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    From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 14 22:34:26 2023
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more recent
    iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated upgrade forced
    me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I *hate*. In
    particular, I want to be able to go back to manually managing the
    library on my iPod. Are there any good 3rd party solutions which allow
    you to manually manage the music/videos on an iPod or which allow you to
    see a unified view (music AND video) of what is on an iPod.

    André

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Isaak on Sat Jul 15 15:22:40 2023
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the same
    as iTunes.

    In particular, I want to be able to go back to manually managing the
    library on my iPod. Are there any good 3rd party solutions which allow
    you to manually manage the music/videos on an iPod or which allow you
    to see a unified view (music AND video) of what is on an iPod.

    Syncing is done through the Finder now, and you still have the option to manually manage music, movies, and TV shows in the General tab.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Jul 15 14:34:43 2023
    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the same
    as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    In particular, I want to be able to go back to manually managing the
    library on my iPod. Are there any good 3rd party solutions which allow
    you to manually manage the music/videos on an iPod or which allow you
    to see a unified view (music AND video) of what is on an iPod.

    Syncing is done through the Finder now, and you still have the option to manually manage music, movies, and TV shows in the General tab.

    The problem is that I don't want to *sync* the iPod. The iPod contains a substantial amount of music which isn't on my current mac and which I do
    not want to be deleted. With iTunes, I could simply copy music files
    from the computer to the iPod without it having an effect on the
    existing contents of the iPod. With the finder's sync function it warns
    me that the contents of the iPod will be erased and replaced with the
    contents of the music library on the computer which I don't want.

    André

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 15 22:53:01 2023
    On Jul 15, 2023 at 1:34:43 PM PDT, "André G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the same
    as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    In particular, I want to be able to go back to manually managing the
    library on my iPod. Are there any good 3rd party solutions which allow
    you to manually manage the music/videos on an iPod or which allow you
    to see a unified view (music AND video) of what is on an iPod.

    Syncing is done through the Finder now, and you still have the option to
    manually manage music, movies, and TV shows in the General tab.

    The problem is that I don't want to *sync* the iPod. The iPod contains a substantial amount of music which isn't on my current mac and which I do
    not want to be deleted. With iTunes, I could simply copy music files
    from the computer to the iPod without it having an effect on the
    existing contents of the iPod. With the finder's sync function it warns
    me that the contents of the iPod will be erased and replaced with the contents of the music library on the computer which I don't want.

    André

    This does not address your issue, but I would recommend you copy the iPod
    files to your Mac. Then you can select those files alone to be synced with
    your iPod.

    Back to your issue: There are number of utilities that will let you copy
    files, including songs, from one device to another. If that's the source of your hatred for the app, it might solve your problems. Seems like DaisyDisk is one of them, but I don't have an iPod.

    I assume you not open a finder window and access file storage on the iPod directly,

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  • From gtr@21:1/5 to gtr on Sat Jul 15 23:13:55 2023
    On Jul 15, 2023 at 3:53:01 PM PDT, "gtr" <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

    I assume you *cannot* open a finder window and access file storage on the iPod
    directly,

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Isaak on Sun Jul 16 01:13:13 2023
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the
    same as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    Have you actually tried dragging music to the iPod in the Music app?

    In particular, I want to be able to go back to manually managing the
    library on my iPod. Are there any good 3rd party solutions which
    allow you to manually manage the music/videos on an iPod or which
    allow you to see a unified view (music AND video) of what is on an
    iPod.

    Syncing is done through the Finder now, and you still have the option
    to manually manage music, movies, and TV shows in the General tab.

    The problem is that I don't want to *sync* the iPod. The iPod contains
    a substantial amount of music which isn't on my current mac and which
    I do not want to be deleted. With iTunes, I could simply copy music
    files from the computer to the iPod without it having an effect on the existing contents of the iPod. With the finder's sync function it
    warns me that the contents of the iPod will be erased and replaced
    with the contents of the music library on the computer which I don't
    want.

    So you've enabled "manually manage music, movies, and TV shows" in the
    General tab and still can't drag music to your iPod in the Finder?

    I'm doubtful of your claim that you can't drag music to the iPod either
    in the Music app or in the Finder. But even if what you say is true, you
    can use a third-party app to copy the music from your iPod to your Mac,
    then sync it back to the iPod.

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  • From Addictive@21:1/5 to agisaak@gm.invalid on Sun Jul 16 17:26:04 2023
    On 15 Jul 2023 at 22:34:43 CEST, "André G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:

    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the same
    as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    In particular, I want to be able to go back to manually managing the
    library on my iPod. Are there any good 3rd party solutions which allow
    you to manually manage the music/videos on an iPod or which allow you
    to see a unified view (music AND video) of what is on an iPod.

    Syncing is done through the Finder now, and you still have the option to
    manually manage music, movies, and TV shows in the General tab.

    The problem is that I don't want to *sync* the iPod. The iPod contains a substantial amount of music which isn't on my current mac and which I do
    not want to be deleted. With iTunes, I could simply copy music files
    from the computer to the iPod without it having an effect on the
    existing contents of the iPod. With the finder's sync function it warns
    me that the contents of the iPod will be erased and replaced with the contents of the music library on the computer which I don't want.

    André


    I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if iMazing also covered your iPod. So just in case, please checkout

    https://imazing.com/

    I don't have an iPod, but this little gem does a wonderful job on all my other iOS thingies.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Addictive on Mon Jul 17 09:09:56 2023
    On 2023-07-16 11:26, Addictive wrote:

    I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if iMazing also covered your iPod. So just in case, please checkout

    https://imazing.com/

    I don't have an iPod, but this little gem does a wonderful job on all my other
    iOS thingies.

    Thanks for the recommendation. This looks promising.

    André

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?=@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Jul 17 13:21:45 2023
    On 2023-07-15 19:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might
    know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the
    same as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    Have you actually tried dragging music to the iPod in the Music app?

    It turns out the you are correct and that this is possible. I had
    neglected to trust the iPod when I had first connected it to the new
    computer which prevented it from showing up in Music.app and which lead
    me to believe that Music.app doesn't display devices in its sidebar like
    iTunes did and the syncing through the finder was the only option.

    Once I trusted the iPod, it does shows up in the Sidebar. So you are
    correct in your original claim that Music.app is mostly the same as iTunes.

    Mea Culpa,

    André

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 14:18:34 2023
    On 2023-07-17 12:21, André G. Isaak wrote:
    On 2023-07-15 19:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G  Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G  Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here might >>>>> know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which I
    *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the
    same as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    Have you actually tried dragging music to the iPod in the Music app?

    It turns out the you are correct and that this is possible. I had
    neglected to trust the iPod when I had first connected it to the new
    computer which prevented it from showing up in Music.app and which lead
    me to believe that Music.app doesn't display devices in its sidebar like iTunes did and the syncing through the finder was the only option.

    Once I trusted the iPod, it does shows up in the Sidebar. So you are
    correct in your original claim that Music.app is mostly the same as iTunes.

    The only thing that's changed...

    ...is that to change the setting to ALLOW manual management of your
    music, you have to do that part in the Finder?

    And frankly, would it be so difficult to provide the same UI in both apps?

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Isaak on Tue Jul 18 03:05:06 2023
    On 2023-07-17, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-07-15 19:13, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    On 2023-07-15 09:22, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-07-15, André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
    This isn't really a macOS question, but I thought someone here
    might know the answer.

    My 2014 iMac running Mojave recently died and I am now on a more
    recent iMac running Monterey. Unfortunately, this unanticipated
    upgrade forced me to switch from iTunes to Music.app/TV.app which
    I *hate*.

    I'm not sure why you'd *hate* the Music app, since it's mostly the
    same as iTunes.

    Except it lacks the ability to copy songs from the mac to the iPod.

    Have you actually tried dragging music to the iPod in the Music app?

    It turns out the you are correct and that this is possible. I had
    neglected to trust the iPod when I had first connected it to the new
    computer which prevented it from showing up in Music.app and which
    lead me to believe that Music.app doesn't display devices in its
    sidebar like iTunes did and the syncing through the finder was the
    only option.

    Once I trusted the iPod, it does shows up in the Sidebar. So you are
    correct in your original claim that Music.app is mostly the same as
    iTunes.

    Mea Culpa,

    No worries. Glad you figured it out.

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