• Pink (Reprise)

    From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to Richard Damon on Mon Sep 1 17:31:56 2025
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting
    decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as in >>>>>> input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed to do >>>>>> the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject it
    based on logical misunderstandings, especially his conflation of
    execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a
    quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an observational
    phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible
    spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and don’t >>>> count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as were
    rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which is what
    they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what "physical
    color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as
    when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very specific
    colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article is
    talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Mon Sep 1 14:03:02 2025
    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting
    decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as in >>>>>>> input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed to do >>>>>>> the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject it >>>>>>> based on logical misunderstandings, especially his conflation of >>>>>>> execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a
    quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an observational >>>>>> phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible
    spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and don’t >>>>> count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as were
    rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which is what
    they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what "physical
    color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as
    when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very specific >>>> colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article is
    talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

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  • From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to Richard Damon on Mon Sep 1 18:03:58 2025
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:03:02 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting
    decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as >>>>>>>> in input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed >>>>>>>> to do the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject it >>>>>>>> based on logical misunderstandings, especially his conflation of >>>>>>>> execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a
    quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an observational >>>>>>> phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible
    spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and
    don’t count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as were
    rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which is
    what they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what "physical
    color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as
    when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that definition. >>>>>
    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very
    specific colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article
    is talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Mon Sep 1 14:12:29 2025
    On 9/1/25 2:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:03:02 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting >>>>>>>>> decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as >>>>>>>>> in input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed >>>>>>>>> to do the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject it >>>>>>>>> based on logical misunderstandings, especially his conflation of >>>>>>>>> execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a >>>>>>>> quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an observational >>>>>>>> phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible
    spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and
    don’t count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as were >>>>>> rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which is
    what they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what "physical >>>>>> color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as >>>>>> when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that definition. >>>>>>
    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very
    specific colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article >>>>>> is talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you >>>>> lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Which is just Peter Olcotting, as your soucce specifically limited its
    usage to a non-standard usage when it did so.

    You are just showing you don't understand how words (or truth) works.

    Thus, you are just a second coming of Peter Olcott.

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  • From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to olcott on Mon Sep 1 18:17:53 2025
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:16:09 -0500, olcott wrote:

    On 9/1/2025 11:25 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
    On 2025-09-01, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 8/31/2025 12:50 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
    On 2025-08-31, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    When the HP requires a decider to report on its caller

    ... is never!


    Thus M.H ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ is not required to report on M ⟨M⟩
    Instead it must report on the fact that *its input*
    ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ correctly simulated by M.H remains stuck in recursive
    simulation.

    The reason its input remains stuck is that the input contains an exact
    copy of the decider, which it has applied to itself. Either the decider
    is not terminating, or else it has returned true, and the diagonal test
    case embarked on the opposite behavior of not terminating.

    The decider applied to the input, and the one applied by the input to
    itself, are indistinguishable. That's the important thing about the
    diagonal test case; it is a non-negotiable ingredient in proofs of the
    Halting Theorem.

    The "outer" decider cannot report on the fact that the input is stuck
    in a recursive simuation, unless the input's "inner" copy of the same
    halt decider algorithm reports the same exact thing.

    Because the diagonal test case ensures that whatever the "inner"
    decider reports is wrong, the "outer" decider is wrong in exacty the
    same way.

    HHH(DD) denotes exactly the same thing in every context in which it
    appears. Its use within the DD test case is not distinguished from any
    other in any way whatsoever.


    Are you then saying that you cannot see that M.H ⟨M⟩ ⟨M⟩ remains
    stuck
    in recursive simulation unless and until it aborts this simulation?

    You are wrong in the same way that thinking pink is a physical colour is.

    /Flibble

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  • From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to Richard Damon on Mon Sep 1 18:15:28 2025
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:12:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 2:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:03:02 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting >>>>>>>>>> decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as >>>>>>>>>> in input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed >>>>>>>>>> to do the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject >>>>>>>>>> it based on logical misunderstandings, especially his
    conflation of execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a >>>>>>>>> quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an
    observational phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is >>>>>>>>> one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible
    spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and >>>>>>>> don’t count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as
    were rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which >>>>>>> is what they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what
    "physical color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as >>>>>>> when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that
    definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very
    specific colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article >>>>>>> is talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am
    you lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Which is just Peter Olcotting, as your soucce specifically limited its
    usage to a non-standard usage when it did so.

    You are just showing you don't understand how words (or truth) works.

    Thus, you are just a second coming of Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Tue Sep 2 07:22:59 2025
    On 9/1/25 2:15 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:12:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 2:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:03:02 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting >>>>>>>>>>> decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as >>>>>>>>>>> in input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed >>>>>>>>>>> to do the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject >>>>>>>>>>> it based on logical misunderstandings, especially his
    conflation of execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a >>>>>>>>>> quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an
    observational phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is >>>>>>>>>> one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible >>>>>>>>> spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and >>>>>>>>> don’t count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as >>>>>>>> were rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which >>>>>>>> is what they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what
    "physical color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as >>>>>>>> when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that
    definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very
    specific colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article >>>>>>>> is talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am >>>>>>> you lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you >>>>> lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Which is just Peter Olcotting, as your soucce specifically limited its
    usage to a non-standard usage when it did so.

    You are just showing you don't understand how words (or truth) works.

    Thus, you are just a second coming of Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Actually, they don't, they say that OTHERS use it that way, in a
    specialized condition, and they disagree with it, as they point out with
    their conclusionL


    If you include in the definition of color, however, all of the ways in
    which human eyes process light and the lack of it, then black and white,
    as well as pink, earn their places in the crayon box.

    Since that *IS* the normal definition of color, all you are doing is
    show=ing that you are disciple of Peter Olcott, and share is view that
    you can just redefine words to say what you want.

    This is shown also in some of the other articles on that page, which use
    the later version of the definition of color.

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  • From Mr Flibble@21:1/5 to Richard Damon on Tue Sep 2 17:11:14 2025
    On Tue, 02 Sep 2025 07:22:59 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 2:15 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:12:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 2:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:03:02 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting >>>>>>>>>>>> decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller >>>>>>>>>>>> as in input, reports to its caller because its caller will >>>>>>>>>>>> proceed to do the exact opposite causing a logical
    contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject >>>>>>>>>>>> it based on logical misunderstandings, especially his
    conflation of execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a >>>>>>>>>>> quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an
    observational phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is >>>>>>>>>>> one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic. >>>>>>>>>>
    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible >>>>>>>>>> spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and >>>>>>>>>> don’t count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as >>>>>>>>> were rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm
    (which is what they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what
    "physical color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" >>>>>>>>> as when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that
    definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very >>>>>>>>> specific colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that
    article is talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am >>>>>>>> you lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am
    you lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Which is just Peter Olcotting, as your soucce specifically limited its
    usage to a non-standard usage when it did so.

    You are just showing you don't understand how words (or truth) works.

    Thus, you are just a second coming of Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Actually, they don't, they say that OTHERS use it that way, in a
    specialized condition, and they disagree with it, as they point out with their conclusionL


    If you include in the definition of color, however, all of the ways in
    which human eyes process light and the lack of it, then black and white,
    as well as pink, earn their places in the crayon box.

    Since that *IS* the normal definition of color, all you are doing is
    show=ing that you are disciple of Peter Olcott, and share is view that
    you can just redefine words to say what you want.

    This is shown also in some of the other articles on that page, which use
    the later version of the definition of color.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



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  • From Kaz Kylheku@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Tue Sep 2 17:23:44 2025
    On 2025-09-01, Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting
    decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller as in >>>>>>> input, reports to its caller because its caller will proceed to do >>>>>>> the exact opposite causing a logical contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject it >>>>>>> based on logical misunderstandings, especially his conflation of >>>>>>> execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a
    quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an observational >>>>>> phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic.

    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible
    spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and don’t >>>>> count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as were
    rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm (which is what
    they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what "physical
    color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" as
    when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very specific >>>> colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that article is
    talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    If "physical color" means the same thing as "monochromatic light",
    then pink isn't a "physical color".

    If "physical color" can include '"polychromatic" light', then
    pink can be a physical color.

    It's simply a word semantics argument: insisting on your definition,
    or that from some other author.

    Regardless, the range of colors that people call pink have a physical
    basis; there are external stimuli that produce or reflect light that
    people call pink, and the components of that light (physical parameters)
    can be written down, such that if light is reproduced with the same
    parameters, people will also call that pink.

    It would make a lot of sense to use the word "physical" for all
    phenomena that can have a physical basis and can be described using
    measurable physical parameters.

    An example of a color that is not physical is something only imagined by
    an individual who has external color vision. External color is mapped to
    a concept in the individual's brain. We can conjecture that there could
    be an extended range of that concept which doesn not map backwards to
    any phenomenon involving actual light. That would be a color that is not physical (cannot be reproduced by any mixture of light frequencies which
    can be presented to the same individual who is imagining that color,
    such that they will perceive the imagined color).

    I think that a good definition of "physical" would be exactly this;
    a counterpoint to "imaginary".

    In any case, the "monochromatic" terminology for single-wavelength
    light is a nice terminology, it behooves us to use that rather than
    "physical color".

    You wouldn't say that a gunshot doesn't produce a physical sound because
    it has no identifiable frequency.

    Obviously, this is all an argument about word semantics: what meaning
    should we assign to "physical" in relation to color. But there are
    better or worse ways of doing that. I don't think your way makes a whole
    lot of sense. If it happens to be a predominant usage in science, then I
    have to reluctantly accept that, of course. Word semantics arguments
    are won by consensus. Insisting on your own personal definition or one
    shared by a few authors is counterproductive, even if it is a good
    definition, unless you can bring about change to a better definition. (Improvements in terminology do happen in science!) OTOH if you argue
    against a good term that has wide consensus, insisting on a poor term,
    you are not on good footing.

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  • From Richard Damon@21:1/5 to Mr Flibble on Tue Sep 2 22:34:03 2025
    On 9/2/25 1:11 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Sep 2025 07:22:59 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 2:15 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:12:29 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 2:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 14:03:02 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:31 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 13:29:44 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 9/1/25 1:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:16:24 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:

    On 8/31/25 9:09 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 20:30:51 -0400, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    On 8/31/25 8:08 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
    In the diagonalization proofs it doesn't matter what halting >>>>>>>>>>>>> decision a halt decider, given a *description* of its caller >>>>>>>>>>>>> as in input, reports to its caller because its caller will >>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed to do the exact opposite causing a logical
    contradiction.

    Olcott is too stubborn to understand this; he seems to reject >>>>>>>>>>>>> it based on logical misunderstandings, especially his >>>>>>>>>>>>> conflation of execution with simulation.

    Pink isn't a physical colour.

    /Flibble


    But only if you define physical color as spectral colors, as a >>>>>>>>>>>> quaint misuse of the word.

    By the NORMAL meaning of Physical Color, which is an
    observational phenomenon over the full visible spectrum, it is >>>>>>>>>>>> one.

    Mr Flibble is just showing he believes in Olcottian logic. >>>>>>>>>>>
    "If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible >>>>>>>>>>> spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and >>>>>>>>>>> don’t count as true, physical colors." --
    https://www.britannica.com/story/are-black-and-white-
    colors

    /Flibble


    Right.

    *IF*, a conditional, and is specifing an unusual condition, as >>>>>>>>>> were rarely are talking about, as just the rainbow specturm >>>>>>>>>> (which is what they seem to be talking about).

    Sincd that is NOT the normal case, it doesn't define what
    "physical color" means in normal conversation.

    Note, by that definition, your monitor doesn't produce "Orange" >>>>>>>>>> as when it does, it isn't the orange that comes out of that >>>>>>>>>> definition.

    In fact, by that definition, you monitor only produces 3 very >>>>>>>>>> specific colors.

    Sorry, your problem is that you don't understand what that >>>>>>>>>> article is talking about.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am >>>>>>>>> you lying c-nt.

    /Flibble



    SO you are Peter Olcotting again.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am >>>>>>> you lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    So, you admit to just being a second Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you >>>>> lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Which is just Peter Olcotting, as your soucce specifically limited its >>>> usage to a non-standard usage when it did so.

    You are just showing you don't understand how words (or truth) works.

    Thus, you are just a second coming of Peter Olcott.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble




    Actually, they don't, they say that OTHERS use it that way, in a
    specialized condition, and they disagree with it, as they point out with
    their conclusionL


    If you include in the definition of color, however, all of the ways in
    which human eyes process light and the lack of it, then black and white,
    as well as pink, earn their places in the crayon box.

    Since that *IS* the normal definition of color, all you are doing is
    show=ing that you are disciple of Peter Olcott, and share is view that
    you can just redefine words to say what you want.

    This is shown also in some of the other articles on that page, which use
    the later version of the definition of color.

    My source is using the term "physical color" in the same way I am you
    lying c-nt.

    /Flibble






    Actually, they don't, they say that OTHERS use it that way, in a
    specialized condition, and they disagree with it, as they point out with
    their conclusionL


    If you include in the definition of color, however, all of the ways in
    which human eyes process light and the lack of it, then black and white,
    as well as pink, earn their places in the crayon box.

    Since that *IS* the normal definition of color, all you are doing is
    show=ing that you are disciple of Peter Olcott, and share is view that
    you can just redefine words to say what you want.

    Your failure to read and respond just shows you are so stupid you can't understand what people say, or so stupid, you don't care if you are wrong.

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