Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
this - as it does on most subjects.
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just
wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up >>>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just >>>> wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need >>>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so much
internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place of
choice.
(I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.)
Personally I would never use cloud storage.
Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if you're
doing high-end graphics or video work, then external Thunderbolt or more internal storage would be better since it's a bit faster.
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard system Applications folder.
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just
wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so much internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place of choice.
(I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.)
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop
up from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is
just wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio
Display is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle,
backlight consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and
camera quality. It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent)
need to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so
much internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage
place of choice. (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet
connection.)
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire folder
to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
On 2024-03-06 18:17, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire
folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
But will creative cloud continue to notify you when updates are
available? It looks at /Applications to see which software you have installed.
Same goes for anything obtained from the App Store -- remove them from /Applications and the App Store will no longer notify you that updates
are available since it won't seem them as being installed.
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire folder
to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
:-)
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>>
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop
up from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is
just wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio
Display is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle,
backlight consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and
camera quality. It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent)
need to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so
much internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage
place of choice. (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet
connection.)
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are suggesting.
iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something from
one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and iCloud.
There are more suitable services available for generic cloud file
storage.
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me
to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing
that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing
projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't suitable
for cloud storage.
I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the cloud.
The list goes on...
Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users. And
I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs.
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are suggesting.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are suggesting.
The default setting isn’t the only setting. You can have a device with 128 GB of storage and 2 TB of data in iCloud if that’s what you want.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are
suggesting.
The default setting isn’t the only setting. You can have a device
with 128 GB of storage and 2 TB of data in iCloud if that’s what you
want.
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are
suggesting.
iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your
devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced
(transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something
from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and
iCloud. There are more suitable services available for generic cloud
file storage.
I don't think that is right.
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily
sending it to other Apple devices.
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause
me to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in
doing that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a
small monthly fee.
I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing
projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't
suitable for cloud storage.
OK - thanks for explaining.
I've learned something new today! https://www.docker.com/resources/what-container/
I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the
cloud.
I glibly accept Apple's free service which seems to work as designed.
Setting up a new iPhone nowadays is a doddle! Just place the new one
next to the old one and "voilà - it's done!
HOW do you back up your mobile devices to your computer?
The list goes on...
Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users.
And I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs.
Understood. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond.
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are
suggesting.
iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your
devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced
(transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something
from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and
iCloud. There are more suitable services available for generic cloud
file storage.
I don't think that is right.
It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization.
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily
sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on
are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it appears
on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it gets removed
from iCloud and your other devices.
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause
me to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in
doing that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a
small monthly fee.
Nothing wrong with that. It's good to have choices.
I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing
projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't
suitable for cloud storage.
OK - thanks for explaining.
I've learned something new today!
https://www.docker.com/resources/what-container/
I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the
cloud.
I glibly accept Apple's free service which seems to work as designed.
Setting up a new iPhone nowadays is a doddle! Just place the new one
next to the old one and "voilà - it's done!
HOW do you back up your mobile devices to your computer?
Apple has instructions on their website, which you can find with quick
web search for "back up iphone".
The list goes on...
Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users.
And I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs.
Understood. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond.
Sure.
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are
suggesting.
iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of
your devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically
synced (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete
something from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other
devices and iCloud. There are more suitable services available for
generic cloud file storage.
I don't think that is right.
It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization.
OK - Being able to take a photograph on my iPhone and have the image
almost instantly available on my iMac and iPad is one of the best
aspects of using Apple.
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily
sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts,
reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on
are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it
appears on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it
gets removed from iCloud and your other devices.
I totally accept that!
However, I can store any other item I wish.
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are suggesting.
The default setting isn’t the only setting. You can have a device with 128 GB of storage and 2 TB of data in iCloud if that’s what you want.
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are
suggesting.
iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of
your devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically
synced (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete
something from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other
devices and iCloud. There are more suitable services available for
generic cloud file storage.
I don't think that is right.
It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization.
OK - Being able to take a photograph on my iPhone and have the image
almost instantly available on my iMac and iPad is one of the best
aspects of using Apple.
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily
sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts,
reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on
are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it
appears on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it
gets removed from iCloud and your other devices.
I totally accept that!
However, I can store any other item I wish.
Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted from
your other devices.
On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up >>>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just >>>> wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need >>>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so much
internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place of
choice.
(I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.)
Personally I would never use cloud storage.
Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if you're
doing high-end graphics or video work, then external Thunderbolt or more internal storage would be better since it's a bit faster.
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard system Applications folder.
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up >>>>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just >>>>> wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display >>>> is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality. >>>> It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need >>>>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so much >>> internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place
of choice.
(I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.)
Personally I would never use cloud storage.
Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if you're
doing high-end graphics or video work, then external Thunderbolt or
more internal storage would be better since it's a bit faster.
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire folder
to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
:-)
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me
to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing
that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a small monthly fee.
On 2024-03-07 04:33, dgb (David) wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me >>> to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing >>> that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a small
monthly fee.
Yeesh! I do hope you have separate copies on physical media that you
can access.
On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily
sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos,
contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app
settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your
devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove one
from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your other
devices.
I totally accept that!
However, I can store any other item I wish.
Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted
from your other devices.
Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud.
If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone and/or
iPad.
See:- https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png
On 2024-03-07 15:47:08 +0000, Alrescha said:
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are
suggesting.
The default setting isn’t the only setting. You can have a device
with 128 GB of storage and 2 TB of data in iCloud if that’s what you
want.
iCloud definitely *is* a storage option, Apple even says so:
"Store, organize and collaborate on files and folders with iCloud
Drive. Easily upload, delete or recover files."
On 7 Mar 2024 at 22:27:39 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07 04:33, dgb (David) wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me >>>> to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing >>>> that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a small >>> monthly fee.
Yeesh! I do hope you have separate copies on physical media that you
can access.
In the days of photographs taken with a camera I have physically printed copies. I also have dozens of CD's containing what I considered 'important' photographs.
With the advent of the iPhone and Apple's iCloud I make do with nothing more than Time Machine backups. Try as I might, I cannot envisage Apple failing to keep my images safe in their iCloud.
If that makes you cringe, please tell me why!
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily
sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos,
contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app
settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your
devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove one
from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your other
devices.
I totally accept that!
However, I can store any other item I wish.
Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted
from your other devices.
Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud.
If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone and/or
iPad.
See:- https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png
No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file storage service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to all of the Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID.
Apple's webpage about it:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109344>
Go ahead and try it for yourself. 😉
On 2024-03-06 18:01, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>>>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that
pop up
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever >>>>>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is >>>>>> just
wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio
Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight >>>>> consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality. >>>>> It's worth every penny I paid for it.
Thank you. That's really good to know. :-)
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent)
need
to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal >>>>> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so
much
internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place
of choice.
(I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.)
Personally I would never use cloud storage.
Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if
you're doing high-end graphics or video work, then external
Thunderbolt or more internal storage would be better since it's a bit
faster.
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
Shouldn't matter, but I doubt a licensed install of, eg, Photoshop
would work very well.
On 7 Mar 2024 at 23:04:03 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>>>>> sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos,
contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app
settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your
devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove
one from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your
other devices.
I totally accept that!
However, I can store any other item I wish.
Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted
from your other devices.
Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud.
If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone
and/or iPad.
See:-
https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png
No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file
storage service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to
all of the Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID.
"Made available to" ......... I accept that. But not installed upon.
On 2024-03-06 17:25, André G. Isaak wrote:
On 2024-03-06 18:17, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire
folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
But will creative cloud continue to notify you when updates are
available? It looks at /Applications to see which software you have
installed.
Are you sure about that?
Same goes for anything obtained from the App Store -- remove them from
/Applications and the App Store will no longer notify you that updates
are available since it won't seem them as being installed.
Really? Show it.
But you can't upload 500 GB of photos to iCloud and not have them on any
of your devices because iCloud isn't an alternate generic cloud storage solution you can use in that manner.
On 2024-03-07 17:39, dgb (David) wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 22:27:39 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07 04:33, dgb (David) wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>
I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me >>>>> to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing >>>>> that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac.
I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a small >>>> monthly fee.
Yeesh! I do hope you have separate copies on physical media that you
can access.
In the days of photographs taken with a camera I have physically printed
copies. I also have dozens of CD's containing what I considered 'important' >> photographs.
With the advent of the iPhone and Apple's iCloud I make do with nothing more >> than Time Machine backups. Try as I might, I cannot envisage Apple failing to
keep my images safe in their iCloud.
If that makes you cringe, please tell me why!
You can never rely on a third party to do what is best for you.
iCloud is _not_ a backup service.
Various famous cases of photo sites losing troves of photos due to
various reasons. Not even time for people to get their photos off.
I would rate Apple as very unlikely to lose your data, but the chances
that they do is a non-zero probability no matter how small.
And probably more likely is that you may end up in a situation where you don't have access to iCloud when when you need it.
Time Machine is not the most reliable backup you can have - it's mighty convenient after a whoopsie, but it's not infallible (or at least the external media isn't).
You need to have static offline backups as well. And that is more work
and maintenance. If your photos are precious - treat them as precious.
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 23:04:03 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>>>>>> sending it to other Apple devices.
That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos,
contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app
settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your
devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove
one from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your
other devices.
I totally accept that!
However, I can store any other item I wish.
Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted
from your other devices.
Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud.
If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone
and/or iPad.
See:-
https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png
No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file
storage service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to
all of the Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID.
"Made available to" ......... I accept that. But not installed upon.
I'm not sure what you are here arguing about. When I take a photo on one device, it is transferred to my other devices. When I add a contact on
one device, it is transferred to my other devices. When I add or change
a calendar event, the same thing happens on my other devices. iCloud is primarily a synchronization service, but it does other things as well.
You seem to want to argue that because iCloud Drive doesn't always automatically download changes to each device that somehow means it's
just like any other cloud storage service, but that's simply not the
case. Most data in iCloud is synchronized to all of your devices, and if
you delete something from iCloud Drive it gets deleted everywhere else.
It is *not* a generic cloud storage service.
On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard
system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire
folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
:-)
And where does the license credential reside?
I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to how
it ran.
Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run it
with the license credentials in effect?
Almost certainly not.
Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years as
you are about proportion?
On 2024-03-07 20:20, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>>>> system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being
anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire
folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
:-)
And where does the license credential reside?
I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to
how it ran.
Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run it
with the license credentials in effect?
Almost certainly not.
Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years
as you are about proportion?
So you don't know where the license credential resides, but my question
is ignorant?
On 2024-03-08 13:41, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-03-07 20:20, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote:
On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote:
More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of >>>>>>>> apps
since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>>>>> system Applications folder.
Huh?
Give an example of one such application.
I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >>>>>> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications.
How much?
To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire
folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder...
...and it seems to work fine.
:-)
And where does the license credential reside?
I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to
how it ran.
Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run
it with the license credentials in effect?
Almost certainly not.
Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years
as you are about proportion?
So you don't know where the license credential resides, but my
question is ignorant?
I didn't say I don't know. I most certainly do.
What's clear is that YOU have no clue about it.
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just
wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just
wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
I'd like to know why you are conversing politely here yet have 'thrown your toys out of the pram' elsewhere.
Will you tell?
On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>
The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
That is my understanding too.
You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just
wonderful - but expensive!
Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
I'd like to know why you are convesing politely here yet have 'thrown your toys out of the pram' elsewhere.
Will you tell?
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