• Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- strawman deception

    From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Aug 1 11:20:37 2024
    On 2024-07-30 21:35:20 +0000, olcott said:

    On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-26 13:58:54 +0000, olcott said:

    On 7/26/2024 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-24 13:38:08 +0000, olcott said:


    That is off topic. I am only referring to  a sequence of
    1 to N x86 machine language instructions simulated according
    to the x86 semantic meaning of these instructions.

    No, it isn't. Abortion of simulation is a deviation form x86 macine
    language semantics. What I ask about does not deviate more.

    In other words you are saying that it is absolutely impossible
    to make an x86 program that is an x86 emulator that correctly
    emulates a finite number of instructions of non-terminating
    input x86 machine code.

    You are lying again. That is not the same in other words, and I am
    not saying what you falsely claim.

    If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions
    where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of
    instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the
    point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify
    countinuation.

    <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
    If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D*
    *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never*
    *stop running unless aborted* then

    H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
    specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
    </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

    Since you knew that all along I can't take your reply above as
    anything but a strawman deception attempt at rebuttal.

    That you cannot take my reply as what it is does not make my
    reply anything other than what it is.

    However, you should note that Sipser's agreement is not published in
    a respectable publication you cannot use it in a publishable article.
    Instead, you may quote what he has actually published.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Aug 1 19:33:26 2024
    On 8/1/24 8:25 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 8/1/2024 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-30 21:35:20 +0000, olcott said:

    On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-26 13:58:54 +0000, olcott said:

    On 7/26/2024 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-24 13:38:08 +0000, olcott said:


    That is off topic. I am only referring to  a sequence of
    1 to N x86 machine language instructions simulated according
    to the x86 semantic meaning of these instructions.

    No, it isn't. Abortion of simulation is a deviation form x86 macine >>>>>> language semantics. What I ask about does not deviate more.

    In other words you are saying that it is absolutely impossible
    to make an x86 program that is an x86 emulator that correctly
    emulates a finite number of instructions of non-terminating
    input x86 machine code.

    You are lying again. That is not the same in other words, and I am
    not saying what you falsely claim.

    If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions
    where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of
    instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the
    point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify
    countinuation.

    <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
         If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D*
         *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never* >>>      *stop running unless aborted* then

         H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
         specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
    </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

    Since you knew that all along I can't take your reply above as
    anything but a strawman deception attempt at rebuttal.

    That you cannot take my reply as what it is does not make my
    reply anything other than what it is.

    However, you should note that Sipser's agreement is not published in
    a respectable publication you cannot use it in a publishable article.
    Instead, you may quote what he has actually published.


    He gave me permission to quote him.
    Several people noted that it is is a freaking tautology.


    Which you change into a falsehood by redefining the words, proving
    yourself to be a LIAR.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Sat Aug 3 12:42:11 2024
    On 2024-08-01 12:25:36 +0000, olcott said:

    On 8/1/2024 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-30 21:35:20 +0000, olcott said:

    On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-26 13:58:54 +0000, olcott said:

    On 7/26/2024 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
    On 2024-07-24 13:38:08 +0000, olcott said:


    That is off topic. I am only referring to  a sequence of
    1 to N x86 machine language instructions simulated according
    to the x86 semantic meaning of these instructions.

    No, it isn't. Abortion of simulation is a deviation form x86 macine >>>>>> language semantics. What I ask about does not deviate more.

    In other words you are saying that it is absolutely impossible
    to make an x86 program that is an x86 emulator that correctly
    emulates a finite number of instructions of non-terminating
    input x86 machine code.

    You are lying again. That is not the same in other words, and I am
    not saying what you falsely claim.

    If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions
    where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of
    instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the
    point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify
    countinuation.

    <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
         If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D*
         *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never* >>>      *stop running unless aborted* then

         H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
         specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
    </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

    Since you knew that all along I can't take your reply above as
    anything but a strawman deception attempt at rebuttal.

    That you cannot take my reply as what it is does not make my
    reply anything other than what it is.

    However, you should note that Sipser's agreement is not published in
    a respectable publication you cannot use it in a publishable article.
    Instead, you may quote what he has actually published.

    He gave me permission to quote him.
    Several people noted that it is is a freaking tautology.

    You may quote him as "private communication" but that kind of quote is
    only a way to say him "thank you". It cannot replace a proof.

    --
    Mikko

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