• Re: Why olcott likes to prove himself an idiot and a liar?

    From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to wij on Sun Jul 27 13:46:19 2025
    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:36:13 +0800, wij wrote:

    It is you who proved yourself an idiot, worse, a liar, EVERYDAY.

    olcott's claim form H(D)=0 is correct, H(D)=1 is correct, both are
    correct...
    'I' was talking about HH,HH2,HHH, DD,DDD,...not H(D)!! ... numerous.
    And recently, 'I' was not refuting HP. HP is correct. 'I' was refuting
    Linz's proof, and HHH(DD)=1 is correct!! (Undecidable and HHH(DD)=1 are
    both correct!)

    A couple days before, you have shown again you don't understand basic
    logic (AND,IF,...)
    You cannot construct a TM that compute the length of its input.
    Your understanding of C/Assembly is shown very low, I never saw anyone
    is lower.
    No one in internet I ever saw is lower than yours. Keep blind yourself, 'genius'.

    Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem,
    refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the
    character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
    argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids
    genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant,
    but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or
    background. The most common form of this fallacy is "A" makes a claim of "fact", to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal trait, quality or
    physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going off-topic, and hence
    "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong – without ever addressing
    the point of the debate.

    Other uses of the term ad hominem are more traditional, referring to
    arguments tailored to fit a particular audience, and may be encountered in specialized philosophical usage. These typically refer to the dialectical strategy of using the target's own beliefs and arguments against them,
    while not agreeing with the validity of those beliefs and arguments. Ad
    hominem arguments were first studied in ancient Greece; John Locke revived
    the examination of ad hominem arguments in the 17th century.

    A common misconception is that an ad hominem attack is synonymous with an insult. This is not true, although some ad hominem arguments may be
    considered insulting by the recipient.

    History

    Aristotle (384–322 BC) is credited with raising the distinction between personal and logical arguments.[1]
    The various types of ad hominem arguments have been known in the West
    since at least the ancient Greeks. Aristotle, in his work Sophistical Refutations, detailed the fallaciousness of putting the questioner but not
    the argument under scrutiny.[2] His description was somewhat different
    from the modern understanding, referring to a class of sophistry that
    applies an ambiguously worded question about people to a specific person.
    The proper refutation, he wrote, is not to debate the attributes of the
    person (solutio ad hominem) but to address the original ambiguity.[3] Many examples of ancient non-fallacious ad hominem arguments are preserved in
    the works of the Pyrrhonist philosopher Sextus Empiricus. In these
    arguments, the concepts and assumptions of the opponents are used as part
    of a dialectical strategy against them to demonstrate the unsoundness of
    their own arguments and assumptions. In this way, the arguments are to the person (ad hominem), but without attacking the properties of the
    individuals making the arguments.[4] This kind of argument is also known
    as "argument from commitment".

    Italian Galileo Galilei and British philosopher John Locke also examined
    the argument from commitment, a form of the ad hominem argument, meaning examining an argument on the basis of whether it stands true to the
    principles of the person carrying the argument. In the mid-19th century,
    the modern understanding of the term ad hominem started to take shape,
    with the broad definition given by English logician Richard Whately.
    According to Whately, ad hominem arguments were "addressed to the peculiar circumstances, character, avowed opinions, or past conduct of the individual".[5]

    Over time, the term acquired a different meaning; by the beginning of the
    20th century, it was linked to a logical fallacy, in which a debater,
    instead of disproving an argument, attacked their opponent. This approach
    was also popularized in philosophical textbooks of the mid-20th century,
    and it was challenged by Australian philosopher Charles Leonard Hamblin in
    the second half of the 20th century. In a detailed work, he suggested that
    the inclusion of a statement against a person in an argument does not necessarily make it a fallacious argument since that particular phrase is
    not a premise that leads to a conclusion. While Hamblin's criticism was
    not widely accepted, Canadian philosopher Douglas N. Walton examined the fallaciousness of the ad hominem argument further.[6] Except in
    specialized philosophical discourse, contemporary use of the term ad
    hominem describes a direct attack on the character and ethos of a person,
    in an attempt to refute their argument.[7]

    Terminology
    The Latin phrase argumentum ad hominem stands for 'argument against the person'.[8] In this context, ad means 'against', but could also mean 'to'
    or 'towards'.[9]

    The terms ad mulierem and ad feminam have been used specifically when the person receiving the criticism is female[10] but the term hominem
    (accusative of homo) was gender-neutral in Latin.[11]

    Types of ad hominem arguments
    See also: List of fallacies
    Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is categorized among informal fallacies,
    more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.[12]

    Ad hominem fallacies can be separated into various types, such as tu
    quoque, circumstantial ad hominem, guilt by association, and abusive ad hominem. All of them are similar to the general scheme of ad hominem
    argument, that is instead of dealing with the essence of someone's
    argument or trying to refute it, the interlocutor is attacking the
    character of the proponent of the argument and concluding that it is a sufficient reason to drop the initial argument.[13]

    Tu quoque
    Main article: Tu quoque
    Ad hominem tu quoque (literally 'you also') is a response to an ad hominem argument that itself goes ad hominem.[14]

    Tu quoque /[tuː koʊ.kweɪ]/ appears as:

    A makes a claim a.
    B attacks the character of A by claiming they hold negative property x.
    A defends themself by attacking B, saying they also hold the same property x.[15]
    An example given by professor George Wrisley to illustrate the above is:

    A businessman and a politician are giving a lecture at a university about
    how good his company is and how nicely the system works. A student asks
    him "Is it true that you and your company are selling weapons to third
    world rulers who use those arms against their own people?" and the
    businessman replies "Is it true that your university gets funding by the
    same company that you are claiming is selling guns to those countries? You
    are not a white dove either". The student's ad hominem accusation is not fallacious, as it is relevant to the narrative the businessman is trying
    to project. On the other hand, the businessman's attack on the student
    (that is, the student being inconsistent) is irrelevant to the opening narrative. So the businessman's tu quoque response is fallacious.[16]

    Canadian philosopher Christopher Tindale approaches somewhat different the
    tu quoque fallacy. According to Tindale, a tu quoque fallacy appears when
    a response to an argument is made on the history of the arguer. This
    argument is also invalid because it does not disprove the premise; if the premise is true, then source A may be a hypocrite or even changed their
    mind, but this does not make the statement less credible from a logical perspective. A common example, given by Tindale, is when a doctor advises
    a patient to lose weight, but the patient argues that there is no need for
    him to go on a diet because the doctor is also overweight.[17]

    Circumstantial
    Main article: Bulverism
    Circumstantial ad hominem' points out that someone is in circumstances
    (for instance, their job, wealth, property, or relations) such that they
    are disposed to take a particular position. It constitutes an attack on
    the bias of a source. As with other types of the argument, the
    circumstantial ad hominem could be fallacious or not. It could be
    fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make
    the argument invalid; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument
    that a claim is incorrect due to its source). But it also may be a sound argument, if the premises are correct and the bias is relevant to the argument.[18]

    A simple example is: a father may tell his daughter not to start smoking because she will damage her health, and she may point out that he is or
    was a smoker. This does not alter the fact that smoking might cause
    various diseases. Her father's inconsistency is not a proper reason to
    reject his claim.[19]

    Douglas N. Walton, philosopher and pundit on informal fallacies, argues
    that a circumstantial ad hominem argument can be non-fallacious. This
    could be the case when someone (A) attacks the personality of another
    person (B), making an argument (a) while the personality of B is relevant
    to argument a, i.e. B talks as an authority figure. To illustrate this reasoning, Walton gives the example of a witness at a trial: if he had
    been caught lying and cheating in his own life, should the jury take his
    word for granted? No, according to Walton.[20]

    Guilt by association
    Main article: Association fallacy
    Guilt by association, that is accusing an arguer because of his alleged connection with a discredited person or group, can sometimes also be a
    type of ad hominem fallacy when the argument attacks a source because of
    the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[21]

    This form of the argument is as follows:[21]

    Individual S makes claim C.
    Individual S is also associated with Group G, who has an unfavorable
    reputation
    Therefore, individual S and his views are questionable.
    Academic Leigh Kolb gives as an example that the 2008 US vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin attacked Barack Obama for having worked with Bill
    Ayers, who had been a leader in the Weather Underground terrorist group in
    the 1960s. Despite Obama denouncing every act of terrorism, his opponents
    still associated him with terrorism.[22]

    Guilt by association is frequently found in social and political debates.
    It also appears after major events (such as scandals and terrorism) linked
    to a specific group. Kolb cites the peak of attacks against Muslims in the
    US after the September 11 attacks.[22]

    Abusive ad hominem
    See also: Name calling and Verbal abuse
    Abusive ad hominem argument (or direct ad hominem) is associated with an
    attack to the character of the person carrying an argument. This kind of argument, besides usually being fallacious, is also counterproductive, as
    a proper dialogue is hard to achieve after such an attack.[23][24][25]

    Key issues in examining an argument to determine whether it is an ad
    hominem fallacy or not are whether the accusation against the person
    stands true or not, and whether the accusation is relevant to the
    argument. An example is a dialogue at the court, where the attorney cross- examines an eyewitness, bringing to light the fact that the witness was convicted in the past for lying. If the attorney's conclusion is that the witness is lying, that would be wrong. But if his argument would be that
    the witness should not be trusted, that would not be a fallacy.[26]

    Argument from commitment
    An ad hominem argument from commitment is a type of valid argument that employs, as a dialectical strategy, the exclusive use of the beliefs, convictions, and assumptions of those holding the position being argued against, i.e., arguments constructed on the basis of what other people
    hold to be true. This usage is generally only encountered in specialist philosophical usage or in pre-20th century usages.[27] This type of
    argument is also known as the ex concessis argument (Latin for 'from what
    has been conceded already').[28]

    Use in debates
    Ad hominem fallacies are considered to be uncivil and do not help creating
    a constructive atmosphere for dialogue to flourish.[29] An ad hominem
    attack is an attack on the character of the target who tends to feel the necessity to defend himself or herself from the accusation of being hypocritical. Walton has noted that it is so powerful of an argument that
    it is employed in many political debates. Since it is associated with negativity and dirty tricks, it has gained a bad fame, of being always fallacious.[30]

    Author Eithan Orkibi, having studied Israeli politics prior to elections, described two other forms of ad hominem attacks that are common during
    election periods. They both depend on the collective memory shared by both proponents and the audience. The first is the "precedent ad hominem",
    according to which the previous history of someone means that they do not
    fit for the office. It goes like this: "My opponent was (allegedly) wrong
    in the past, therefore he is wrong now". The second one is a behavioral ad hominem: "my opponent was not decent in his arguments in the past, so he
    is not now either". These kinds of attacks are based on the inability of
    the audience to have a clear view of the amount of false statements by
    both parts of the debate.[31]

    Criticism as a fallacy
    Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and
    that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue,[32] as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

    The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning
    (discussing facts about the speaker or author relative to the value of his statements) is essential to understanding certain moral issues due to the connection between individual persons and morality (or moral claims), and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning (involving
    facts beyond dispute or clearly established) of philosophical naturalism.
    [33]

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Sun Jul 27 17:44:37 2025
    On 7/27/25 9:46 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:36:13 +0800, wij wrote:

    It is you who proved yourself an idiot, worse, a liar, EVERYDAY.

    olcott's claim form H(D)=0 is correct, H(D)=1 is correct, both are
    correct...
    'I' was talking about HH,HH2,HHH, DD,DDD,...not H(D)!! ... numerous.
    And recently, 'I' was not refuting HP. HP is correct. 'I' was refuting
    Linz's proof, and HHH(DD)=1 is correct!! (Undecidable and HHH(DD)=1 are
    both correct!)

    A couple days before, you have shown again you don't understand basic
    logic (AND,IF,...)
    You cannot construct a TM that compute the length of its input.
    Your understanding of C/Assembly is shown very low, I never saw anyone
    is lower.
    No one in internet I ever saw is lower than yours. Keep blind yourself,
    'genius'.

    So, any arguement that DOESN't give as the reason an arguement is false
    being just based on the nature of the person is NOT an ad hominem attack.


    Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the
    character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
    argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant,
    but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or
    background. The most common form of this fallacy is "A" makes a claim of "fact", to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going off-topic, and hence
    "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong – without ever addressing
    the point of the debate.

    Other uses of the term ad hominem are more traditional, referring to arguments tailored to fit a particular audience, and may be encountered in specialized philosophical usage. These typically refer to the dialectical strategy of using the target's own beliefs and arguments against them,
    while not agreeing with the validity of those beliefs and arguments. Ad hominem arguments were first studied in ancient Greece; John Locke revived the examination of ad hominem arguments in the 17th century.

    A common misconception is that an ad hominem attack is synonymous with an insult. This is not true, although some ad hominem arguments may be considered insulting by the recipient.

    So, you agree that an insult, like calling someone stupid or a liar, is
    not an ad hominem attack, unless that was given as a reason the argument
    can't be correct.


    History

    Aristotle (384–322 BC) is credited with raising the distinction between personal and logical arguments.[1]
    The various types of ad hominem arguments have been known in the West
    since at least the ancient Greeks. Aristotle, in his work Sophistical Refutations, detailed the fallaciousness of putting the questioner but not the argument under scrutiny.[2] His description was somewhat different
    from the modern understanding, referring to a class of sophistry that
    applies an ambiguously worded question about people to a specific person.
    The proper refutation, he wrote, is not to debate the attributes of the person (solutio ad hominem) but to address the original ambiguity.[3] Many examples of ancient non-fallacious ad hominem arguments are preserved in
    the works of the Pyrrhonist philosopher Sextus Empiricus. In these
    arguments, the concepts and assumptions of the opponents are used as part
    of a dialectical strategy against them to demonstrate the unsoundness of their own arguments and assumptions. In this way, the arguments are to the person (ad hominem), but without attacking the properties of the
    individuals making the arguments.[4] This kind of argument is also known
    as "argument from commitment".

    Italian Galileo Galilei and British philosopher John Locke also examined
    the argument from commitment, a form of the ad hominem argument, meaning examining an argument on the basis of whether it stands true to the principles of the person carrying the argument. In the mid-19th century,
    the modern understanding of the term ad hominem started to take shape,
    with the broad definition given by English logician Richard Whately. According to Whately, ad hominem arguments were "addressed to the peculiar circumstances, character, avowed opinions, or past conduct of the individual".[5]

    Over time, the term acquired a different meaning; by the beginning of the 20th century, it was linked to a logical fallacy, in which a debater,
    instead of disproving an argument, attacked their opponent. This approach
    was also popularized in philosophical textbooks of the mid-20th century,
    and it was challenged by Australian philosopher Charles Leonard Hamblin in the second half of the 20th century. In a detailed work, he suggested that the inclusion of a statement against a person in an argument does not necessarily make it a fallacious argument since that particular phrase is
    not a premise that leads to a conclusion. While Hamblin's criticism was
    not widely accepted, Canadian philosopher Douglas N. Walton examined the fallaciousness of the ad hominem argument further.[6] Except in
    specialized philosophical discourse, contemporary use of the term ad
    hominem describes a direct attack on the character and ethos of a person,
    in an attempt to refute their argument.[7]

    Terminology
    The Latin phrase argumentum ad hominem stands for 'argument against the person'.[8] In this context, ad means 'against', but could also mean 'to'
    or 'towards'.[9]

    The terms ad mulierem and ad feminam have been used specifically when the person receiving the criticism is female[10] but the term hominem
    (accusative of homo) was gender-neutral in Latin.[11]

    Types of ad hominem arguments
    See also: List of fallacies
    Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is categorized among informal fallacies,
    more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance.[12]

    Ad hominem fallacies can be separated into various types, such as tu
    quoque, circumstantial ad hominem, guilt by association, and abusive ad hominem. All of them are similar to the general scheme of ad hominem argument, that is instead of dealing with the essence of someone's
    argument or trying to refute it, the interlocutor is attacking the
    character of the proponent of the argument and concluding that it is a sufficient reason to drop the initial argument.[13]

    Tu quoque
    Main article: Tu quoque
    Ad hominem tu quoque (literally 'you also') is a response to an ad hominem argument that itself goes ad hominem.[14]

    Tu quoque /[tuː koʊ.kweɪ]/ appears as:

    A makes a claim a.
    B attacks the character of A by claiming they hold negative property x.
    A defends themself by attacking B, saying they also hold the same property x.[15]
    An example given by professor George Wrisley to illustrate the above is:

    A businessman and a politician are giving a lecture at a university about
    how good his company is and how nicely the system works. A student asks
    him "Is it true that you and your company are selling weapons to third
    world rulers who use those arms against their own people?" and the businessman replies "Is it true that your university gets funding by the
    same company that you are claiming is selling guns to those countries? You are not a white dove either". The student's ad hominem accusation is not fallacious, as it is relevant to the narrative the businessman is trying
    to project. On the other hand, the businessman's attack on the student
    (that is, the student being inconsistent) is irrelevant to the opening narrative. So the businessman's tu quoque response is fallacious.[16]

    Canadian philosopher Christopher Tindale approaches somewhat different the
    tu quoque fallacy. According to Tindale, a tu quoque fallacy appears when
    a response to an argument is made on the history of the arguer. This
    argument is also invalid because it does not disprove the premise; if the premise is true, then source A may be a hypocrite or even changed their
    mind, but this does not make the statement less credible from a logical perspective. A common example, given by Tindale, is when a doctor advises
    a patient to lose weight, but the patient argues that there is no need for him to go on a diet because the doctor is also overweight.[17]

    Circumstantial
    Main article: Bulverism
    Circumstantial ad hominem' points out that someone is in circumstances
    (for instance, their job, wealth, property, or relations) such that they
    are disposed to take a particular position. It constitutes an attack on
    the bias of a source. As with other types of the argument, the
    circumstantial ad hominem could be fallacious or not. It could be
    fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make
    the argument invalid; this overlaps with the genetic fallacy (an argument that a claim is incorrect due to its source). But it also may be a sound argument, if the premises are correct and the bias is relevant to the argument.[18]

    A simple example is: a father may tell his daughter not to start smoking because she will damage her health, and she may point out that he is or
    was a smoker. This does not alter the fact that smoking might cause
    various diseases. Her father's inconsistency is not a proper reason to
    reject his claim.[19]

    Douglas N. Walton, philosopher and pundit on informal fallacies, argues
    that a circumstantial ad hominem argument can be non-fallacious. This
    could be the case when someone (A) attacks the personality of another
    person (B), making an argument (a) while the personality of B is relevant
    to argument a, i.e. B talks as an authority figure. To illustrate this reasoning, Walton gives the example of a witness at a trial: if he had
    been caught lying and cheating in his own life, should the jury take his
    word for granted? No, according to Walton.[20]

    Guilt by association
    Main article: Association fallacy
    Guilt by association, that is accusing an arguer because of his alleged connection with a discredited person or group, can sometimes also be a
    type of ad hominem fallacy when the argument attacks a source because of
    the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[21]

    This form of the argument is as follows:[21]

    Individual S makes claim C.
    Individual S is also associated with Group G, who has an unfavorable reputation
    Therefore, individual S and his views are questionable.
    Academic Leigh Kolb gives as an example that the 2008 US vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin attacked Barack Obama for having worked with Bill Ayers, who had been a leader in the Weather Underground terrorist group in the 1960s. Despite Obama denouncing every act of terrorism, his opponents still associated him with terrorism.[22]

    Guilt by association is frequently found in social and political debates.
    It also appears after major events (such as scandals and terrorism) linked
    to a specific group. Kolb cites the peak of attacks against Muslims in the
    US after the September 11 attacks.[22]

    Abusive ad hominem
    See also: Name calling and Verbal abuse
    Abusive ad hominem argument (or direct ad hominem) is associated with an attack to the character of the person carrying an argument. This kind of argument, besides usually being fallacious, is also counterproductive, as
    a proper dialogue is hard to achieve after such an attack.[23][24][25]

    Key issues in examining an argument to determine whether it is an ad
    hominem fallacy or not are whether the accusation against the person
    stands true or not, and whether the accusation is relevant to the
    argument. An example is a dialogue at the court, where the attorney cross- examines an eyewitness, bringing to light the fact that the witness was convicted in the past for lying. If the attorney's conclusion is that the witness is lying, that would be wrong. But if his argument would be that
    the witness should not be trusted, that would not be a fallacy.[26]

    Argument from commitment
    An ad hominem argument from commitment is a type of valid argument that employs, as a dialectical strategy, the exclusive use of the beliefs, convictions, and assumptions of those holding the position being argued against, i.e., arguments constructed on the basis of what other people
    hold to be true. This usage is generally only encountered in specialist philosophical usage or in pre-20th century usages.[27] This type of
    argument is also known as the ex concessis argument (Latin for 'from what
    has been conceded already').[28]

    Use in debates
    Ad hominem fallacies are considered to be uncivil and do not help creating
    a constructive atmosphere for dialogue to flourish.[29] An ad hominem
    attack is an attack on the character of the target who tends to feel the necessity to defend himself or herself from the accusation of being hypocritical. Walton has noted that it is so powerful of an argument that
    it is employed in many political debates. Since it is associated with negativity and dirty tricks, it has gained a bad fame, of being always fallacious.[30]

    Author Eithan Orkibi, having studied Israeli politics prior to elections, described two other forms of ad hominem attacks that are common during election periods. They both depend on the collective memory shared by both proponents and the audience. The first is the "precedent ad hominem", according to which the previous history of someone means that they do not
    fit for the office. It goes like this: "My opponent was (allegedly) wrong
    in the past, therefore he is wrong now". The second one is a behavioral ad hominem: "my opponent was not decent in his arguments in the past, so he
    is not now either". These kinds of attacks are based on the inability of
    the audience to have a clear view of the amount of false statements by
    both parts of the debate.[31]

    Criticism as a fallacy
    Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue,[32] as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.

    The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning (discussing facts about the speaker or author relative to the value of his statements) is essential to understanding certain moral issues due to the connection between individual persons and morality (or moral claims), and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning (involving facts beyond dispute or clearly established) of philosophical naturalism. [33]

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to wij on Mon Jul 28 11:04:54 2025
    On 2025-07-27 03:36:13 +0000, wij said:

    It is you who proved yourself an idiot, worse, a liar, EVERYDAY.

    olcott's claim form H(D)=0 is correct, H(D)=1 is correct, both are correct... 'I' was talking about HH,HH2,HHH, DD,DDD,...not H(D)!! ... numerous.
    And recently, 'I' was not refuting HP. HP is correct. 'I' was refuting Linz's proof, and HHH(DD)=1 is correct!! (Undecidable and HHH(DD)=1 are both correct!)

    A couple days before, you have shown again you don't understand basic
    logic (AND,IF,...)
    You cannot construct a TM that compute the length of its input.
    Your understanding of C/Assembly is shown very low, I never saw anyone
    is lower.
    No one in internet I ever saw is lower than yours. Keep blind yourself, 'genius'.

    He quite obviously wants to prove something, and what would be easier
    to prove?

    I think it is not wrong to show one's true nature.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to Richard Damon on Mon Jul 28 18:03:55 2025
    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 17:44:37 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 7/27/25 9:46 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:36:13 +0800, wij wrote:

    It is you who proved yourself an idiot, worse, a liar, EVERYDAY.

    olcott's claim form H(D)=0 is correct, H(D)=1 is correct, both are
    correct...
    'I' was talking about HH,HH2,HHH, DD,DDD,...not H(D)!! ... numerous.
    And recently, 'I' was not refuting HP. HP is correct. 'I' was refuting
    Linz's proof, and HHH(DD)=1 is correct!! (Undecidable and HHH(DD)=1
    are both correct!)

    A couple days before, you have shown again you don't understand basic
    logic (AND,IF,...)
    You cannot construct a TM that compute the length of its input.
    Your understanding of C/Assembly is shown very low, I never saw anyone
    is lower.
    No one in internet I ever saw is lower than yours. Keep blind
    yourself,
    'genius'.

    So, any arguement that DOESN't give as the reason an arguement is false
    being just based on the nature of the person is NOT an ad hominem
    attack.

    Correct, so I wonder why you do it.



    Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad
    hominem, refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks
    the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
    argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids
    genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally
    irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's
    character or background. The most common form of this fallacy is "A"
    makes a claim of "fact", to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal
    trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going
    off-topic, and hence "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong –
    without ever addressing the point of the debate.

    Other uses of the term ad hominem are more traditional, referring to
    arguments tailored to fit a particular audience, and may be encountered
    in specialized philosophical usage. These typically refer to the
    dialectical strategy of using the target's own beliefs and arguments
    against them, while not agreeing with the validity of those beliefs and
    arguments. Ad hominem arguments were first studied in ancient Greece;
    John Locke revived the examination of ad hominem arguments in the 17th
    century.

    A common misconception is that an ad hominem attack is synonymous with
    an insult. This is not true, although some ad hominem arguments may be
    considered insulting by the recipient.

    So, you agree that an insult, like calling someone stupid or a liar, is
    not an ad hominem attack, unless that was given as a reason the argument can't be correct.

    Of course I agree however you have given that as a reason.

    /Flibble

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Mon Jul 28 19:40:23 2025
    On 7/28/25 2:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 17:44:37 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 7/27/25 9:46 AM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:36:13 +0800, wij wrote:

    It is you who proved yourself an idiot, worse, a liar, EVERYDAY.

    olcott's claim form H(D)=0 is correct, H(D)=1 is correct, both are
    correct...
    'I' was talking about HH,HH2,HHH, DD,DDD,...not H(D)!! ... numerous.
    And recently, 'I' was not refuting HP. HP is correct. 'I' was refuting >>>> Linz's proof, and HHH(DD)=1 is correct!! (Undecidable and HHH(DD)=1
    are both correct!)

    A couple days before, you have shown again you don't understand basic
    logic (AND,IF,...)
    You cannot construct a TM that compute the length of its input.
    Your understanding of C/Assembly is shown very low, I never saw anyone >>>> is lower.
    No one in internet I ever saw is lower than yours. Keep blind
    yourself,
    'genius'.

    So, any arguement that DOESN't give as the reason an arguement is false
    being just based on the nature of the person is NOT an ad hominem
    attack.

    Correct, so I wonder why you do it.

    But I always give a reasoning, so your statement is just a lie.

    All you are doing is proving that you are just a lying troll.




    Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad
    hominem, refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks
    the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
    argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids
    genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally
    irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's
    character or background. The most common form of this fallacy is "A"
    makes a claim of "fact", to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal
    trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going
    off-topic, and hence "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong –
    without ever addressing the point of the debate.

    Other uses of the term ad hominem are more traditional, referring to
    arguments tailored to fit a particular audience, and may be encountered
    in specialized philosophical usage. These typically refer to the
    dialectical strategy of using the target's own beliefs and arguments
    against them, while not agreeing with the validity of those beliefs and
    arguments. Ad hominem arguments were first studied in ancient Greece;
    John Locke revived the examination of ad hominem arguments in the 17th
    century.

    A common misconception is that an ad hominem attack is synonymous with
    an insult. This is not true, although some ad hominem arguments may be
    considered insulting by the recipient.

    So, you agree that an insult, like calling someone stupid or a liar, is
    not an ad hominem attack, unless that was given as a reason the argument
    can't be correct.

    Of course I agree however you have given that as a reason.

    Nope. I give a reasom based on the pure logic if the system.

    His stupidity might be the cause of his faulty logic, but the logic can
    be shown faulty without needing to show his stupidity, and in fact the
    faulty logic is the proof of the stupidity.

    I guess you just don't understand how that works, as your AI can't
    explain it to you.


    /Flibble

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