XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

On Jul 14, 2025, Alan wrote
(in article <1052ges$3asah$1@dont-email.me>):

On 2025-07-13 21:50, Marion wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2025 14:17:53 -0400, WolfFan wrote :

None of you ignorant uneducated MAGA Apple trolls knows anything about
Apple.

This is the same WolfFan who claimed he updated his apps without an Apple
ID, which you can do only for certain corporate and developer situations.

He's not said that that I've seen.

I actually do have access to both business and dev accounts and have said so
in the past. But I don't need that access to update apps, and I never said
that I did. Arlen is lying his ass off, again.

Hi WolfFan,

I've known you for years,

No, you haven’t. you don’t know me at all.

and I've never assessed that you ever understand
Apple products, but that's not unusual on an Apple Usenet newsgroup.

Not one of the ignorant uneducated Apple trolls knows anything about Apple. Yet you're all imbued with a herd animal Make Apple Great Again zealotry.

The reason you're MAGA trolls is partly you know nothing about Apple, and, the other part is that you can't believe Apple sucks as bad as it does.

The fact is, EVERY new Apple Account nowadays *requires* 2FA (AFAIK).

Which (in my opinion) is a VERY GOOD IDEA.

a. User accounts (must use a valid phone or existing device)

Which can be a VOIP phone, and texting service...

Yep. Indeed, given that the vast majority of AT&T (and all other telcos in North America and Europe, and most telcos elsewhere) landlines are VOIP (mine at home is, for instance) and every landline from a cableco is also VOIP,
Apple would have to limit phone numbers to cell phones if they didn’t take VOIP. The only difference between a software-only VOIP service and an AT&T ’landline’ is the soource of the service; you can ‘forward’ the AT&T service to any internet-connected device capable of making a call. Including
an iPad. Wanna guess how I _know_ this?

b. Developer accounts (must enable 2FA on the Apple ID used to enroll)
c. Organization Developer accounts (account holder must enable 2FA)

The fact is, for all three types of new Apple Accounts...
a. Needs a trusted device or phone number to receive verification codes.

A phone number, yes. Good.

any phone. any phone at all.

b. Needs a trusted device or phone number to receive verification codes.

"b." is exactly the same as "a.".

Arlen’s an idiot.

c. Team members added to the account also need 2FA to access the resources.

You can manage team access through App Store Connect, but each user must sign in with their own Apple ID that has 2FA enabled.

BTW, Apple has workarounds for people without Apple hardware, but my point is you Apple trolls always prove to know nothing whatsoever about Apple.

You simply lack even the faintest approximation of a clue, Arlen.

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 15:38:04 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :

No other OS OEM requires that. Just Apple.

FYI I have a PhD in economics and statistics.

All I have is a minor in marketing given the undergraduate school I
graduated from only had a Bachelor of Arts, even for the sciences.

So we had to be "well rounded" by having a major, minor & mini.

A minor is eight classes with two at each level, and a mini is half that.

I have followed the tech
sector since I bought a TRS 80 Model 2 in 1980 and used in to start a
small business.

In the 70's, I programmed using punched cards on the IBM 1170 (as I recall,
or it may have been an 1130) and then took COBOL, PL/1, and IBM assembly language, all of which predates the modern languages (like C) of today.

I was the first person in the company to bring a
microcomputer to the office. I demoed Visicalc and a word processor. At
that time we all had IBM 5250 series dumb terminals on our desks.

Somewhere in my garage is a Commodore 64 with one of those Radio Shack
speech synthesizers inserted which said, of all things, "Hello, my name is Otto; how are you?" (since the people I worked with were Dutch).

From the 5250 we went to IBM desktops running DOS and Lotus software.
We did not get internet/network connections (Token Ring) until about
1993/94 when 3.11 Windows for Workgroups came out. We also had a PDP 10 network up and running before that.

In grad school I would boot up the PDP-11 using flip switches on the bottom
at the base to set the boot location, where then I graduated to the DEC/VMS
VAX equipment in Marlborough, and then I was the first to bring a SunOS computer hidden under wraps into the TJ Watson Research Center before Sun
moved on to Solaris, and then that moved on to Redhat Linux.

Somewhere around the Masscomp/SunOS days I used Mac PC, which was an abomination but it was really no worse than the IBM Thinkpad of those days.

When I retired fifteen years ago, I started with Centos since it was the closest to Redhat but moved to Ubuntu (during the Unity crapware days).

I still have that huge "suitcase" black bag for the Mac, by the way.
It's in my garage somewhere, still packed from the last two moves. :)

So yes, I have a long history using everything from DOS command line to
the latest Windows and Apple operating systems.

I wrote a tutorial on how to use EVERY SINGLE command in DOS, even the
hidden undocumented commands, since I had inside access to IBM researchers.

Those days of Peter Norton style commands running on the PC are long gone.

Also Android up to about
5 years ago when I upgraded to Apple iOS.

I noticed you called it an "upgrade" but I wonder if you realize of all
common consumer operating systems, only iOS makes privacy impossible.

For example, the renown Tor browser works on all operating systems, except
on iOS where Webkit is known to lack the privacy required for anonymity.

Another example is that only Apple requires 2FA (or MFA) for every new
account where that account is required for the device to install apps.

Nobody but Apple does that, and yet Apple says they do it in the name of security, and yet, iOS has 1-1/2 times the zero-day exploits of Android.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

It's not just exploits, though, where Apple's requirement that you carry
with you for the rest of your life two devices is absurd when you find out
that Apple doesn't even bother to test huge swaths of their iOS code base!
https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>

Google's Project Zero proved Apple has *never* tested much of the iOS code!
<https://cyberscoop.com/iphone-hack-google-project-zero/>

Given those facts that Apple has some of the worst security practices on
the planet, and yet, Apple requires you to personally identify yourself, doesn't it make you wonder why Apple wants your identity so desperately?

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