• Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H @@@

    From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 8 07:39:04 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 12:03 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 10:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other
    assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have said. >>>>>>>
    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>
    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers.


    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D pairs
    where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and
    we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01

    The one great thing that Mike did was confirm that HH can look
    into all of the details of the internal state of its simulated
    DD machine and still be a computable function. I suspected
    that I might be, yet Mike confirmed that I am correct about this.

    That does not work in reverse though. A computable function is
    is not allowed to look at its caller.


    Right, and thus D can change itself to call the H deciding it, and thus
    needs to be defined to call just one H.

    Also, the question for H isn't the behavior of its caller, but the
    behavior of the machine described by its input.

    There is nothing in that definition that EXCLUDES that machine calling H (though, due to the structure of Turing Machines, that needs to be
    another copy of that machine, as the Linz proof does).

    Your problem is you don't seem to understand the basic English words of
    the problem, maybe because you logic is based on lying and thus needs to
    avoid being to tied to actual definitions.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 8 21:27:58 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 3:36 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 6:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 12:03 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 10:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other >>>>>>>>>> assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have said. >>>>>>>>>
    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>>>
    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers.


    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D
    pairs where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this
    same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and
    we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01

    The one great thing that Mike did was confirm that HH can look
    into all of the details of the internal state of its simulated
    DD machine and still be a computable function. I suspected
    that I might be, yet Mike confirmed that I am correct about this.

    That does not work in reverse though. A computable function is
    is not allowed to look at its caller.


    Right, and thus D can change itself to call the H deciding it, and
    thus needs to be defined to call just one H.

    Also, the question for H isn't the behavior of its caller, but the
    behavior of the machine described by its input.

    There is nothing in that definition that EXCLUDES that machine calling
    H (though, due to the structure of Turing Machines, that needs to be
    another copy of that machine, as the Linz proof does).

    Your problem is you don't seem to understand the basic English words
    of the problem, maybe because you logic is based on lying and thus
    needs to avoid being to tied to actual definitions.

    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*
    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*
    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*

    Nope, just proves my point.


    Am am only paying attention to your reply to this post @@@
    I am not going to sift through all of your weasel words

    Then I will just continue to point out that you are just ignoring that
    your claim have be



    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    Any H/D pair matching the above template where D(D) is simulated
    by the same H(D,D) that it calls cannot possibly reach past its own
    line 03. Simple software engineering verified fact.


    Proven wrong, and not refuted, so just shows that you are

    We also must mutually agree that whenever any executed H(D,D)
    stops simulating its input that no H ever returns any value to any
    simulated D.


    But that is INCORRECT and has been proven wrong.

    THus, you are just proven to be a oathetic ignorant hypocritical
    patholgocial lying idiot who has been proven to be DEAD WRONG.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 8 21:28:01 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 9:21 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 6:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 11:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other
    assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have said. >>>>>>>>
    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>> *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this point* >>>>>>>
    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers.


    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D pairs
    where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this same H(D,D). >>>
    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and
    we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01


    But some is not all.

    Thus, you demonstrate that you do not know how logic works, but think
    that proof by example is a valid proof method for universal qualifiers.



    The template specifies that D(D) is calling the same H(D,D)
    that invokes it. All instances conform to the template.

    Nope, just shows you don't understand the proof that you have spent
    twenty years on, what a waste.

    D calls the H that it is designed to refute.

    Other deciders are allowed to decide it, and many can get the right value.



    I have one concrete instance as fully operational code. https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
    line 555 u32 HH(ptr P, ptr I) its input in on
    line 932 int DD(int (*x)())

    Yep, and it gets the WRONG VALUE that you then just LIE and claim you
    can show that its value shluld be correct.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template specifies an infinite set of finite string H/D pairs
    where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and
    we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01

    8th element of H/D pairs 8 steps of D are simulated by H
    next step of the second recursive simulation at line 02

    9th element of H/D pairs 9 steps of D are simulated by H
    this ends the second recursive simulation before line 03


    And the Rth eleement of the H/D pairs simulates D all the way to the end
    step, proving your "claim" to be false.

    Your ignoring of this fact just proves your stupidity, and dishonesty.

    The fact that you won't make the promise to stop if you are wrong about
    your claim that I haven't proven it, just shows that you admit you might
    be wrong, but will still make the uncondition assertion, knowing it
    might be a lie.


    The fact that I have shown how to build an H that does what you say no
    H can do shows your "proof" is wrong, and thus your basic logic is
    incorrect.

    PROVEN.


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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 8 22:36:09 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 9:46 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 8:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 3:36 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 6:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 12:03 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 10:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other >>>>>>>>>>>> assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have said. >>>>>>>>>>>
    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*

    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers. >>>>>>>>>

    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D
    pairs where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this
    same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and >>>>>> we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01

    The one great thing that Mike did was confirm that HH can look
    into all of the details of the internal state of its simulated
    DD machine and still be a computable function. I suspected
    that I might be, yet Mike confirmed that I am correct about this.

    That does not work in reverse though. A computable function is
    is not allowed to look at its caller.


    Right, and thus D can change itself to call the H deciding it, and
    thus needs to be defined to call just one H.

    Also, the question for H isn't the behavior of its caller, but the
    behavior of the machine described by its input.

    There is nothing in that definition that EXCLUDES that machine
    calling H (though, due to the structure of Turing Machines, that
    needs to be another copy of that machine, as the Linz proof does).

    Your problem is you don't seem to understand the basic English words
    of the problem, maybe because you logic is based on lying and thus
    needs to avoid being to tied to actual definitions.

    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*
    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*
    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*

    Nope, just proves my point.


    Am am only paying attention to your reply to this post @@@
    I am not going to sift through all of your weasel words

    Then I will just continue to point out that you are just ignoring that
    your claim have be



    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    Any H/D pair matching the above template where D(D) is simulated
    by the same H(D,D) that it calls cannot possibly reach past its own
    line 03. Simple software engineering verified fact.


    Proven wrong, and not refuted, so just shows that you are


    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!




    Describing yourself.

    Willing to take the challange?

    If you are wrong, you give this up?

    Or, don't you beleive yourself?

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 8 22:35:36 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 9:45 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 8:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 3:36 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 6:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 12:03 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 10:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other >>>>>>>>>>>> assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have said. >>>>>>>>>>>
    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>> point*

    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers. >>>>>>>>>

    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D
    pairs where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this
    same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and >>>>>> we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01

    The one great thing that Mike did was confirm that HH can look
    into all of the details of the internal state of its simulated
    DD machine and still be a computable function. I suspected
    that I might be, yet Mike confirmed that I am correct about this.

    That does not work in reverse though. A computable function is
    is not allowed to look at its caller.


    Right, and thus D can change itself to call the H deciding it, and
    thus needs to be defined to call just one H.

    Also, the question for H isn't the behavior of its caller, but the
    behavior of the machine described by its input.

    There is nothing in that definition that EXCLUDES that machine
    calling H (though, due to the structure of Turing Machines, that
    needs to be another copy of that machine, as the Linz proof does).

    Your problem is you don't seem to understand the basic English words
    of the problem, maybe because you logic is based on lying and thus
    needs to avoid being to tied to actual definitions.

    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*
    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*
    *The above is all weasel words that ignore the point*

    Nope, just proves my point.


    Am am only paying attention to your reply to this post @@@
    I am not going to sift through all of your weasel words

    Then I will just continue to point out that you are just ignoring that
    your claim have be



    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    Any H/D pair matching the above template where D(D) is simulated
    by the same H(D,D) that it calls cannot possibly reach past its own
    line 03. Simple software engineering verified fact.


    Proven wrong, and not refuted, so just shows that you are

    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!


    Describing yourself.

    Willing to take the challange?

    If you are wrong, you give this up?

    Or, don't you beleive yourself?

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed May 8 22:37:31 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 9:33 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 8:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 9:21 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 6:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 11:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other >>>>>>>>>>> assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have said. >>>>>>>>>>
    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>> point*

    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers. >>>>>>>>

    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D
    pairs where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this
    same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and
    we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01


    But some is not all.

    Thus, you demonstrate that you do not know how logic works, but
    think that proof by example is a valid proof method for universal
    qualifiers.



    The template specifies that D(D) is calling the same H(D,D)
    that invokes it. All instances conform to the template.

    Nope, just shows you don't understand the proof that you have spent
    twenty years on, what a waste.


    *I am not referring to anything besides this*
    *I am not referring to anything besides this*
    *I am not referring to anything besides this*
    *I am not referring to anything besides this*

    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    Any H/D pair matching the above template where D(D) is simulated
    by the same H(D,D) that it calls cannot possibly reach past its own
    line 03. Simple software engineering verified fact.



    Proven wrong, as I described how to make an H that correctly simulates
    the input to the final state.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu May 9 07:25:43 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    On 5/8/24 11:49 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 9:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 9:33 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 8:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 9:21 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 6:39 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 11:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 10:39 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 9:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/7/2024 5:42 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/7/24 1:31 PM, olcott wrote:

    Once someone has definitely proven to not be telling the truth >>>>>>>>>>>>> about any specific point it is correct to assume any other >>>>>>>>>>>>> assertions about this same point are also false until evidence >>>>>>>>>>>>> arises to the contrary.

    Then I guess we can just go and ignore everything you have >>>>>>>>>>>> said.

    PERIOD.

    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>>> point*
    *Below I prove that you are not telling the truth about this >>>>>>>>>>> point*

    Message-ID: <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org>
    *When you interpret*
    On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote:
    *Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly*
    *stop running unless aborted by H*

    as *D NEVER simulated by H*

    you have shown a reckless disregard for the truth
    that would win a defamation case.

    Nope, It is clear you don't understand the logic of qualifiers. >>>>>>>>>>

    *Prove it on this point*
    Exactly how can ALWAYS: ∀x be construed as NEVER: ∄x

    if there are no x.


    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    The above template defines an infinite set of finite string H/D
    pairs where each D(D) that is simulated by H(D,D) also calls this >>>>>>> same H(D,D).

    I have one concrete fully operational instance of H/D pairs so
    we know that more than zero of them exist.

    I can adapt this one concrete instance to be the 7 shown below and >>>>>>> we can extrapolate the trend from there:

    1st element of H/D pairs 1 step of D is simulated by H
    2nd element of H/D pairs 2 steps of D are simulated by H
    3rd element of H/D pairs 3 steps of D are simulated by H

    4th element of H/D pairs 4 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the first recursive simulation at line 01

    5th element of H/D pairs 5 steps of D are simulated by
    next step of the first recursive simulation at line 02

    6th element of H/D pairs 6 steps of D are simulated by
    last step of the first recursive simulation at line 03

    7th element of H/D pairs 7 steps of D are simulated by H
    this begins the second recursive simulation at line 01


    But some is not all.

    Thus, you demonstrate that you do not know how logic works, but
    think that proof by example is a valid proof method for universal
    qualifiers.



    The template specifies that D(D) is calling the same H(D,D)
    that invokes it. All instances conform to the template.

    Nope, just shows you don't understand the proof that you have spent
    twenty years on, what a waste.


    *I am not referring to anything besides this*
    *I am not referring to anything besides this*
    *I am not referring to anything besides this*
    *I am not referring to anything besides this*

    00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
    01 int D(ptr x)
    02 {
    03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
    04   if (Halt_Status)
    05     HERE: goto HERE;
    06   return Halt_Status;
    07 }
    08
    09 int main()
    10 {
    11   H(D,D);
    12 }

    Any H/D pair matching the above template where D(D) is simulated
    by the same H(D,D) that it calls cannot possibly reach past its own
    line 03. Simple software engineering verified fact.



    Proven wrong, as I described how to make an H that correctly simulates
    the input to the final state.

    *As always ONLY BY THE STRAW-MAN DECEPTION*
    *As always ONLY BY THE STRAW-MAN DECEPTION*
    *As always ONLY BY THE STRAW-MAN DECEPTION*
    *As always ONLY BY THE STRAW-MAN DECEPTION*


    Nope, but your whole argument is based on one, which is why you can't
    let yourself actually define any of your terms, as it would let the scam
    out of the bag.

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  • From joes@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 9 12:34:13 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    Am Wed, 08 May 2024 22:36:31 -0400 schrieb Richard Damon:

    On 5/8/24 9:47 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 8:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 5/8/24 3:36 PM, olcott wrote:
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!
    Liar Liar pants on fire !!!

    Describing yourself.
    Willing to take the challange?
    If you are wrong, you give this up?
    Or, don't you beleive yourself?
    Or are you just chicken?

    Dear Richard,
    please don’t feed the troll. Counterspamming accomplishes nothing.
    Regards

    --
    joes

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