Hi,

For now I'm cc-ing debian-boot@ for information. Feel free to adjust
recipients as you see fit.


Writing with my D-I release manager hat: Over time it seems newer
laptops are getting equipped with Wi-Fi 7 chips, which we don't
support currently. If I got the gist right, we support older chips
implementing the wext interface (via wpa_supplicant). Newer chips
require going through nl80111. Not so old chips might be able to
deal with both wext and nl80211. In any case, I'd like to be able
to test what's happening with brand new chips, to make sure the
possible dual support doesn't get in the way.

Looking around, it looks like they're only found in laptops in the
1000+ EUR range (main criteria: Wi-Fi 7 capable, and deliverable to
France).

A while back, Jonathan Carter ACKed the purchase of two middle/high
end laptops riddled with firmware because that made sense at the
time: trying to find ways to get systems installed, and workarounds
documented (this was for Debian 11). Those were also much helpful
when the (latest) GR about firmware passed, and they played a
crucial role in getting things lined up for Debian 12. They're still
pretty useful for all the firmware-related work and rework that we
have to do for new features, to fix old bugs, etc.

If we were able to find something cheap-ish with Wi-Fi 7, e.g.
around 500 EUR, I think it would make sense to have something
self-contained to play with. Given my main focus is really Wi-Fi 7
support, 1000+ EUR seems too much.

Therefore I'd like to investigate external adapters. There seem to
be a bunch of options available in the 50-100 EUR range. Would you
approve the purchase of one or more such devices, for say up to 300
EUR total?

For example:
- MSI BE6500 (~ 80 EUR)
- NEWFAST BE6500 (~ 70 EUR)
- TP-Link BE6500 (~ 70 EUR)

I haven't really looked into the specific of each (BE6500 comes up a
lot I suppose this is a standard chip that's integrated by various
vendors), but I'd need to make sure it's supported by the trixie
kernel of course (and if needed, firmware available in trixie).

If it's determined that a full laptop is easier (and provided we
don't expect it to be completely unsupported under Linux 6.12), I'd
be fine with that option as a fallback plan. I don't want random
hardware to pile up at my place, but an extra laptop is still an
acceptable hardware addition at this stage…


The first step is to make sure the code we're thinking about adding
to netcfg (managing the network in d-i) will indeed flag those cards
and only those as unsupported, so that we can point users to some documentation. I think Pascal is rather convinced of the proposed implementation, but I'd like to double check with actual hardware.

The second step would be trying to add support to netcfg. It seems
unlikely to happen before trixie is released, but if we can manage
to implement and test that a little after, and feel confident
enough, this could be considered for a backport through a point
release.


Thanks for your time.


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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Hi,

thank you for the extensive explanation what is needed and how we can
approach this for a minimum price. From my point of view we should not
only evaluate the price but also your effort to get it in some easily
testable shape. If this would be another laptop that's fine for me. In
case Laptops pile up at your place for testing you might like to hand
over one of the older models to some other DD if you consider a new one
for a good replacement.

In short: I'll approve your request even for a 1000€ laptop if this
is the best solution for your case.

Kind regards and thanks a lot for all your work
Andreas.

Am Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:38:04AM +0200 schrieb Cyril Brulebois:

Hi,

For now I'm cc-ing debian-boot@ for information. Feel free to adjust recipients as you see fit.

Writing with my D-I release manager hat: Over time it seems newer
laptops are getting equipped with Wi-Fi 7 chips, which we don't
support currently. If I got the gist right, we support older chips implementing the wext interface (via wpa_supplicant). Newer chips
require going through nl80111. Not so old chips might be able to
deal with both wext and nl80211. In any case, I'd like to be able
to test what's happening with brand new chips, to make sure the
possible dual support doesn't get in the way.

Looking around, it looks like they're only found in laptops in the
1000+ EUR range (main criteria: Wi-Fi 7 capable, and deliverable to
France).

A while back, Jonathan Carter ACKed the purchase of two middle/high
end laptops riddled with firmware because that made sense at the
time: trying to find ways to get systems installed, and workarounds documented (this was for Debian 11). Those were also much helpful
when the (latest) GR about firmware passed, and they played a
crucial role in getting things lined up for Debian 12. They're still
pretty useful for all the firmware-related work and rework that we
have to do for new features, to fix old bugs, etc.

If we were able to find something cheap-ish with Wi-Fi 7, e.g.
around 500 EUR, I think it would make sense to have something
self-contained to play with. Given my main focus is really Wi-Fi 7
support, 1000+ EUR seems too much.

Therefore I'd like to investigate external adapters. There seem to
be a bunch of options available in the 50-100 EUR range. Would you
approve the purchase of one or more such devices, for say up to 300
EUR total?

For example:
- MSI BE6500 (~ 80 EUR)
- NEWFAST BE6500 (~ 70 EUR)
- TP-Link BE6500 (~ 70 EUR)

I haven't really looked into the specific of each (BE6500 comes up a
lot I suppose this is a standard chip that's integrated by various
vendors), but I'd need to make sure it's supported by the trixie
kernel of course (and if needed, firmware available in trixie).

If it's determined that a full laptop is easier (and provided we
don't expect it to be completely unsupported under Linux 6.12), I'd
be fine with that option as a fallback plan. I don't want random
hardware to pile up at my place, but an extra laptop is still an
acceptable hardware addition at this stage…

The first step is to make sure the code we're thinking about adding
to netcfg (managing the network in d-i) will indeed flag those cards
and only those as unsupported, so that we can point users to some documentation. I think Pascal is rather convinced of the proposed implementation, but I'd like to double check with actual hardware.

The second step would be trying to add support to netcfg. It seems
unlikely to happen before trixie is released, but if we can manage
to implement and test that a little after, and feel confident
enough, this could be considered for a backport through a point
release.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

--
https://fam-tille.de

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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:38:04AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

If we were able to find something cheap-ish with Wi-Fi 7, e.g.
around 500 EUR, I think it would make sense to have something
self-contained to play with. Given my main focus is really Wi-Fi 7
support, 1000+ EUR seems too much.

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=18749_802.11be lists notebook with Wi-Fi
7 interface. The Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 has Wi-Fi 7 and sells for under
600 Euros, while the Dell Inspiron 14 5441 (an ARM notebook) also has
Wi-Fi 7 and is in the same price range. Lenovo also has ARM noteboks
with Wi-Fi 7.

If it is easier to order a notebook to Germany, I can do that and bring
the machine to Brest.

Greetings
Marc

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Hi,

Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> (2025-05-25):

thank you for the extensive explanation what is needed and how we can approach this for a minimum price. From my point of view we should not
only evaluate the price but also your effort to get it in some easily testable shape. If this would be another laptop that's fine for me. In
case Laptops pile up at your place for testing you might like to hand
over one of the older models to some other DD if you consider a new one
for a good replacement.

In short: I'll approve your request even for a 1000€ laptop if this
is the best solution for your case.

Many thanks for the swift reply and the ACK! Given Marc's pointer it
looks possible to find some laptop option that would be cheaper than
what I could find initially. And indeed, that would give the best
experience (as opposed to having to pick the right card in d-i, or
disable the onboard WLAN in the firmware, etc.), matching actual user experience…

I'll have to spend more time there, as for the exact same references
I'm seeing Wi-Fi 6 or Wi-Fi 7 depending on the site (e.g. for some
Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 variants — for some reason I'd expect Lenovo
stuff to be less surprising than other vendors…). I'll keep those
details to debian-boot@ and/or to myself, no need to flood your inbox
about this. :)

Until now, both laptops have been immensely useful every year, since
they have subtle differences, covering interesting variations. Rest
assured I'll reach out if and when I end up having “too much hardware”
or “not used often enough hardware” in the future.


Cheers,
--
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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Hi Marc,

Marc Haber <mh+debian-boot@zugschlus.de> (2025-05-25):

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:38:04AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

If we were able to find something cheap-ish with Wi-Fi 7, e.g.
around 500 EUR, I think it would make sense to have something self-contained to play with. Given my main focus is really Wi-Fi 7
support, 1000+ EUR seems too much.

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=18749_802.11be lists notebook with
Wi-Fi 7 interface. The Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 has Wi-Fi 7 and sells for
under 600 Euros, while the Dell Inspiron 14 5441 (an ARM notebook)
also has Wi-Fi 7 and is in the same price range. Lenovo also has ARM
noteboks with Wi-Fi 7.

Thanks a lot, that's much more reasonable than what I had seen so far.
I'm seeing very different specs on various websites, but the Lenovo
website makes everything clear: some models can be configured and
“IdeaPad Slim 3 Gen 10 (14" AMD)” is in that category, with wireless options being:
- Wi-Fi 6 2x2 AX and Bluetooth® 5.3
- Wi-Fi 7 2x2 BE 160 MHz and Bluetooth® 5.4

(10 EUR difference…)

I sleep on this and probably order from Lenovo directly (making extra
sure what's under the hood).

I'm almost tempted by the idea of an ARM-based laptop, but I'm a little
afraid this might drag me into some different, possibly deeper rabbit
hole, so I'll investigate such things on my own dime, later… :)

If it is easier to order a notebook to Germany, I can do that and
bring the machine to Brest.

Thanks for the offer, much appreciated. Hopefully that won't be needed.
:)


Vielen Dank!
--
Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/>
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 09:38:15PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

Marc Haber <mh+debian-boot@zugschlus.de> (2025-05-25):

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 05:38:04AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

If we were able to find something cheap-ish with Wi-Fi 7, e.g.
around 500 EUR, I think it would make sense to have something
self-contained to play with. Given my main focus is really Wi-Fi 7
support, 1000+ EUR seems too much.

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=18749_802.11be lists notebook with
Wi-Fi 7 interface. The Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 has Wi-Fi 7 and sells for
under 600 Euros, while the Dell Inspiron 14 5441 (an ARM notebook)
also has Wi-Fi 7 and is in the same price range. Lenovo also has ARM
noteboks with Wi-Fi 7.

Thanks a lot, that's much more reasonable than what I had seen so far.
I'm seeing very different specs on various websites, but the Lenovo
website makes everything clear: some models can be configured and
“IdeaPad Slim 3 Gen 10 (14" AMD)” is in that category, with wireless >options being:
- Wi-Fi 6 2x2 AX and Bluetooth® 5.3
- Wi-Fi 7 2x2 BE 160 MHz and Bluetooth® 5.4

(10 EUR difference…)

Sadly, the Geizhals database is not always exact-to-the-point in those technical details.

I sleep on this and probably order from Lenovo directly (making extra
sure what's under the hood).

Maybe you can get an even stiffer discount or order via the DD program?

I'm almost tempted by the idea of an ARM-based laptop, but I'm a little >afraid this might drag me into some different, possibly deeper rabbit
hole, so I'll investigate such things on my own dime, later… :)

I would really love to see the Installer tested on an ARM notebook. I am
pretty sure that my current T14 AMD¹ will be my last notebook with an
x86 processor.

If it is easier to order a notebook to Germany, I can do that and
bring the machine to Brest.

Thanks for the offer, much appreciated. Hopefully that won't be needed.

You know where to find me ;-)

Greetings
Marc

¹ that thing is a real diva regarding USB C dock. I suspect this might
be because of the AMD CPU. I might try an Intel T14 and then blow a fuse
and throw my AMD T14 away prematurely. Can I have classical system bus
docks back, pretty please?


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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 09:51:39PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

I would really love to see the Installer tested on an ARM notebook. I am pretty sure that my current T14 AMD¹ will be my last notebook with an x86 processor.

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/X13s says
"As of October 11 2023, Debian Trixie can be installed on the Thinkpad X13s
using the daily netinst image."

(obviously not the released version of Debian trixie, but they have been using the arm64 netinst image :)

not sure how up2date the wiki page is in regards to the overall status,
eg wayland is almost completly missing. I know at least one Thinkpad X13s
I could ask...


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Marc Haber <mh+debian-boot@zugschlus.de> (2025-05-25):

Sadly, the Geizhals database is not always exact-to-the-point in those technical details.

No worries, the more important point to me is: options way under 1000
EUR exist! I'm just glad I spotted the “many variants exist” thing
before buying blindly. :)

Maybe you can get an even stiffer discount or order via the DD program?

Heh, I was just checking that and while my account still exists
(somewhat… “Bonjour, not specified!”), after configuring the laptop
the exact same way I ended up with the exact same price.

That made a world of difference when I bought my beefy workstation a
while back though!

I would really love to see the Installer tested on an ARM notebook.

Me too! I think when I was at the release session (Cambridge, '23), I
asked about that kind of things; there were some options but most of
them were less than ideal (e.g. having to fiddle with some u-boot fork
or stuff like that), so I ended up not investigating this further.

To my hardmware-illiterate eyes, it seems the market got a flurry of
options lately, and I'd be happy to investigate such things at a later
point. We've got lots of arm64 love from Emanuele Rocca at the very
least, so I'd hope Debian users to have a fighting chance on non-crazy
pieces of hardware!

Right now, I went for the safe{,r,st} option, keeping my focus on that
one thing (possibly getting more hardware and/or firmware related fun
along the way)… without risking having to fight just to boot the damn
thing. :-)


Cheers,
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D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

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