• Re: Even Google AI Overview understands me now --- My Stupid Mistake

    From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Sun Oct 6 18:36:16 2024
    On 10/6/24 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 1:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 2:32 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 1:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 2:03 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 12:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 1:07 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 11:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 8:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly
    exist never returns. Each of these HHH emulators that does
    return 0 correctly reports the above non-halting behavior.




    No, the DDD return (if the HHH(DDD) gives an answer), just after >>>>>>>> the HHH that emulated them gave up.


    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly
    exist never returns.

    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH

    Which, as you have been told but seems to be above your head means >>>>>> that the execution of DDD,

    gets to ignore the fact that DDD was defined to
    have a pathological relationship with HHH that
    HHH cannot ignore.


    No, that isn't ignoring it, but taking into account that since HHH
    is defined to be a specific program, it has specific behavior.


    The behavior of the executed DDD after the emulated
    DDD has already been aborted is different than the
    behavior of the emulated DDD that must be aborted.

    Nope, it is the exact same code on the exact same data, and thus does
    the exact same behavior.


    The execution trace proves that the executed DDD has
    different behavior that need not be aborted because
    emulated DDD must be an is aborted.

    Nope, whst instruction ACTUALLY EMULATE showed a different behavior than
    the executed DDD?

    All you do is look at a DIFFERENT INPUT which is just a lie, since that
    isn't the DDD that HHH was given (since the PROGRAM DDD includes the all
    the exact code of the HHH that it calls, thus you can't change it to
    hypothosze a diffferent non-aborting HHH)


    No one can be stupid enough to think that:
    MUST BE ABORTED
      is exactly the same as
    NEED NOT BE ABORTED


    Who said otherwise.

    The DDD that HHH is given does not need to be aborted, becuase HHH DOES
    Abort it because that is what its code says to do.

    Since we can give that exact code (including that HHH) to HHH1 which
    doesn't abort it, we see that HHH didn't NEED to abort it, but does.

    You just don't understand what a program is, or more properly, you
    refuse to understand what a program is because it would show the flaw in
    your proof.


    In other words, you are just proving that


    PPPP EEEEE TTTTT EEEEE RRRR
    P P E T E R R
    P P E T E R R
    PPPP EEEEE T EEEEE RRRR
    P E T E R R
    P E T E R R
    P EEEEE T EEEEE R R


    OOO L CCC OOO TTTTT TTTTT
    O O L C C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C C O O T T
    OOO LLLLL CCC OOO T T


    L IIIII EEEEE SSS
    L I E S S
    L I E S
    L I EEEEE SSS
    L I E S
    L I E S S
    LLLLL IIIII EEEEE SSS


    AND THINKS THAT IS JUST OK.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Sun Oct 6 21:29:30 2024
    On 10/6/24 8:05 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 1:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 2:32 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 1:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 2:03 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 12:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 1:07 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 11:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 8:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly >>>>>>>>>>> exist never returns. Each of these HHH emulators that does >>>>>>>>>>> return 0 correctly reports the above non-halting behavior. >>>>>>>>>>>



    No, the DDD return (if the HHH(DDD) gives an answer), just >>>>>>>>>> after the HHH that emulated them gave up.


    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly
    exist never returns.

    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH

    Which, as you have been told but seems to be above your head
    means that the execution of DDD,

    gets to ignore the fact that DDD was defined to
    have a pathological relationship with HHH that
    HHH cannot ignore.


    No, that isn't ignoring it, but taking into account that since HHH >>>>>> is defined to be a specific program, it has specific behavior.


    The behavior of the executed DDD after the emulated
    DDD has already been aborted is different than the
    behavior of the emulated DDD that must be aborted.

    Nope, it is the exact same code on the exact same data, and thus
    does the exact same behavior.


    The execution trace proves that the executed DDD has
    different behavior that need not be aborted because
    emulated DDD must be an is aborted.

    Nope, whst instruction ACTUALLY EMULATE showed a different behavior
    than the executed DDD?

    All you do is look at a DIFFERENT INPUT which is just a lie, since
    that isn't the DDD that HHH was given (since the PROGRAM DDD includes
    the all the exact code of the HHH that it calls, thus you can't change
    it to hypothosze a diffferent non-aborting HHH)


    No one can be stupid enough to think that:
    MUST BE ABORTED
       is exactly the same as
    NEED NOT BE ABORTED


    Who said otherwise.


    The directly executed DDD need not be aborted.
    DDD emulated by HHH must be aborted, thus
    proving that their behavior IS NOT THE SAME.


    No, the design of HHH does abort its emulation, because if you had a
    DIFFERENT HHH, which would be given a DIFFERENT DDD (since DDD includes
    the HHH that it is calling) it would fail worse at the task at the
    meta-level by not answering.

    Once you define that *THIS* version of HHH *WILL* abort its emulation of
    DDD, then it turns out that it didn't need to, as shown by the complete emulation done by HHH1.

    So, your UTTER STUPIDITY is revealed by the fact that you think it is ok
    to look at a different input then the one actually given, or perhaps you
    just don't understand what a program actually is because you have CHOSEN
    to be ignorant.

    Either way, you have been shown the truth, but reject it, thus making
    your statements just blantant pathological lies.

    Your arguement is based on comparing apples to oranges (The DDD calling
    the HHH that abort, which is the actual DDD in the system, and the DDD
    that calls some other thing desceptively also called HHH that doesn't,
    which is what this HHH acts like DDD is calling), and that has been
    shown to you, but you ignore it.

    In other words, you are just proving that


    PPPP EEEEE TTTTT EEEEE RRRR
    P P E T E R R
    P P E T E R R
    PPPP EEEEE T EEEEE RRRR
    P E T E R R
    P E T E R R
    P EEEEE T EEEEE R R


    OOO L CCC OOO TTTTT TTTTT
    O O L C C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C C O O T T
    OOO LLLLL CCC OOO T T


    L IIIII EEEEE SSS
    L I E S S
    L I E S
    L I EEEEE SSS
    L I E S
    L I E S S
    LLLLL IIIII EEEEE SSS


    AND THINKS THAT IS JUST OK.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Mon Oct 7 07:02:58 2024
    On 10/6/24 10:05 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 8:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 8:05 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 5:36 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 1:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 2:32 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 1:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 2:03 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 12:29 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 1:07 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 11:59 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/6/24 8:39 AM, olcott wrote:

    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>> exist never returns. Each of these HHH emulators that does >>>>>>>>>>>>> return 0 correctly reports the above non-halting behavior. >>>>>>>>>>>>>



    No, the DDD return (if the HHH(DDD) gives an answer), just >>>>>>>>>>>> after the HHH that emulated them gave up.


    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH that can possibly >>>>>>>>>>> exist never returns.

    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH
    DDD emulated by each corresponding HHH

    Which, as you have been told but seems to be above your head >>>>>>>>>> means that the execution of DDD,

    gets to ignore the fact that DDD was defined to
    have a pathological relationship with HHH that
    HHH cannot ignore.


    No, that isn't ignoring it, but taking into account that since >>>>>>>> HHH is defined to be a specific program, it has specific behavior. >>>>>>>>

    The behavior of the executed DDD after the emulated
    DDD has already been aborted is different than the
    behavior of the emulated DDD that must be aborted.

    Nope, it is the exact same code on the exact same data, and thus
    does the exact same behavior.


    The execution trace proves that the executed DDD has
    different behavior that need not be aborted because
    emulated DDD must be an is aborted.

    Nope, whst instruction ACTUALLY EMULATE showed a different behavior
    than the executed DDD?

    All you do is look at a DIFFERENT INPUT which is just a lie, since
    that isn't the DDD that HHH was given (since the PROGRAM DDD
    includes the all the exact code of the HHH that it calls, thus you
    can't change it to hypothosze a diffferent non-aborting HHH)


    No one can be stupid enough to think that:
    MUST BE ABORTED
       is exactly the same as
    NEED NOT BE ABORTED


    Who said otherwise.


    The directly executed DDD need not be aborted.
    DDD emulated by HHH must be aborted, thus
    proving that their behavior IS NOT THE SAME.


    No, the design of HHH does abort its emulation, because if you had a
    DIFFERENT HHH, which would be given a DIFFERENT DDD (since DDD
    includes the HHH that it is calling) it would fail worse at the task
    at the meta- level by not answering.


    That you are not addressing my points seems to be over your head.


    No, the fact that I *AM* adddressing your points and pointing out your
    error just proves that you are nothing but a stupid idiot.

    That you don't even try to point out an error in what I say, proves that
    you don't actually care about what is right, but that you just want to
    blindly hold on to your position. The fact that you consistantly snip
    out much of the arguement shows that you know you are defeated, but
    still insist on your WRONG position.

    Halting is a property of PROGRAMS.

    Programs include ALL the code they use.

    Thus, the input program DDD includes the specific version of HHH that it
    cals.

    Changing the code of that HHH (to not abort) means it is a different
    program, and thus we have a different DDD being talked about.

    Thus, your arguement is based on a LIE, that HHH needs to abort THIS DDD because if a different program didn't abort its emulation of a different
    input, it would not halt.

    Note, trying to change deffinitions is just one form of lying.

    In other words, you are just proving that


    PPPP EEEEE TTTTT EEEEE RRRR
    P P E T E R R
    P P E T E R R
    PPPP EEEEE T EEEEE RRRR
    P E T E R R
    P E T E R R
    P EEEEE T EEEEE R R


    OOO L CCC OOO TTTTT TTTTT
    O O L C C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C O O T T
    O O L C C O O T T
    OOO LLLLL CCC OOO T T


    L IIIII EEEEE SSS
    L I E S S
    L I E S
    L I EEEEE SSS
    L I E S
    L I E S S
    LLLLL IIIII EEEEE SSS


    AND THINKS THAT IS JUST OK.

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