• New fork of X.org xserver

    From Alastair Hogge@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 6 16:38:34 2025
    Hello,

    I do not think the original post, by Enrico Weigelt, to the xorg-devel mailinglist made its way thru, tho freebsd-x11 was CC'd.

    Anyways, if anyone missed it, here it is:

    Hello everybody,


    this morning, Redhat employees banned me from the freedesktop.org gitlab infrastructure - so censored all my work (not just on Xorg). They killed
    my account, my git repos, my tickets in Xorg and closed all my merge
    requests. And then making fun on social media about it.

    They fired the shot that's heared around the world.

    So much for freedesktop.org being "independent" and embracing freedom.
    Perhaps we should nominate them for the next Orwell award.

    It's now clear that freedesktop.org *is* the Redskirts, and they want
    to kill X. By the way, the same corporation that tied to proprietarize a
    lot of FOSS code, including the Linux kernel (and I've been one of those
    who warned them about terminating our license grants them).

    My most evil heresies probably were:

    a) forking Xorg and making *actual progress*
    b) talking to a journalist whose name must not be spoken in many other
    Redhat/IBM tax evasion outlets, like GNOME (they're also banning
    honorable long time contributors for just mentioning that name)
    c) inviting *anybody* to join me, without discrimination

    I don't know why, but it really looks they're quite scared by one guy
    that's just trying to actually bring X11 forward. Hard to find he right
    words for telling how honored I'm about that.

    This didn't actually surprise me, I knew this would be coming for about
    a year now. Just didn't expect them to do such an extremely irrational
    and dumb move. Now I'm taking great pleasure seeing the Streisand effect kicking in (my inbox is exploding). Thanks for that great publicity.

    It's not the first time this happens in FOSS world, and it's not the
    first time it's happening in X: remember what Xfree86 board did to
    the honorable Keith Packard, back about two decades ago - what lead to
    the birth of Xorg and the death of Xfree86. Same is happening again.

    History repeats itself.

    And now the Redskirts placed me onto the same stage as the great
    honorable Keith Packard. WOOOOW.

    Just to be clear, I didn't want to fork, I tried my best to work
    together with the Xorg team. But I knew for long time, this day would
    come. Xorg has been captured by Redhat, in order to get rid of destroy competition. The necessary consequence is a fork, more competition.

    For those interested in bringing X forward, feel free to join the
    mailing list:

    https://www.freelists.org/list/xlibre

    Git repo:
    https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver.git

    I'm expecting to be banned from whole freedesktop.org mail system, too. Excommunication unfortunately had become a common thing in the so-called
    "free software" world - GNOME is just one of many examples. So if you
    don't hear anymore from me on freedesktop.org lists, you know what's
    going on.

    Join the xlibre mailing list to stay tuned.

    Together, we'll make X great again.


    have fun,
    --mtx



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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 6 20:27:57 2025
    On 06.06.2025 16:38 Uhr Alastair Hogge wrote:

    this morning, Redhat employees banned me from the freedesktop.org
    gitlab infrastructure - so censored all my work (not just on Xorg).
    They killed my account, my git repos, my tickets in Xorg and closed
    all my merge requests. And then making fun on social media about it.

    They fired the shot that's heared around the world.

    So much for freedesktop.org being "independent" and embracing freedom.

    Isn't that the same that happens on the systemd stuff?

    My most evil heresies probably were:

    a) forking Xorg and making *actual progress*

    IIRC Redhat wan't to kill X11, but why? They can simply stop providing
    it in their operating systems and don't have to deal with it anymore.

    b) talking to a journalist whose name must not be spoken in many other
    Redhat/IBM tax evasion outlets, like GNOME (they're also banning
    honorable long time contributors for just mentioning that name)

    Can you give it?

    I'm expecting to be banned from whole freedesktop.org mail system,
    too. Excommunication unfortunately had become a common thing in the
    so-called "free software" world - GNOME is just one of many examples.
    So if you don't hear anymore from me on freedesktop.org lists, you
    know what's going on.

    What happens if you join again using another name?

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  • From Alastair Hogge@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Jun 7 03:32:37 2025
    On Fri, 06 Jun 2025 20:27:57 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

    On 06.06.2025 16:38 Uhr Alastair Hogge wrote:

    this morning, Redhat employees banned me from the freedesktop.org
    gitlab infrastructure - so censored all my work (not just on Xorg).
    They killed my account, my git repos, my tickets in Xorg and closed all
    my merge requests. And then making fun on social media about it.

    They fired the shot that's heared around the world.

    So much for freedesktop.org being "independent" and embracing freedom.

    Isn't that the same that happens on the systemd stuff?

    Hmmm perhaps.

    My most evil heresies probably were:

    a) forking Xorg and making *actual progress*

    IIRC Redhat wan't to kill X11, but why? They can simply stop providing
    it in their operating systems and don't have to deal with it anymore.

    b) talking to a journalist whose name must not be spoken in many other
    Redhat/IBM tax evasion outlets, like GNOME (they're also banning
    honorable long time contributors for just mentioning that name)

    Can you give it?

    https://nitter.net/LundukeJournal/status/1930727192964514137 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwaaSatk0pI

    I'm expecting to be banned from whole freedesktop.org mail system, too.
    Excommunication unfortunately had become a common thing in the
    so-called "free software" world - GNOME is just one of many examples.
    So if you don't hear anymore from me on freedesktop.org lists, you know
    what's going on.

    What happens if you join again using another name?

    It probably gets boring.



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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to Alastair Hogge on Sat Aug 23 06:00:54 2025
    Alastair Hogge <agh@riseup.net> wrote:


    Just to be clear, I didn't want to fork, I tried my best to work
    together with the Xorg team. But I knew for long time, this day would
    come. Xorg has been captured by Redhat, in order to get rid of destroy competition. The necessary consequence is a fork, more competition.

    For those interested in bringing X forward, feel free to join the
    mailing list:

    https://www.freelists.org/list/xlibre

    Git repo:
    https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver.git

    I'm expecting to be banned from whole freedesktop.org mail system, too. Excommunication unfortunately had become a common thing in the so-called "free software" world - GNOME is just one of many examples. So if you
    don't hear anymore from me on freedesktop.org lists, you know what's
    going on.

    Join the xlibre mailing list to stay tuned.

    Together, we'll make X great again.


    So is Xlibre a FreeBSD port (yet)?

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