Never think I'm anything like you
No risk of that.
I'm not afraid of facts.
I'd LOVE to learn if there's something else.
That's an utter lie. It took you almost a week to accept the SMB functionality and only succumbed when several ppl showed proof. Your MO is deny, deflect, attack. Which you're doing again here.
Stop hiding.
This is exactly like you saying "FaceTime" when you mean video calling.
That's not what I said. You're deflecting.
A huge problem with Apple trolls is you misunderstand almost everything.
Projection.
You intentionally misconstrue things or pretend to misunderstand.
I can admit when
I'm wrong, Chris. My ego is being able to learn the truth, Chris.
Another lie. Only last week (or the week before) you regurgitated your
dogma that iOS does nothing that Android can. I and someone else had to remind you of the truth which you yourself tested.
That's what prompted your thread where you refused to even *think* for yourself.
So stop it with your brazen lies, which I'm sure you believe.
Projection.
You simply cannot accept any fact that isn't a made up one of yours.
The astoundingly huge delta between Apple trolls and me is mainly...
a. I'm well educated (none of the Apple trolls can earn even a degree)
b. I'm not a herd animal (all of the Apple trolls are religious zealots)
I know quite a few iPhone owners with Masters and PhD degrees. That
seems to mirror the population.
From a somewwhat dated Forbes article:
"Highest level of education attained? iPhone people are more educated:
they over-weight +27% for graduate/PhD education and under-weight -33%
for high school education. Android people show the same pattern to a
much smaller degree: +8% for graduate/PhD, -12% for high school."
Another fact, iPhone users hold onto their phone much longer than for Android. For 2 years+ 61% for iPhone versus 43% Android.
https://www.techopedia.com/iphone-users-vs-android-users
You're desperate to prove me correct that there is only one thing on all of >> iOS that isn't on Android, and that's the use of the privileged port 445.
It would be funny if it wasn't so chronically sad.
If you put even an iota of the effort you do in criticising ios to looking
at your android claims you'd see how truly flimsy they were.
But you won't, as you're not interested in the truth. Remember you ignore
all the facts about batteries now we have authoritative source data. It's
too easy to correct your lies now.
You're now resorting to spinning your opinions as facts by some
self-bestowed authority no-one believes.
The question is and was always what you can do on each platform without
rooting it. That was the only stricture.
Only in your head.
Your hypocrisy around third party accounts is a transparent attempt to prop up android phones while eroding your precious privacy and security.
But other than rooting, everything else was fair game.
If you want to play the game of what's native, that's fine; but that's a
completely different question given the ecosystems are very different.
It's what really matters.
Might I remind you that almost everything on iOS requires that account.
It only requires a *single* account which you are fully aware of when
buying into the product.
With android you are the product and signing up to dozens of accounts just makes that even worse.
If you want to play the game of what doesn't require an account, that's
fine
It was my stipulation.
So now find android solutions to core ios functionality.
but that's a completely different question given everything on iOS
requires an account (which has been proven many times in other threads).
It hasn't, but that's a different story.
Pebblebee and Chipolo in
fact use the Apple Find My network. They aren't an alternative.
That used to be true, but now both Pebblebee and Chipolo support Google's
Find My Device network natively.
The point is they aren't service providers, they are service users.
While iOS integrates it into the
Phone app, Android matches the functionality and even adds transcription
and cloud sync via apps like YouMail and Google Voice.
Android cannot do it for traditional phone service provided via the SIM. That's the key difference.
I can get it for the phone number I've used for 20 years.
You have to use a separate service which often doesn't exist outside the
US. Google voice, for example, is a very different product outside the US
and isn't available for most countries.
But this isn't about which is better.
It's about what major functionality does iOS have that Android doesn't.
Correct. And android doesn't.
In fact, those Android tools are far more powerful tools than Apple's
built-in options, as they have bulk OCR and advanced annotation.
OCR is built into iOS and runs automatically so you can search for text
found in anything including photos. Again a non-android functionality. I'll need to add that to the list. Thanks.
If you remove the need for accounts, almost everything on iOS breaks, as
you can't even load an app or run your beloved Apple native tools, Chris.
That's simply a lie you like to perpetuate.
But looking only at the battery, the Pixel 10 Pro XL is 5,200 mAh, but
that's only 200mAh more than my free 2021 Samsung Galaxy A32-5G phone.
As we've agreed before capacity is only part of the equation. If you look
at all phones with 5000 +/- 200 mAh (222 models) the endurance difference
is 44 hours!
Plus we all know the Samsung Galaxy A series are crappy phones as they are rated at class "C" or "B" and their endurance is amongst the worst within
the class.
On 8/20/2025 9:57 AM, Marion wrote:
The astoundingly huge delta between Apple trolls and me is mainly...
a. I'm well educated (none of the Apple trolls can earn even a degree)
b. I'm not a herd animal (all of the Apple trolls are religious zealots)
I know quite a few iPhone owners with Masters and PhD degrees. That
seems to mirror the population.
From a somewwhat dated Forbes article:
"Highest level of education attained? iPhone people are more educated:
they over-weight +27% for graduate/PhD education and under-weight -33%
for high school education. Android people show the same pattern to a
much smaller degree: +8% for graduate/PhD, -12% for high school."
Another fact, iPhone users hold onto their phone much longer than for Android. For 2 years+ 61% for iPhone versus 43% Android.Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
https://www.techopedia.com/iphone-users-vs-android-users
Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :
Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.
Sometimes you make sense.
Sometimes you make no sense.
Your argument is absurd.
First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.
You're literally cherry picking only the wealthy owners, and then, you triumphantly declare that they're rich & intelligent in the same breath.
Then you compare that $1000 iPhone to a $45 Android ...Your hyperbola attempts aside, I have seen a study which found that the
and declare that not
only are the people who pay $1000 for something that can't even do what the $45 Android can do, but that it lasts longer (you claim) by virtue only of the fact that it costs $1000 while any old Android that costs $45 (you
claim) doesn't last longer - even as the build quality is vastly greater.
WTF?
Have you no argument at all that you have to make such absurd claims?
You're desperate to claim a $1000 iPhone has more functionality than a $45 Android when you can't even list any functionality that it supposedly has.
Why would someone pay $1000 for an iPhone that can't do what any $45
Android can? That's NOT an intelligent person's kind of decision.
What you're really saying is people who pay $100 for iPhones are stupid
since they could have paid $45 for an Android & gotten more functionality.
People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know.Depends on how one defines "smarter": on an income basis comparison,
On 8/24/25 21:26, Marion wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 17:14:04 -0400, -hh wrote :
Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot
of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.
Sometimes you make sense.
Sometimes you make no sense.
Your argument is absurd.
Nope, far from it. Sorry that it went over your head.
First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.
Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which
is where these replacement & income metrics were from. That there's a billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.
People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>
Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don't care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.
Because the greater overall wealth of iPhone customers alone would
suggest they have a greater ability for a higher turnover rate, this
implies some other, more significant factor is in play. There's a lot >>>> of cheap Androids, so the longer iPhone life could be due to Apple's
market decision to not sell cheap low build quality phones which are
more prone to breaking/dying more quickly.
Sometimes you make sense.
Sometimes you make no sense.
Your argument is absurd.
Nope, far from it. Sorry that it went over your head.
First off, you're cherry picking since the vast majority of phones out
there are NOT iPhones, so you're ignoring the vast majority of owners.
Of course I am, because I'm looking at just the domestic market, which
is where these replacement & income metrics were from. That there's a
billion 3rd world customers too just isn't relevant.
Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!). Plus
there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.
If you compare actual makers, Apple has around 27.5% of the global
market, while their closest rival Samsung has 21.5% ... but even that
is misleading because Samsung do make el cheapo models (and foldable
models) while Apple only makes high-mid to higher end models.
You may as well compare Toyota to Ferrari ... completely different
markets and buyers.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>
Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people.
It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have
more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>
Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.
On 8/25/25 15:17, badgolferman wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>>
Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some
people.
And likewise, some buyers of Android (or Tesla/etc) are choosing these
for some aspect of 'status' too.
However, that some segment buys for reasons other than strictly utility shouldn't be a surprise, nor condemn that choice: it is the essence of
why the entire field of product marketing exists.
And goods which fake their desirability/status don't last long, so that
is straightforward to eliminate here from consideration.
But you & Marion are both missing the point that was being raised here,
which is that higher affluence empowers greater fiscal frivolity, which
if this really was all about status/image as you're suggesting, these
owners would be promptly flipping to each new iPhone model ... but the ownership data shows that not only do they not, but they actually tend
to own their iPhones for longer than Android buyers own their Androids.
The ramifications here have a couple of likely possibilities:
a) Apple makes better hardware which allows it to last longer;
b) The hardware build is ~same, but Apple customers own longer because they're *less* vain about "shiny new thing" status symbols than Android.
YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.
It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have
more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care >> that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of
their peers.
Nope. The things which other consumers choose to assign value to in
their product selections is not something that you personally get to approve/condemn, just because your personal opinion for what
constitutes 'value' differs.
If you want to make a credible argument that something is an overpriced
piece of junk, you need to remove your personal bias from the argument
that you make and transparently show objective metrics with actual data.
Not this emotional hand-waiving you're doing, 'Karen'.
-hh
Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).
Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.
Plus
there are a ton of el cheapo Android phones, many of which are simply
utter crap using old tech to achieve lower pricing.
If you compare actual makers, Apple has around 27.5% of the global
market, while their closest rival Samsung has 21.5% ... but even that
is misleading because Samsung do make el cheapo models (and foldable
models) while Apple only makes high-mid to higher end models.
You may as well compare Toyota to Ferrari ... completely different
markets and buyers.
Not sure I agree with that. Top end androids definitely target the same market as Apple.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).
Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.
Chris,
You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage.
Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith.
On 2025-08-26 20:48, Marion wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is
rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and
numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!).
Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >>> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist.
Chris,
You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage.
Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith.
Simply false.
Remember, a single counter example proves you wrong:
iOS 15.2.1 weighed in at 870MB.
A lot, but a full install of iOS 15 is 2.2GB.
Ergo, the 15.2.1 update was not monolithic.
If an Apple moron says it didn't cost me $30, let them show us where they
saw more money coming out of my wallet since the reason they say that is
they were told they are stupid their whole lives and they are.
You only got that (one-off) deal because you had a contract with the provider. No-one could have got that deal walking into a shop. How much do you pay for your contract? Currently, I pay 7 pm.
You like to compare it to $1000 (sic) iphones when you conveniently omit
that you also got a special deal for your iphones.
It's also been proven that A-range Galaxy models are "crap" based on your
own definition.
YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.
c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
(either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer versions of Android).
d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.
e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.
iOS has NEVER been updated using the moronic method that Arlen claims. Which is, "Even if only a single line of code was changed, Apple ships the entire iOS out to every iPhone/iPad".
If Arlen the lying troll had even a SINGLE iPhone/iPad, he would know this because THE SIZE OF THE UPDATE YOU ARE GETTING IS SHOWN EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE.
And every update is a different size. How is that possible Arlen?
The most recent 18.6.2 update was around 750 MB. Is that the ENTIRE iOS Arlen? Why are full version updates so much larger Arlen? Why are you such a lying dipshit Arlen?
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :
YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.
c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
(either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
versions of Android).
d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.
e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.
WTF?
Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.
Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones.
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*and it's less than Samsung and Google* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :
YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.
c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
(either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
versions of Android).
d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.
e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.
WTF?
Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.
Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones.
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*and it's less than Samsung and Google* <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
What's sad is I can tell Apple trolls something a thousand times yet it
never once sinks into your brain - which is how I know you have a low IQ.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract
Thanks for confirming that your $30 phone should be compared to a $50
iphone, not as you always try claim a $1000 one. Not so hard was it?
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android >> <https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 fees >>
You couldn't pass a single college exam, Chris,
Feeling fragile are you? Your attempts at insults speak more about you than anything else.
missing the same fact just
once, let alone the thousand times I've posted those exact same images.
I own six SIM carded devices, with the bill being $100/month + fees of
about $20 nowadays (it used to be about $16 in those fees in April 2021).
Thanks for sharing. So $1440 a year (and every year) to get your "cheap" phones.
You like to compare it to $1000 (sic) iphones when you conveniently omit >>> that you also got a special deal for your iphones.
I wonder if you realize that the MSRP is less than $300 for my phone Chris. >> That means I'm comparing a $300 phone to that $1000 iPhone you speak of.
Given your phone is a crap A range, you should compare to the entry level iphone which is about $500.
$1000 gets you an iphone Pro which is completely different market to the A range galaxies.
Be honest in comparing like for like. $30 vs $1000 is simply a lie.
That $300 phone has basic functionality that doesn't even exist on iPhones.
False.
It's also been proven that A-range Galaxy models are "crap" based on your >>> own definition.
Yet that $300 phone runs more software functionalities than any iPhone can.
Am glad you agree that galaxy A range mobiles are "crap".
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :
YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.
c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
(either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
versions of Android).
d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.
e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.
WTF?
Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?Not at all: there's gems of truth in these as well. But one can
What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.
Plus, your crap A32 is no longer supported by Samsung whereas *every*
iphone on sale in 2021 is still fully supported by Apple and all bar the Xr (which was discontinued in 2021) will be supported for another year. At least.
You've been given the link a thousand times so giving you the link a
thousand more times won't help you understand the fact that every Android
phone on or above Android 10 is updated forever with Google's hotfixes.
Patching a few random services is not full support.
If "forever" were true, why do Samsung and Google claim their phones are
only supported for seven years?
Android 10 released on September 3, 2019.
The fact is the iPhone XS, XS Max & XR, which were current at that time,
are not capable of installing the current iOS release, which is iOS 26.
lol False. The current version is iOS 18 which does support those models.
iOS 26 is not out until next month.
For someone who says he can teach us everything about ios, that's a pretty basic failure.
That means those phones have been fully supported by Apple since 2018 (i.e.
7 years). Tell me which Samsung, Galaxy or other brands that are still
fully supporting phones sold in 2018.
On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 16:59:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
You've been given the link a thousand times so giving you the link a
thousand more times won't help you understand the fact that every Android >>> phone on or above Android 10 is updated forever with Google's hotfixes.
Patching a few random services is not full support.
Heh heh heh... every single Android 10 and newer is patched every month.
How many iPhones of that era are patched every month, Chris.
Heh heh heh... every single Android 10 and newer is patched every month.
Like I said a patch of random services is not proper or full support.
How many iPhones of that era are patched every month, Chris.
C'mon. Answer that question.
HINT: None.
Every iphone since 2018 is still fully supported. How many Samsungs and Googles have been deprecated since 2018?
C'mon answer the question.
HINT: I know you won't out of embarrassment.
If "forever" were true, why do Samsung and Google claim their phones are >>> only supported for seven years?
You already said
Just answer the question. Which you won't.
Android 10 released on September 3, 2019.lol False. The current version is iOS 18 which does support those models. >>> iOS 26 is not out until next month.
The fact is the iPhone XS, XS Max & XR, which were current at that time, >>>> are not capable of installing the current iOS release, which is iOS 26. >>>
Good catch. But it's only good for a month since you must be aware that
only Apple summarily completely drops support for all but one release.
Yet has supported phones longer than anyone else for at least a decade.
Nobody else has support that bad.
Just Apple.
Calling you clueless is being kind.
Apple promises only five years of full support in writing, Chris.
So what? That's just a minimum. Real world evidence is proof of much better support.
Apple has already supported several models - the 6s, 6s Plus, XR, XS, XS
Max and probably others - for seven years. The rest in the last decade
have been five or six years. No other support is better.
Google and Samsung promise seven.
Only for premium models. And they have no evidence of supporting anything longer than three or four years.
A promise is worthless until it is backed up. We won't know what seven
years of support looks like with Samsung for another FIVE YEARS. Yet,
today, we know exactly what seven years of support from Apple looks like: reliably boring.
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