• Re: They actual truth is that ...

    From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Oct 10 21:39:10 2024
    On 10/10/24 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 2:26 PM, wij wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 17:05 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
    On 2024-10-09 19:34:34 +0000, Alan Mackenzie said:

    Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> wrote:
    On 10/8/24 8:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
    ... after a short break.

         Richard -- no-one sane carries on an extended discussion with >>>>>>> someone they [claim to] consider a "stupid liar".  So which are you? >>>>>>> Not sane?  Or stupid enough to try to score points off someone
    who is
    incapable of conceding them?  Or lying when you describe Peter?  You >>>>>>> must surely have better things to do.  Meanwhile, you surely noticed >>>>>>> that Peter is running rings around you.

    In other words, you don't understand the concept of defense of the >>>>>> truth.

    Maybe, but continuously calling your debating opponent a liar, and
    doing
    so in oversized upper case, goes beyond truth and comes perilously
    close
    to stalking.

    Calling a liar a liar is fully justified. I don't know how often it
    needs be done but readers of a liar may want to know that they are
    reading a liar.

    We know Peter Olcott has lied in things that matter.  However, I believe >>> his continual falsehoods are more a matter of delusion than mendacity.
    As Mike Terry has said, OP's intellectual capacity is low.  Calling him >>> a liar in virtually every post is, I think, unwarranted.

    It detracts from the substance of your posts, and makes
    them, for me at least, thoroughly unpleasant to read.

    You probably needn't read them.

    As I said, I mostly don't - which is a pity, since Richard Damon often
    posts stuff worth reading.

    As soon you find out that they repeat the same over and over, neither
    correcting their substantial errors nor improving their arguments you
    have read enough.

    --
    Mikko

    olcott deliberately lies (he knows what is told, he choose to
    distort). olcott

    When the behavior of DDD emulated by HHH is the measure then:

    But since it isn't, your whole argument falls apart.

    Sorry, you are just admitting to being a liar with that statement.

    You have even quoted the definition of halting, and thus show you KNOW
    that you statement is false.


    (a) Each DDD emulated by any HHH that it calls never returns.

    (b) Each of the directly executed HHH emulator/analyzers that returns
        0 correctly reports the above non-terminating behavior of its input.



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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Fri Oct 11 07:04:00 2024
    On 10/10/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 8:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/10/24 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 2:26 PM, wij wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 17:05 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
    On 2024-10-09 19:34:34 +0000, Alan Mackenzie said:

    Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> wrote:
    On 10/8/24 8:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
    ... after a short break.

         Richard -- no-one sane carries on an extended discussion with
    someone they [claim to] consider a "stupid liar".  So which are >>>>>>>>> you?
    Not sane?  Or stupid enough to try to score points off someone >>>>>>>>> who is
    incapable of conceding them?  Or lying when you describe Peter? >>>>>>>>> You
    must surely have better things to do.  Meanwhile, you surely >>>>>>>>> noticed
    that Peter is running rings around you.

    In other words, you don't understand the concept of defense of >>>>>>>> the truth.

    Maybe, but continuously calling your debating opponent a liar,
    and doing
    so in oversized upper case, goes beyond truth and comes
    perilously close
    to stalking.

    Calling a liar a liar is fully justified. I don't know how often it >>>>>> needs be done but readers of a liar may want to know that they are >>>>>> reading a liar.

    We know Peter Olcott has lied in things that matter.  However, I
    believe
    his continual falsehoods are more a matter of delusion than mendacity. >>>>> As Mike Terry has said, OP's intellectual capacity is low.  Calling >>>>> him
    a liar in virtually every post is, I think, unwarranted.

    It detracts from the substance of your posts, and makes
    them, for me at least, thoroughly unpleasant to read.

    You probably needn't read them.

    As I said, I mostly don't - which is a pity, since Richard Damon often >>>>> posts stuff worth reading.

    As soon you find out that they repeat the same over and over, neither >>>>>> correcting their substantial errors nor improving their arguments you >>>>>> have read enough.

    --
    Mikko

    olcott deliberately lies (he knows what is told, he choose to
    distort). olcott

    When the behavior of DDD emulated by HHH is the measure then:

    But since it isn't, your whole argument falls apart.


    Ah a breakthrough.



    And an admission that you are just working on a lie.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to olcott on Fri Oct 11 09:05:19 2024
    On 10/11/24 8:19 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/11/2024 6:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/10/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 8:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 10/10/24 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 10/10/2024 2:26 PM, wij wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 17:05 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
    On 2024-10-09 19:34:34 +0000, Alan Mackenzie said:

    Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> wrote:
    On 10/8/24 8:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
    ... after a short break.

         Richard -- no-one sane carries on an extended discussion >>>>>>>>>>> with
    someone they [claim to] consider a "stupid liar".  So which >>>>>>>>>>> are you?
    Not sane?  Or stupid enough to try to score points off
    someone who is
    incapable of conceding them?  Or lying when you describe >>>>>>>>>>> Peter? You
    must surely have better things to do.  Meanwhile, you surely >>>>>>>>>>> noticed
    that Peter is running rings around you.

    In other words, you don't understand the concept of defense of >>>>>>>>>> the truth.

    Maybe, but continuously calling your debating opponent a liar, >>>>>>>>> and doing
    so in oversized upper case, goes beyond truth and comes
    perilously close
    to stalking.

    Calling a liar a liar is fully justified. I don't know how often it >>>>>>>> needs be done but readers of a liar may want to know that they are >>>>>>>> reading a liar.

    We know Peter Olcott has lied in things that matter.  However, I >>>>>>> believe
    his continual falsehoods are more a matter of delusion than
    mendacity.
    As Mike Terry has said, OP's intellectual capacity is low.
    Calling him
    a liar in virtually every post is, I think, unwarranted.

    It detracts from the substance of your posts, and makes
    them, for me at least, thoroughly unpleasant to read.

    You probably needn't read them.

    As I said, I mostly don't - which is a pity, since Richard Damon >>>>>>> often
    posts stuff worth reading.

    As soon you find out that they repeat the same over and over,
    neither
    correcting their substantial errors nor improving their
    arguments you
    have read enough.

    --
    Mikko

    olcott deliberately lies (he knows what is told, he choose to
    distort). olcott

    When the behavior of DDD emulated by HHH is the measure then:

    But since it isn't, your whole argument falls apart.


    Ah a breakthrough.



    And an admission that you are just working on a lie.


    Perhaps you are unaware of how valid deductive inference works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

    You can disagree that the premise to my reasoning is true.
    By changing my premise as the basis of your rebuttal you
    commit the strawman error.



    So, how do you get from the DEFINITION of Halting being a behavior of
    the actual machine, to something that can be talked about by a PARTIAL emulation with a different final behavior.

    Your whole logic is based on those strawman of you claiming critria to
    be "similar enough" when they are not (a blantant strawman) and logic
    that is based on false premises that you just assume to be true.

    All you are doing is PROVING that you seem to know the words about what
    you are tryig to be, but are totally ignorant about the actual meaning
    of them.

    You need to start with the actual true statements you want to work with,
    but you start with your UNPROVEN claims, and then try to prove, based on
    the assumption they are true, that they are true.

    That is NOT how logic works.

    You have been asked, and have FAILED to provide, where any of your
    claims you start from are actually known statements in computation theory.

    Your failure just proves your logic is incorrect.

    It seems, you have likely engaged in just about every know logical
    fallicy in your reasoning.

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