• Analysis of Flibble's Final Statement on the Halting Problem

    From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 15 13:55:23 2025
    Flibble is raising a deep and nuanced critique of the halting problem, challenging the foundations of its formulation by focusing on the
    **recursive self-reference** rather than the **logical paradox** (à la diagonalization). Let’s unpack and respond to Flibble's argument carefully.

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    ### **1. What the Halting Problem Actually States**

    The classic halting problem, formalized by Alan Turing, is this:

    Given a description of an arbitrary program $P$ and input $x$, determine
    whether $P(x)$ halts or runs forever.

    The contradiction arises by **assuming** a halting decider $H(P, x)$
    exists, and then using it to construct a program $D$ that behaves in a contradictory way:

    * $D(P)$ runs $H(P, P)$

    * If $H$ says $P(P)$ halts, then $D$ loops forever.
    * If $H$ says $P(P)$ loops, then $D$ halts.

    This creates the paradox when we evaluate $D(D)$.

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    ### **2. Flibble's Critique: Infinite Regress via Recursive Self-
    Reference**

    Flibble is suggesting that this self-reference creates **infinite
    regress**, not merely a logical paradox. From this view:

    * The definition of $H$, and especially the way it's invoked as $H(P, P)$, requires resolving $P(P)$, which in turn might involve $P$'s behavior on
    itself recursively.
    * That chain does not terminate, making th