• Re: DD application (Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer)

    From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz@21:1/5 to Holger Wansing on Fri May 10 09:40:02 2024
    On Fri, 2024-05-10 at 09:31 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote:
    My problem with this:
    am I really capable of being a DD? You might remember that I am not a programmer, I have no real skills in this direction.
    I can do some scripting, gained by self-learning, but that does not make
    a programmer of me IMO ;-)
    So I am unsure if I can successfully go the apply-for-DD path...
    I fear I lack some basic knowledge for this.
    Don't want to waste my and the application manager's time and effort for something, that does not lead to anything at the end.

    You don't need to be a professional programmer to become a DD. It's more important to be passionate about Debian and free software and a dedicated contributor to both. Also, being a good community member is essential.

    And that all definitely applies to you. I would support your DD application!

    Adrian

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  • From Holger Wansing@21:1/5 to Cyril Brulebois on Fri May 10 09:40:02 2024
    Hi,

    Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> wrote (Fri, 10 May 2024 09:00:39 +0200):
    Holger Wansing <hwansing@mailbox.org> (2024-05-10):
    Now blendsel being moved to installer-team, would you mind giving me
    dm permissions, so I can upload? Thanks

    I seem to recall that only works for existing packages?

    Ah ok, yes that makes sense.
    Then anyone else will have to do the upload :-(

    May I suggest to think about turning your DD account into a
    non-non-uploading one? :)

    I know you repeatedly suggested this.
    Especially every time I ask for more packages to get dm permissions for :-))


    My problem with this:
    am I really capable of being a DD? You might remember that I am not a programmer, I have no real skills in this direction.
    I can do some scripting, gained by self-learning, but that does not make
    a programmer of me IMO ;-)
    So I am unsure if I can successfully go the apply-for-DD path...
    I fear I lack some basic knowledge for this.
    Don't want to waste my and the application manager's time and effort for something, that does not lead to anything at the end.


    Holger


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  • From Cyril Brulebois@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 22:10:01 2024
    Hi,

    Holger Wansing <hwansing@mailbox.org> (2024-05-10):
    I know you repeatedly suggested this. Especially every time I ask for
    more packages to get dm permissions for :-))

    Just in case that's not clear: I'm not trying to get rid of you as if
    you were a burden (which you're clearly not), I'm suggesting you get
    recognized as an uploading DD (which you certainly qualify for
    already!).

    My problem with this: am I really capable of being a DD? You might
    remember that I am not a programmer, I have no real skills in this
    direction. I can do some scripting, gained by self-learning, but that
    does not make a programmer of me IMO ;-)

    You certainly don't need to be any kind of programmer (professional or self-taught) to be a DD.

    Given a package that you'd like to upload, are you able to look around
    in its source code, spot issues or things you want to improve, to come
    up with a patch that you'd be confident to upload? That's what matters.
    That's already happening for the packages you're DM-allowed to upload.

    When facing an issue or question, do you pick a random solution, hope
    for the best, upload, and watch the fireworks? Or do you ask others,
    gather feedback, and come up with a solution that has high chances to
    work? Definitely the latter, and that's what matters.

    Being knowledgeable about packages you're uploading (be it via a
    sponsor, a DM approval for this package or because you're a DD) is
    important. But that doesn't mean you need to understand and know its
    codebase by heart. Being reasonably sure that the changes to be uploaded
    are improving the situation as a whole, minimizing risks on the rest of
    the ecosystem (other packages in general, not breaking the installer in
    this specific case) is really what seems to be most important to me.

    You're definitely acquainted with the a bunch of things in the installer ecosystem, you're also knowledgeable about l10n topics, and you're
    definitely an excellent team player.

    As far as I'm concerned, the only bug is that your key is not in the
    right keyring! :)

    So I am unsure if I can successfully go the apply-for-DD path...
    I fear I lack some basic knowledge for this.
    Don't want to waste my and the application manager's time and effort
    for something, that does not lead to anything at the end.

    I suppose you already went through questions/checks around the Social
    Contract, Debian Free Software Guidelines, Debian Machine Usage
    Policies, etc. during the non-uploading DD application, so I'm not
    putting any focus on those (important nonetheless!) topics.

    I'd imagine the main difference between both types of application to be around… package manangement/uploads. And you definitely know how to
    upload packages already, as evidenced by:
    https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Wansing


    Please let me know if I can do anything to help you get set up as a DD.


    Cheers,
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    Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
    D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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  • From Steve McIntyre@21:1/5 to Cyril Brulebois on Sat May 11 23:10:01 2024
    On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 10:07:44PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
    Hi,

    Holger Wansing <hwansing@mailbox.org> (2024-05-10):
    I know you repeatedly suggested this. Especially every time I ask for
    more packages to get dm permissions for :-))

    Just in case that's not clear: I'm not trying to get rid of you as if
    you were a burden (which you're clearly not), I'm suggesting you get >recognized as an uploading DD (which you certainly qualify for
    already!).

    +1000

    Holger, you're great. Stop arguing :-)

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    practice, but if you do it fast enough it’s Machine Learning.”
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  • From Holger Wansing@21:1/5 to Cyril Brulebois on Mon May 13 18:30:01 2024
    Hi,

    Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> wrote (Sat, 11 May 2024 22:07:44 +0200):
    You're definitely acquainted with the a bunch of things in the installer ecosystem, you're also knowledgeable about l10n topics, and you're
    definitely an excellent team player.

    As far as I'm concerned, the only bug is that your key is not in the
    right keyring! :)

    So, let's see if I can fix this bug:
    https://nm.debian.org/process/1292/


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    Holger Wansing <hwansing@mailbox.org>
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