• Re: ChatGPT correctly analyzed the first page of my paper:

    From Alan Mackenzie@21:1/5 to olcott on Tue Oct 1 19:15:24 2024
    olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 7:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D

    [ .... ]


    https://chatgpt.com/share/66fbec5c-7b10-8011-9ce6-3c26424cb21c


    The above link to a ChatGPT conversation is entirely
    complete with the first part being the entire input
    provided to ChatGPT. The second part is the output that
    ChatGPT deriving from analyzing this input.

    You are aware that programs like ChatGPT are know for "hallucinating" non-facts? They have even less understanding of the truth than you do.

    In fact, they tend to regurgitate whatever "facts" they are fed with.
    It seems likely you fed ChatGPT with the same non-facts that you have
    been promulgating on this newsgroup. Quoting the output of that program
    as though it were some authority is even less well founded than a proof
    by quoting a real authority.

    --
    Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

    --
    Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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  • From Alan Mackenzie@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed Oct 2 09:42:19 2024
    olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 2:15 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 7:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D

    [ .... ]


    https://chatgpt.com/share/66fbec5c-7b10-8011-9ce6-3c26424cb21c


    The above link to a ChatGPT conversation is entirely
    complete with the first part being the entire input
    provided to ChatGPT. The second part is the output that
    ChatGPT deriving from analyzing this input.

    You are aware that programs like ChatGPT are know for "hallucinating"
    non-facts? They have even less understanding of the truth than you do.

    In fact, they tend to regurgitate whatever "facts" they are fed with.

    In other words you can convince it that its analysis
    of my work is incorrect. I dare you to try to do that.

    I've got better things to do with my time. Real live competent
    mathematicians have shown your work to be incorrect. What a dumb chat
    program regurgitates has no relevance to anything.

    [ .... ]

    --
    Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

    --
    Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed Oct 2 07:11:26 2024
    On 10/1/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 2:15 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 7:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D

    [ .... ]


    https://chatgpt.com/share/66fbec5c-7b10-8011-9ce6-3c26424cb21c


    The above link to a ChatGPT conversation is entirely
    complete with the first part being the entire input
    provided to ChatGPT. The second part is the output that
    ChatGPT deriving from analyzing this input.

    You are aware that programs like ChatGPT are know for "hallucinating"
    non-facts?  They have even less understanding of the truth than you do.

    In fact, they tend to regurgitate whatever "facts" they are fed with.

    In other words you can convince it that its analysis
    of my work is incorrect. I dare you to try to do that.

    That's simple. D Halts (since the H it calls returns) so H(D) saying it
    doesn't is just wrong.

    Your arguements that try to justify a wrong answer are all based on
    trying to change definitions, proving you are just a liar that doesn't
    know what he is talking about.

    The fact you refuse to actually even TRY to refute that claim just shows
    you KNOW you are wrong.

    Sorry, that *IS* the facts.


    It seems likely you fed ChatGPT with the same non-facts that you have
    been promulgating on this newsgroup.  Quoting the output of that program
    as though it were some authority is even less well founded than a proof
    by quoting a real authority.

    --
    Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer




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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed Oct 2 18:55:21 2024
    On 10/2/24 10:47 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/2/2024 6:11 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/1/24 7:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 2:15 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/1/2024 7:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological
    Input D

    [ .... ]


    https://chatgpt.com/share/66fbec5c-7b10-8011-9ce6-3c26424cb21c


    The above link to a ChatGPT conversation is entirely
    complete with the first part being the entire input
    provided to ChatGPT. The second part is the output that
    ChatGPT deriving from analyzing this input.

    You are aware that programs like ChatGPT are know for "hallucinating"
    non-facts?  They have even less understanding of the truth than you do. >>>>
    In fact, they tend to regurgitate whatever "facts" they are fed with.

    In other words you can convince it that its analysis
    of my work is incorrect. I dare you to try to do that.

    That's simple. D Halts (since the H it calls returns) so H(D) saying
    it doesn't is just wrong.

    Your arguements that try to justify a wrong answer are all based on
    trying to change definitions, proving you are just a liar that doesn't
    know what he is talking about.

    The fact you refuse to actually even TRY to refute that claim just
    shows you KNOW you are wrong.

    Sorry, that *IS* the facts.

    *Try this yourself*

    https://chatgpt.com/share/66fbec5c-7b10-8011-9ce6-3c26424cb21c

    Does HHH have to abort its emulation of DDD to prevent the infinite
    execution of DDD?

    You know that unless HHH aborts its emulation of DDD that
    neither HHH nor DDD will ever terminate normally.

    Your weasel words can fool the less intelligent people here.
    They cannot fool ChatGPT. Try to fool ChatGPT with your weasel words.


    As I mentioned elsewhere, ChatGPT will admit that it now thinks it is ok
    to give the WRONG answer, i.e. to LIE.

    Sorry, you have just proved that you logic is incorrect and that you do
    not understand what TRUTH means.

    Sorry, you re just proving you don't understand what you are talking about.

    WHen pressed about the validity of lying, it responded with:

    While there may be specific scenarios where a conservative response is
    provided to prevent immediate harm, it is generally more ethical and constructive to admit when you don’t know the answer. This approach
    promotes transparency, encourages learning, and fosters trust, all of
    which are valuable in both personal and professional contexts.


    Since there is NO danger of "immediate harm" in answering about the
    halting problem, there is no justifcation to LYING about the answer.

    That you have convinced the AI to LIE about the answer, just shows how pathological incorrect your reasoning is.

    Sorry, that is just the basic facts. You are just showing that you
    believe LYING about things is acceptable behavior, and thus you are
    bound for that lake of fire.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Oct 3 15:18:57 2024
    On 2024-10-02 14:36:27 +0000, olcott said:

    ChatGPT has not been indoctrinated thus reports on what it
    sees.

    ChatGPT does not report. It puts words after words in a way that
    satisfies the syntax rules of ordinary English. It does not know
    anything about meanings of those words and sentences.

    --
    Mikko

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