Why Self-Reference in the Halting Problem Does Not Require an Infinite
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Why Self-Reference in the Halting Problem Does Not Require an Infinite
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Question:
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Wouldn't the string used as input in a self-referential halting problem
program be infinitely long, because the reference is recursive?
Answer:
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No. The input string used in the halting problem construction is *finite*,
even though the behavior of the program might involve infinite recursion
or simulation. Here's why:
1. Programs Are Encoded as Finite Strings -----------------------------------------
- In classical computability, each program (Turing machine, or similar) is encoded as a finite string.
- Even a self-referential program like D() that calls H(D) can be
represented as a finite string.
2. Self-Reference Is Symbolic, Not Expanded -------------------------------------------
- The program contains a symbolic reference to itself, not an inline copy.
- This avoids infinite expansion.
- It’s like defining: "Run H on this program’s encoding." That’s one statement.
3. Recursion Is in Execution, Not in Description ------------------------------------------------
- The recursion that causes infinite behavior happens at *runtime*.
- The *source code* or *input string* is still finite.
- Infinite recursion or simulation ≠ infinite input.
4. Quines Demonstrate Finite Self-Reference -------------------------------------------
- A quine is a finite program that prints its own source.
- It proves that a program can refer to itself without being infinite.
5. Halting Problem Uses Encodings
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- The halting decider H takes (<P>, x) where <P> is the encoded string of program P.
- <P> is always finite.
- Using <P> as input to P is allowed and computable.
Summary Table:
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| Misconception |
Correction | |---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|
| Self-referencing programs are infinite | ❌ Behavior may be recursive;
code remains finite |
| Encoding must be infinitely large | ❌ Self-reference uses finite symbolic representation |
| Halting proof requires infinite input | ❌ Requires only infinite *simulation*, not description |
Conclusion:
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Self-reference in the Halting Problem is valid because it involves
symbolic self-reference in a finite string. The paradox and contradiction
arise during **execution**, not from the **size** of the input. The
Halting Problem works with finite programs whose behavior may be infinite— but whose description is always bounded.
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