• Damon's claim about lying to AI

    From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 27 22:45:50 2025
    Damon seems to be under the illusion that you can lie to AIs:

    Me: The colour red is the same as the colour yellow.

    ChatGPT:

    From a physical and perceptual standpoint, the statement "The colour red
    is the same as the colour yellow" is incorrect.

    Here's why:

    * **Physically (in terms of light wavelengths):**

    * Red light has a wavelength of about **620–750 nm**.
    * Yellow light has a wavelength of about **570–590 nm**.
    These are distinctly different parts of the visible spectrum.

    * **Perceptually (how we see them):**

    * Red is perceived as a warm, bold hue often associated with intensity
    or warning.
    * Yellow is also warm, but is perceived as brighter and is often
    associated with cheerfulness or caution.
    The human eye distinguishes them clearly.

    If you're making this statement metaphorically or in the context of a colorblind individual's perception, or for symbolic reasons (e.g. in art
    or language), feel free to clarify and I can explore that angle too.

    /Flibble

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Fri Jun 27 21:11:19 2025
    On 6/27/25 6:45 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    Damon seems to be under the illusion that you can lie to AIs:

    Of course you can.


    Me: The colour red is the same as the colour yellow.

    ChatGPT:

    From a physical and perceptual standpoint, the statement "The colour red
    is the same as the colour yellow" is incorrect.

    Thus showning that SOME things it knows better about.

    WHen Olcott talks about the behavior of his HHH, that isn't something
    that the LLM has learned a lot about from other sources, and thus it
    can't detect the error.


    Here's why:

    * **Physically (in terms of light wavelengths):**

    * Red light has a wavelength of about **620–750 nm**.
    * Yellow light has a wavelength of about **570–590 nm**.
    These are distinctly different parts of the visible spectrum.

    * **Perceptually (how we see them):**

    * Red is perceived as a warm, bold hue often associated with intensity
    or warning.
    * Yellow is also warm, but is perceived as brighter and is often associated with cheerfulness or caution.
    The human eye distinguishes them clearly.

    If you're making this statement metaphorically or in the context of a colorblind individual's perception, or for symbolic reasons (e.g. in art
    or language), feel free to clarify and I can explore that angle too.

    /Flibble


    Maybe you should learn a bit about the limitations of things like ChatGPT.

    Here is a good video about them:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ffs9s3DTc

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