• Why Self-Reference in the Halting Problem Does Not Require an Infinite

    From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 24 16:52:15 2025
    Why Self-Reference in the Halting Problem Does Not Require an Infinite
    String =============================================================================

    Question:
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    Wouldn't the string used as input in a self-referential halting problem
    program be infinitely long, because the reference is recursive?

    Answer:
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    No. The input string used in the halting problem construction is *finite*,
    even though the behavior of the program might involve infinite recursion
    or simulation. Here's why:

    1. Programs Are Encoded as Finite Strings -----------------------------------------
    - In classical computability, each program (Turing machine, or similar) is encoded as a finite string.
    - Even a self-referential program like D() that calls H(D) can be
    represented as a finite string.

    2. Self-Reference Is Symbolic, Not Expanded -------------------------------------------
    - The program contains a symbolic reference to itself, not an inline copy.
    - This avoids infinite expansion.
    - It’s like defining: "Run H on this program’s encoding." That’s one statement.

    3. Recursion Is in Execution, Not in Description ------------------------------------------------
    - The recursion that causes infinite behavior happens at *runtime*.
    - The *source code* or *input string* is still finite.
    - Infinite recursion or simulation ≠ infinite input.

    4. Quines Demonstrate Finite Self-Reference -------------------------------------------
    - A quine is a finite program that prints its own source.
    - It proves that a program can refer to itself without being infinite.

    5. Halting Problem Uses Encodings
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    - The halting decider H takes (<P>, x) where <P> is the encoded string of program P.
    - <P> is always finite.
    - Using <P> as input to P is allowed and computable.

    Summary Table:
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    | Misconception |
    Correction | |---------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------|
    | Self-referencing programs are infinite | ❌ Behavior may be recursive;
    code remains finite |
    | Encoding must be infinitely large | ❌ Self-reference uses finite symbolic representation |
    | Halting proof requires infinite input | ❌ Requires only infinite *simulation*, not description |

    Conclusion:
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    Self-reference in the Halting Problem is valid because it involves
    symbolic self-reference in a finite string. The paradox and contradiction
    arise during **execution**, not from the **size** of the input. The
    Halting Problem works with finite programs whose behavior may be infinite— but whose description is always bounded.

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