So we have a shell server for our customers. There aren't
that many folks using it anymore.
The shell servers we've had at sonic.com have always been
near and dear to my heart. I built them, and they were
labors of love. But it's time to turn the service down.
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
I'm hoping for.
When discussing this with a colleague, he suggested that
users could just get a vps from AWS. That's a bit too
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of
them might be able to transition to being a system
administrator, but a lot just want to run tin, pine,
mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
So we have a shell server for our customers. There aren't
that many folks using it anymore.
The shell servers we've had at sonic.com have always been
near and dear to my heart. I built them, and they were
labors of love. But it's time to turn the service down.
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
I'm hoping for.
When discussing this with a colleague, he suggested that
users could just get a vps from AWS. That's a bit too
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of
them might be able to transition to being a system
administrator, but a lot just want to run tin, pine,
mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix.
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of
them might be able to transition to being a system
administrator, but a lot just want to run tin, pine,
mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning down services.
I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good shell providers,
places like Panix.
That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of them might be able
to transition to being a system administrator, but a lot just want to
run tin, pine, mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
all the above packages.
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> writes:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:46:32 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku[...]
<433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote in <20240308013928.226@kylheku.com>:
To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet[...]
connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
all the above packages.
...with all the system administration that entails.
Or you can run a Windows machine with an ssh client such as PuTTY or TeraTerm, or an Android or ChromeOS device with an ssh client, or a Mac
if that's your thing.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:46:32 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
<433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote in <20240308013928.226@kylheku.com>:
On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning down services.
I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good shell providers,
places like Panix.
That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating
systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
That turns out not to be the case.
Some shell users don't want to be system administrators.
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of them might be able
to transition to being a system administrator, but a lot just want to
run tin, pine, mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet
connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
all the above packages.
...with all the system administration that entails.
We are muddying the argument now. The argument is that if you have
a machine which can run an SSH client, chance are that instead of that,
you can just run a freeware distro where you have mutt, pine, irssi, tf,
and whatnot.
Yes, luckily, in those 30 years, we also got to the point where anyone
can install the stuff with their eyes closed, or even buy a system
with it preinstalled.
There is next to nothing to administer on a machine that just runs
client applications like tin or irssi.
I have a .plan file someone can "finger".
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:46:32 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
<433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote in <20240308013928.226@kylheku.com>:
On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning down services.
I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good shell providers,
places like Panix.
That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating
systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
That turns out not to be the case.
Some shell users don't want to be system administrators.
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of them might be able
to transition to being a system administrator, but a lot just want to
run tin, pine, mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet
connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
all the above packages.
...with all the system administration that entails.
I suppose the formal name for my request is recommendations for "managed shell services".
Thanks to those who responded, sdf.org and the tildeverse are great suggestions.
On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:46:32 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
<433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote in <20240308013928.226@kylheku.com>:
On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning down services.
I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good shell providers,
places like Panix.
That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating >>> systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
That turns out not to be the case.
Some shell users don't want to be system administrators.
"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of them might be able >>>> to transition to being a system administrator, but a lot just want to
run tin, pine, mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet
connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
all the above packages.
...with all the system administration that entails.
I suppose the formal name for my request is recommendations for "managed
shell services".
Thanks to those who responded, sdf.org and the tildeverse are great
suggestions.
Part of your community could move to tilde.pink . There's no http, the
server runs NetBSD and there's limited disk space. But maybe that's not
an issue? More information on tilde.pink :
gemini://tilde.pink
gopher://tilde.pink
More information on gemini:
https://geminiprotocol.net
You can find us on irc in #pink . Server tilde.chat port 6697 (tls).
Speaking of gopher and gemini, what would you need there in order to cut
off the regular internet completely? And I don't count the commercial internet (banking, travelling, online shopping), but apart from those use cases, what would it take for you to shift completely onto gopher or
gemini?
On 2024-03-10, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
----snip----
Speaking of gopher and gemini, what would you need there in order to cut
off the regular internet completely? And I don't count the commercial
internet (banking, travelling, online shopping), but apart from those use
cases, what would it take for you to shift completely onto gopher or
gemini?
"Solving captchas." Would be an answer that matches your question. It's
a mystery to me why in the era of ChatGPT humans still need to solve captchas.
Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
in the era of self-driving cars.
On 2024-03-12 11:48, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
in the era of self-driving cars.
Prove you are _not_ an AI by speeding between traffic lights.
On 2024-03-09, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
I have a .plan file someone can "finger".I have a razor-sharp flint stone fragment with which I can
skin a rabbit!
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
I'm hoping for.
On 3/8/24 02:36, vallor wrote:
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
I'm hoping for.
Panix is hard to beat.
On 2024-03-12 11:48, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
in the era of self-driving cars.
Prove you are _not_ an AI by speeding between traffic lights.
On 2024-03-13, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
Panix is hard to beat.How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?
How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?
On 2024-03-13, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
On 3/8/24 02:36, vallor wrote:
We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
I'm hoping for.
Panix is hard to beat.
How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?
Thanks to those who responded, sdf.org and the tildeverse are great suggestions.
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