• Re: Why Peter Olcott is proven correct by honest reviewers

    From Fred. Zwarts@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 11:55:29 2025
    Op 18.mei.2025 om 04:08 schreef olcott:
    On 5/17/2025 8:06 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
    On 18/05/2025 01:11, Mr Flibble wrote:
    Hi!

    In the case of pathological input, Peter's SHD only needs to report a
    correct halting result *as if* the simulation was run to completion:

    Right.  If the simulation is run to completion, that's like a UTM
    simulating the input, and equivalent to asking whether the input
    halts. This is the case for all inputs, not just "pathological" ones,
    whatever they are exactly.

    PO's DD() calls an "embedded HHH" which aborts its simulation.  If
    that DD is simulated to completion it halts,

    Deceptive wording.
    DDD simulated by HHH has no completion.


    Counterfactual and deceptive wording.
    Counterfactual, because HHH aborts and in this strange incorrect way
    completes its simulation.
    Deceptive, because 'has no completion', does not mean has no end. It has
    an end, because the simulation is aborted.
    The code to abort is specified in the input finite string given to HHH.
    So, when HHH does not complete the simulation, it fails to reach the
    reachable end.
    Stop dreaming of an infinite recursion. There is no infinite recursion
    when the code includes the abort. Instead of dreams, look at the facts.
    Come out of rebuttal mode.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Sun May 18 13:21:53 2025
    On 2025-05-18 02:08:21 +0000, olcott said:

    On 5/17/2025 8:06 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
    On 18/05/2025 01:11, Mr Flibble wrote:
    Hi!

    In the case of pathological input, Peter's SHD only needs to report a
    correct halting result *as if* the simulation was run to completion:

    Right.  If the simulation is run to completion, that's like a UTM
    simulating the input, and equivalent to asking whether the input halts.
    This is the case for all inputs, not just "pathological" ones,
    whatever they are exactly.

    PO's DD() calls an "embedded HHH" which aborts its simulation.  If that
    DD is simulated to completion it halts,

    Deceptive wording.
    DDD simulated by HHH has no completion.

    We, who are too lazy or honest or stupid or unmotivated to deceive may
    use a different wording of the same: HHH does not simulate DDD to its completion, the exsitence of which can be proven with a better simulation.

    --
    Mikko

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