name a single other thing though that iOS does that Android can't. >> Can you?
You're a man child troll who spends his every waking moment trolling newsgroups for products you hold a seething hatred for.
Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such as
for SMB. Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can do that
Android can't do.
There are others...
Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you get
tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
FTFY
Accurate.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:02:57 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Unjailbroken iOS can access ports below 1024 for servers, such
as for SMB. Hence I fully agree there is this 1 thing iOS can
do that Android can't do.
There are others...
Name it and I'll deny it and move the goal post around until you
get tired of dealing with my bullshit and I declare "victory".
FTFY
Accurate.
For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with
a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
do.
FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
weeks and months and years.
True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial.
For the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with
a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
do.
FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
weeks and months and years.
True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial.
And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see for
themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.
On 4 Aug 2025 00:05:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Heh heh heh...And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see forFor the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up withFTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can
do.
he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
weeks and months and years.
True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial.
themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.
The Apple trolls are deathly*afraid* of what amounts to a simple query:
From: Marion<marion@facts.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do
that Android can't do?
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 17:37:54 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID:<106lidi$6h7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In previous threads, I've proven by my own detailed testing, that there
is at least one thing non-jailbroken iOS can do which unrooted Android
can't.
On 2025-08-08 16:05, Marion wrote:
On 4 Aug 2025 00:05:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
Heh heh heh...And his pathology is on display here 24/7 for anyone to see forFor the adult record, neither Chris nor Jolly Roger have come up with >>>>> a single item to back up their claim that "there are others" iOS can >>>>> do.FTR it is Arlen who famously makes unsubstantiated claims. Even when
he's been routinely corrected, he continues with the same claims for
weeks and months and years.
True to form as described by JR Step 1 is denial.
themselves. It's no big secret how he operates. The guy is sick.
The Apple trolls are deathly*afraid* of what amounts to a simple query:
From: Marion<marion@facts.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Is there really only one thing that iOS can do
that Android can't do?
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 17:37:54 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID:<106lidi$6h7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
In previous threads, I've proven by my own detailed testing, that there
is at least one thing non-jailbroken iOS can do which unrooted Android
can't.
By YOUR testing, Arlen?
LOL!
You denied it over and over after multiple people told you it worked!
And now he just pretends that never happened, right along with
brainrotdude. The fascinating thing is they actually believe if they lie we'll all just magically forget about it as if it never happened. They actually believe people are as fucking dumb as they are. It's pathetic behavior.
On 10 Aug 2025 00:13:37 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :
And now he just pretends that never happened, right along with
brainrotdude. The fascinating thing is they actually believe if they lie
we'll all just magically forget about it as if it never happened. They
actually believe people are as fucking dumb as they are. It's pathetic
behavior.
Heh heh heh...
You Apple trolls *hate* that Apple sold you on a device that can't do much.
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