• Software Distributor - Python

    From Paul A. Weber@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 8 16:09:26 2024
    Hi,

    I'm not sure if anyone from HPE still reads these. My understanding is
    that HP-UX is shelved.

    I'm curious if anyone on the Software Distributor team / Ignite UX team
    has written the code in Python?

    Will HPE opensource the Software Distributor source code? Red Hat
    yum/dnf/rpm strategy is lacking in many areas. Particularly it is
    update and removal (no prerequisite, co-requisite, or ex-requisite).

    I'd make an offer on the source SD-UX and Ignite source code.

    Paul

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  • From John Dallman@21:1/5 to Paul A. Weber on Mon Dec 9 13:47:00 2024
    In article <z3ednY6gDq-hqMv6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    paul@weber.net (Paul A. Weber) wrote:

    I'm not sure if anyone from HPE still reads these. My
    understanding is that HP-UX is shelved.

    As you probably know, HP-UX 11i v3 and the IPF-based "Integrity" hardware
    reach the end of their support lives at the end of this month. All
    previous versions of HP-UX and all the PA-RISC hardware have already left support. There's an overview here:

    <https://www.stromasys.com/resources/hp-ux-end-of-support/>

    Stromasys are keen to sell their PA-RISC emulation software, but they
    don't have an emulator for IPF, and apparently nor does anyone else.

    I'm curious if anyone on the Software Distributor team / Ignite UX
    team has written the code in Python?

    Will HPE opensource the Software Distributor source code? Red Hat yum/dnf/rpm strategy is lacking in many areas. Particularly it is
    update and removal (no prerequisite, co-requisite, or ex-requisite).

    I'd make an offer on the source SD-UX and Ignite source code.

    It's deeply unlikely HP are willing to spend the money on code review and lawyers that would be needed to open-source it.

    John

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  • From Paul A. Weber@21:1/5 to John Dallman on Wed Dec 11 22:10:47 2024
    On 12/9/2024 5:47 AM, John Dallman wrote:
    In article <z3ednY6gDq-hqMv6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    paul@weber.net (Paul A. Weber) wrote:

    I'm not sure if anyone from HPE still reads these. My
    understanding is that HP-UX is shelved.

    As you probably know, HP-UX 11i v3 and the IPF-based "Integrity" hardware reach the end of their support lives at the end of this month. All
    previous versions of HP-UX and all the PA-RISC hardware have already left support. There's an overview here:

    <https://www.stromasys.com/resources/hp-ux-end-of-support/>

    Stromasys are keen to sell their PA-RISC emulation software, but they
    don't have an emulator for IPF, and apparently nor does anyone else.

    I'm curious if anyone on the Software Distributor team / Ignite UX
    team has written the code in Python?

    Will HPE opensource the Software Distributor source code? Red Hat
    yum/dnf/rpm strategy is lacking in many areas. Particularly it is
    update and removal (no prerequisite, co-requisite, or ex-requisite).

    I'd make an offer on the source SD-UX and Ignite source code.

    It's deeply unlikely HP are willing to spend the money on code review and lawyers that would be needed to open-source it.

    Well I can't understand the short shortsightedness around porting
    features of HP-UX to Linux. The margin on software is 75% or more. I'm
    not talking about porting HP-UX to IA32. I'm talking about porting
    software such as LVM, Advanced/Online JFS, Ignite, and SD-UX to Linux.

    Red Hat LVM still has functionality (options such as mirroring) that are
    still (even at RHEL 9.x) Not ported.

    So much revenue opportunity is being lost. But it's not HP anymore.
    It's Compaq.

    Paul
    John

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Paul A. Weber on Thu Dec 12 11:43:53 2024
    Paul A. Weber <paul@weber.net> wrote:
    On 12/9/2024 5:47 AM, John Dallman wrote:
    In article <z3ednY6gDq-hqMv6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    paul@weber.net (Paul A. Weber) wrote:

    I'm not sure if anyone from HPE still reads these. My
    understanding is that HP-UX is shelved.

    As you probably know, HP-UX 11i v3 and the IPF-based "Integrity" hardware reach the end of their support lives at the end of this month. All
    previous versions of HP-UX and all the PA-RISC hardware have already left support. There's an overview here:

    <https://www.stromasys.com/resources/hp-ux-end-of-support/>

    Stromasys are keen to sell their PA-RISC emulation software, but they
    don't have an emulator for IPF, and apparently nor does anyone else.

    I'm curious if anyone on the Software Distributor team / Ignite UX
    team has written the code in Python?

    Will HPE opensource the Software Distributor source code? Red Hat
    yum/dnf/rpm strategy is lacking in many areas. Particularly it is
    update and removal (no prerequisite, co-requisite, or ex-requisite).

    I'd make an offer on the source SD-UX and Ignite source code.

    It's deeply unlikely HP are willing to spend the money on code review and lawyers that would be needed to open-source it.

    Well I can't understand the short shortsightedness around porting
    features of HP-UX to Linux. The margin on software is 75% or more. I'm
    not talking about porting HP-UX to IA32. I'm talking about porting
    software such as LVM, Advanced/Online JFS, Ignite, and SD-UX to Linux.

    Red Hat LVM still has functionality (options such as mirroring) that are still (even at RHEL 9.x) Not ported.

    I'm quite sure that both (HP-UX) LVM and Advanced/Online JFS are *not*
    owned by HP/HPE. I forgot the origin of (HP-UX) LVM (IBM? On AIX?). Advanced/Online JFS originates at VERITAS Software.

    'Veritas File System'
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritas_File_System>

    So for that software, you're 'addressing' the wrong company.

    So much revenue opportunity is being lost.

    As John mentioned, it will only *cost* HP a lot of money. 'revenue'?
    75% of 'free' is zero.

    But it's not HP anymore.
    It's Compaq.

    Sorry to rain on your parade, But the Compaq brand hasn't be used by
    HP since 2013. And the organization you're referring to, is HPE, Hewlett Packard Enterprise.

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  • From John Dallman@21:1/5 to Paul A. Weber on Sat Dec 14 23:34:00 2024
    In article <yridnUEhd5nm48f6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    paul@weber.net (Paul A. Weber) wrote:

    Well I can't understand the short shortsightedness around porting
    features of HP-UX to Linux. The margin on software is 75% or more.
    I'm not talking about porting HP-UX to IA32. I'm talking about
    porting software such as LVM, Advanced/Online JFS, Ignite, and
    SD-UX to Linux.

    How does HPE make more money by doing that? Everyone thinks there is a recession on the way, so they don't want to risk money on development
    that could go to executive bonuses.

    In any case, HPE doesn't maintain a Linux of their own that they could
    gain competitive advantage with, nor a cloud service business. They're
    mostly a hardware vendor now.

    So much revenue opportunity is being lost.

    I don't think HPE see it that way, and I'm struggling to see how they
    could make money. Linux's only real competition now is Windows Server.

    But it's not HP anymore. It's Compaq.

    Could you explain a bit? HP bought Compaq, in 2002.

    John

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  • From Paul A. Weber@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Dec 18 16:19:49 2024
    On 12/12/2024 3:43 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Paul A. Weber <paul@weber.net> wrote:
    On 12/9/2024 5:47 AM, John Dallman wrote:
    In article <z3ednY6gDq-hqMv6nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
    paul@weber.net (Paul A. Weber) wrote:

    I'm not sure if anyone from HPE still reads these. My
    understanding is that HP-UX is shelved.

    As you probably know, HP-UX 11i v3 and the IPF-based "Integrity" hardware >>> reach the end of their support lives at the end of this month. All
    previous versions of HP-UX and all the PA-RISC hardware have already left >>> support. There's an overview here:

    <https://www.stromasys.com/resources/hp-ux-end-of-support/>

    Stromasys are keen to sell their PA-RISC emulation software, but they
    don't have an emulator for IPF, and apparently nor does anyone else.

    I'm curious if anyone on the Software Distributor team / Ignite UX
    team has written the code in Python?

    Will HPE opensource the Software Distributor source code? Red Hat
    yum/dnf/rpm strategy is lacking in many areas. Particularly it is
    update and removal (no prerequisite, co-requisite, or ex-requisite).

    I'd make an offer on the source SD-UX and Ignite source code.

    It's deeply unlikely HP are willing to spend the money on code review and >>> lawyers that would be needed to open-source it.

    Well I can't understand the short shortsightedness around porting
    features of HP-UX to Linux. The margin on software is 75% or more. I'm
    not talking about porting HP-UX to IA32. I'm talking about porting
    software such as LVM, Advanced/Online JFS, Ignite, and SD-UX to Linux.

    Red Hat LVM still has functionality (options such as mirroring) that are
    still (even at RHEL 9.x) Not ported.

    I'm quite sure that both (HP-UX) LVM and Advanced/Online JFS are *not* owned by HP/HPE. I forgot the origin of (HP-UX) LVM (IBM? On AIX?). Advanced/Online JFS originates at VERITAS Software.

    'Veritas File System'
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritas_File_System>

    So for that software, you're 'addressing' the wrong company.

    So much revenue opportunity is being lost.

    As John mentioned, it will only *cost* HP a lot of money. 'revenue'?
    75% of 'free' is zero.

    But it's not HP anymore.
    It's Compaq.

    Sorry to rain on your parade, But the Compaq brand hasn't be used by
    HP since 2013. And the organization you're referring to, is HPE, Hewlett Packard Enterprise.

    It is HPE in name. Actually at the merger nearly all the brands that
    were chosen and in production today are legacy Compaq! The Compaq DL
    series of servers was chosen over the HP Netserver, the Compaq laptop
    series was chosen over the Omnibook, the PC monitors were also Compaq,
    etc. I mentioned in another thread the HP Moniker is on the products'
    front but the label on the back stated 'Compaq LTD'.

    IMHO The HP brand is on the front door of the buildings but internally
    HP for the most part became Compaq. Compaq management, Compaq benefits,
    Compaq discounts, Compaq culture. Though the web page is now HP Blue,
    after the merger even the moniker became various colors. The branding
    color started changing in ads and television, but it reverted back to HP
    Blue as the change didn't work.

    HPE Headquarters is now in TX. There was discussion after the merger to
    move HP HQ from Palo Alto to TX (Compaq HQ). The idea then was shot down.

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