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  • [OT] Thunderbird Reply-button (was Re:

    From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to James Kuyper on Sat Nov 23 05:26:04 2024
    On 23.11.2024 04:49, James Kuyper wrote:
    On 11/22/24 18:06, Dan Cross wrote:
    ...
    a) Please stop emailing me this stuff _and_ posting it here. I
    have asked you this in the past, and previously you'd said that
    it was because you switched news readers. That's fine, but that
    was a year ago or more.

    Actually, Thunderbird made the change to how the "Reply" button works sometime around April 2021, and I'm still making the mistake of hitting
    it when I should hit "Followup". At my age it's hard to change a habit acquired over a couple of decades of posting to usenet; I'm doing my
    best to change it, and still failing frequently.

    Been there. I desperately looked for a way to fix or alleviate that
    horrendous user-interface misconception. Eventually I was able to
    fix it, but unfortunately cannot quite recall how that was done.

    Now in my old TB 45.8.0 I I have

    Followup v Forward ... More v
    --------
    Reply All
    Reply

    where Followup is the default and the Reply buttons are a drop-down
    menu, while in TB 102.11.0 I have a similar menu like this

    Followup v Reply Forward ... More v
    -------- ----
    Reply All ...
    Reply Customize Toolbar

    I seem to recall that the leftmost menu items were called something
    like *cough* "Smart Reply" (or so), and I indeed see such an entry in
    my newer TB version under More -> Customize Toolbar ; maybe it helps
    to fix it [on your TB version] (or to find some hints on the Web with
    that keyword).

    Janis

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  • From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sat Nov 23 00:04:05 2024
    On 11/22/24 23:26, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 23.11.2024 04:49, James Kuyper wrote:
    ...
    Actually, Thunderbird made the change to how the "Reply" button works
    sometime around April 2021, and I'm still making the mistake of hitting
    it when I should hit "Followup". At my age it's hard to change a habit
    acquired over a couple of decades of posting to usenet; I'm doing my
    best to change it, and still failing frequently.

    Been there. I desperately looked for a way to fix or alleviate that horrendous user-interface misconception. Eventually I was able to
    fix it, but unfortunately cannot quite recall how that was done.

    I seem to recall that I was advised that I could use an older version of Thunderbird to edit the list of buttons that are visible, something that
    cannot be done in the latest version. I'm afraid to go back to an older version, because so many of the updates to most of the software I own
    consists of security fixes. I don't want to go back to an older, less
    secure version of TB.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to James Kuyper on Sat Nov 23 06:09:15 2024
    On 23.11.2024 06:04, James Kuyper wrote:
    On 11/22/24 23:26, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 23.11.2024 04:49, James Kuyper wrote:
    ...
    Actually, Thunderbird made the change to how the "Reply" button works
    sometime around April 2021, and I'm still making the mistake of hitting
    it when I should hit "Followup". At my age it's hard to change a habit
    acquired over a couple of decades of posting to usenet; I'm doing my
    best to change it, and still failing frequently.

    Been there. I desperately looked for a way to fix or alleviate that
    horrendous user-interface misconception. Eventually I was able to
    fix it, but unfortunately cannot quite recall how that was done.

    I seem to recall that I was advised that I could use an older version of Thunderbird to edit the list of buttons that are visible, something that cannot be done in the latest version. I'm afraid to go back to an older version, because so many of the updates to most of the software I own consists of security fixes. I don't want to go back to an older, less
    secure version of TB.

    Understandable. - But you noticed that the "Smart Reply" thing was
    a feature of my newer Thunderbird version? - I'd think it should be
    there, or isn't it in your version? (What version are you running?)

    Janis

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  • From James Kuyper@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sat Nov 23 09:24:10 2024
    On 11/23/24 00:09, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 23.11.2024 06:04, James Kuyper wrote:
    ...
    I seem to recall that I was advised that I could use an older version of
    Thunderbird to edit the list of buttons that are visible, something that
    cannot be done in the latest version. I'm afraid to go back to an older
    version, because so many of the updates to most of the software I own
    consists of security fixes. I don't want to go back to an older, less
    secure version of TB.

    Understandable. - But you noticed that the "Smart Reply" thing was
    a feature of my newer Thunderbird version? - I'd think it should be
    there, or isn't it in your version? (What version are you running?)


    115.16.0esr

    I don't have a "More/Customize Toolbar" option, only "More/Customize",
    and when I select it, there's only the following options:

    Button Style
    Show senders profile picture
    Larger Profile Picture
    Always show sender's full address
    Hide Labels Column
    Large Subject
    Show all Headers

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to James Kuyper on Sat Nov 23 20:14:55 2024
    On 23.11.2024 15:24, James Kuyper wrote:
    On 11/23/24 00:09, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 23.11.2024 06:04, James Kuyper wrote:
    ...
    I seem to recall that I was advised that I could use an older version of >>> Thunderbird to edit the list of buttons that are visible, something that >>> cannot be done in the latest version. I'm afraid to go back to an older
    version, because so many of the updates to most of the software I own
    consists of security fixes. I don't want to go back to an older, less
    secure version of TB.

    Understandable. - But you noticed that the "Smart Reply" thing was
    a feature of my newer Thunderbird version? - I'd think it should be
    there, or isn't it in your version? (What version are you running?)


    115.16.0esr

    That's newer than my "newer" one. - So they changed interface again?!

    Both TB versions I am using allowed some fix; none allowed it in an
    obvious, acceptable form, let alone did it right in the first place.


    I don't have a "More/Customize Toolbar" option, only "More/Customize",
    [...]

    Since you seem to be annoying someone here it's probably best to search
    for a solution or workaround on the Net/Web for your TB version.

    For the other (annoyed) poster I would just suggest "self-defense" in
    the form of changing the email address to allow filtering. (I'm using
    for Internet anyway a special spam-catch email base address, and also
    added a "filter component" to that, but that's not supported by all
    email systems.) - I'm sure that's not what you prefer; you'll have to
    choose your path of least annoyance yourself.

    Janis

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