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  • Qt upgrade

    From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 09:50:02 2024
    Hi!

    Unstable users already saw it, I bet:

    There is a Qt upgrade ongoing.

    As usual watch output of apt carefully and wait with full-upgrade until Qt related package building is complete.

    The new apt 2.9 and later makes it really obvious, so maybe warnings like
    this are no longer needed? I mean "REMOVING:" at the end with all the
    package names in red. Kinda obvious, if you ask me.

    Best,
    --
    Martin

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  • From Andrey Rakhmatullin@21:1/5 to Martin Steigerwald on Thu May 23 10:10:01 2024
    On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
    The new apt 2.9 and later makes it really obvious, so maybe warnings like this are no longer needed?
    It was always obvious *shrug*

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    WBR, wRAR

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_COUDERC?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 12:20:01 2024
    Le 23 mai 2024 10:09:29 GMT+02:00, Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> a écrit :
    On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
    The new apt 2.9 and later makes it really obvious, so maybe warnings like >> this are no longer needed?
    It was always obvious *shrug*

    Must depend on your kind of eyes :-), I do find the new feedback of packages to be removed *much* more obvious.

    And BTW it's in apt version 2.9.3 onwards if I remember correctly. Older versions didn't have that.


    Happy hacking,
    --
    Aurélien

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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 13:20:01 2024
    Aurélien COUDERC - 23.05.24, 11:50:08 CEST:
    Le 23 mai 2024 10:09:29 GMT+02:00, Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org>
    a écrit :
    On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
    The new apt 2.9 and later makes it really obvious, so maybe warnings
    like this are no longer needed?

    It was always obvious *shrug*

    Must depend on your kind of eyes :-), I do find the new feedback of
    packages to be removed *much* more obvious.

    Well, if you looked for it and I always recommend people I trained with
    Linux to look out for it, then sure it was obvious. But before with a long output it was needed to scroll up. And given feedback here on the list and elsewhere I came to the conclusion that not everyone did. It was not that
    we had been there on this list: It has been a while, but I still remember
    the "I messed up my system, please help!" kind of o posts.

    I did not count how often I said to participants of my Linux courses: Read that error message. Read it aloud if need be! And it was always nice to
    watch the conclusion appear in their face as they recognized: yes, the
    error message told exactly what was going on and they just did not read it
    or not *all* of it. Granted: Not all of the time it does. There are bad cryptic error messages, still.

    Now with new apt it is really in the face even for those who skipped
    scrolling up, probably even despite better recommendations.

    And BTW it's in apt version 2.9.3 onwards if I remember correctly. Older versions didn't have that.

    Thanks for the correction.

    I also appreciate the faster initialization of apt. It is still not quite
    as fast as the apk package manager in Alpine Linux and derivatives and it
    may never be, but it at least initializes quite a bit faster than before
    and I have the impression even installation of packages might be a bit
    faster than before, but I am not sure on the latter. Difficult to say from subjective impression.

    Really well done by apt developers. Kudos to them!

    Best,
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    Martin

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