• "undecidable" / "unentscheidbar" (Was Analytic Truth-makers)

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Tue Jul 23 23:02:01 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    For example Gödel belongs to the generation of
    logicians that use the term "undecidable".
    In German the term is translated to "unentscheidbar":

    Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der Principia Mathematica und
    verwandter Systeme I" ("On Formally Undecidable Propositions of
    Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Formally_Undecidable_Propositions_of_Principia_Mathematica_and_Related_Systems

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Since generations logicians have called sentences
    which you clumsily call "not a truth-bearer",
    simple called "undecidable" sentences.

    A theory is incomplete, if it has undecidable
    sentences. There is a small difference between
    unprovable and undecidable.

    An unprovable senetence A is only a sentence with:

    ~True(L, A).

    An undecidable sentence A is a sentence with:

    ~True(L, A) & ~True(L, ~A)

    Meaning the sentence itself and its complement
    are both unprovable.

    olcott schrieb:
    ~True(L,x) ∧ ~True(L,~x)
    means that x is not a truth-bearer in L.
    It does not mean that L is incomplete

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Tue Jul 23 23:13:06 2024
    XPost: sci.logic

    That Gödel emphasized "formal" in his paper
    has to do that his "decidable" comes from an
    ontology related to syntactic derivability.

    "deciable" is defined on the basis of the
    notion of general validity embodied as
    provability. But Gödel wasn't that one dimensional,

    you find also a semantic leaning terminology
    in some of his papers, for example his completeness
    theorem. There he uses another terminology,

    which doesn't have a one-to-one mapping to
    "decidable". He uses notions such as "erfüllbar"
    or "statisfiable", and "unerfüllbar" or

    "unsatisfiable". The main theorem here is:

    an unprovable sentences A is satisfiable by a counter
    model, meaning its complement has a model.

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    For example Gödel belongs to the generation of
    logicians that use the term "undecidable".
    In German the term is translated to "unentscheidbar":

    Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der Principia Mathematica und
    verwandter Systeme I" ("On Formally Undecidable Propositions of
    Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Formally_Undecidable_Propositions_of_Principia_Mathematica_and_Related_Systems


    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Since generations logicians have called sentences
    which you clumsily call "not a truth-bearer",
    simple called "undecidable" sentences.

    A theory is incomplete, if it has undecidable
    sentences. There is a small difference between
    unprovable and undecidable.

    An unprovable senetence A is only a sentence with:

    ~True(L, A).

    An undecidable sentence A is a sentence with:

    ~True(L, A) & ~True(L, ~A)

    Meaning the sentence itself and its complement
    are both unprovable.

    olcott schrieb:
    ~True(L,x) ∧ ~True(L,~x)
    means that x is not a truth-bearer in L.
    It does not mean that L is incomplete


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