Hi!

Aurélien COUDERC - 23.11.24, 13:14:40 MEZ:

after some months living in experimental and lots of positive feedback,
we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.

Thank you dearly!

Finally!

It has been a lot of effort.

Looking forward to it.

Have a great weekend.
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Please no CC.

Hi Sedat.

Sedat Dilek - 26.11.24, 10:20:16 MEZ:

Maybe you can give an information about versions of KDE/Frameworks and KDE/Gear (KDE/Apps)?
Or even QT6 version.

What do you mean by that? You can just look what is in unstable now.

As for final versions for Trixie? Probably still too early for this.

What are the plans and ambitions for upcoming Debian/trixie aka
Debian-13 release?

Please allow the Qt/KDE team a little time to rest after this major
upgrade. At the moment it is more important to report on any issues you
find so the experience can be made as smooth as possible for those who
upgrade later or will upgrade stable to Trixie in the future.

Especially asking QT5/QT6 and KF5/KF6 compatibility.

Did you actually read what Aurélien has written?

Aurélien COUDERC - 23.11.24, 13:14:40 MEZ:

The plans of the Qt / KDE team is to release Trixie with :
- Qt 5 & 6
- KDE Frameworks 5 aka KF5 (based on Qt 5) & KF6 (based on Qt6)
- Plasma 6 (based on KF6 and Qt6)
- KDE Gear applications of the moment. We expect to ship a mix of
KF5 and KF6-based Gear applications depending on where upstream is with
their porting effort of these mostly independent applications.

As I understand Qt 5 / KF 5 based applications can remain in archive for Trixie.

Best,
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On Sat Nov 23, 2024 at 1:14 PM CET, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

Dear fellow developers and Plasma users,

after some months living in experimental and lots of positive feedback,
we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.
The plans of the Qt / KDE team is to release Trixie with :
- Qt 5 & 6
- KDE Frameworks 5 aka KF5 (based on Qt 5) & KF6 (based on Qt6)
- Plasma 6 (based on KF6 and Qt6)
- KDE Gear applications of the moment. We expect to ship a mix of
KF5 and KF6-based Gear applications depending on where upstream is
with their porting effort of these mostly independent applications.

The upgrade on my main Sid PC went surprisingly smooth \o/
FTR: The upgrade which I reported previously on was on my laptop.

These were the *only* things I needed to do:
- Reset SDDM's theme (similar to laptop)
- Redefine several shortcuts (which seems to be a recurring 'issue' when
having such a large upgrade; no biggy)
- Clicking links in Quassel no longer works. I noticed this too on my
laptop. Scott Kitterman filed a bug *5* years ago for wayland support
in Quassel: https://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1534 and nothing has
happened since. Also the upstream repo seems to be a wasteland for a
while, so I was already planning to dump Quassel. Guess I should
accelerate that.

But those are really the only things I've found thus far :-O

Well done KDE team :-D

Cheers,
Diederik

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On Tue Nov 26, 2024 at 6:18 PM CET, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

Dear Diderik,

Le mardi 26 novembre 2024, 13:49:40 UTC+1 Diederik de Haas via pkg-kde-talk a écrit :

On Sat Nov 23, 2024 at 1:14 PM CET, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

Dear fellow developers and Plasma users,

after some months living in experimental and lots of positive feedback, we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.
The plans of the Qt / KDE team is to release Trixie with :
- Qt 5 & 6
- KDE Frameworks 5 aka KF5 (based on Qt 5) & KF6 (based on Qt6)
- Plasma 6 (based on KF6 and Qt6)
- KDE Gear applications of the moment. We expect to ship a mix of
KF5 and KF6-based Gear applications depending on where upstream is
with their porting effort of these mostly independent applications.

The upgrade on my main Sid PC went surprisingly smooth \o/
FTR: The upgrade which I reported previously on was on my laptop.

These were the *only* things I needed to do:
- Reset SDDM's theme (similar to laptop)

Why was that necessary ?

Because otherwise the whole display was very white-ish and (therefor?)
bright and not the normal background picture you'd see.

Did you upgrade both sddm and sddm-theme-breeze ?

sddm was upgrade last night already so when I booted up this morning it
look quite 'spartan', but when I then did the 'big' upgrade,
sddm-theme-breeze and sddm-theme-debian-breeze were upgraded.
And it was after *that* upgrade that the login screen was white-ish as described above.

Because I didn’t see any issue when upgrading both.

I just opened System Settings -> Login Screen (SDDM) again to check and
the *Debian* Breeze theme does not have a preview and that's what I had selected previous and "reset SDDM theme" entailed switching to the
'normal' Breeze theme.

HTH,
Diederik

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Dear Diderik,

Le mardi 26 novembre 2024, 13:49:40 UTC+1 Diederik de Haas via pkg-kde-talk a écrit :

On Sat Nov 23, 2024 at 1:14 PM CET, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

Dear fellow developers and Plasma users,

after some months living in experimental and lots of positive feedback, we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.
The plans of the Qt / KDE team is to release Trixie with :
- Qt 5 & 6
- KDE Frameworks 5 aka KF5 (based on Qt 5) & KF6 (based on Qt6)
- Plasma 6 (based on KF6 and Qt6)
- KDE Gear applications of the moment. We expect to ship a mix of
KF5 and KF6-based Gear applications depending on where upstream is
with their porting effort of these mostly independent applications.

The upgrade on my main Sid PC went surprisingly smooth \o/
FTR: The upgrade which I reported previously on was on my laptop.

These were the *only* things I needed to do:
- Reset SDDM's theme (similar to laptop)

Why was that necessary ?
Did you upgrade both sddm and sddm-theme-breeze ?

Because I didn’t see any issue when upgrading both.


Thanks,
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Aurélien

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Hello,
For me there is a problem in normally upgrade .
When i do an :
apt dist-upgrade -V after an apt update he want to remove :
kde-plasma-deskstop ,kde-standard, plasma-deskstop, plasma-workspace , sddm- theme-breeze ...
Naturally i stop the upgrade
if i do an apt -s install sddm-theme-breeze
all seems working fine its wants to remove only kdegraphics ,kgamma5 and plasma-workspace-wayland for me its not important i am X11 and not wayland. Cheers.
Philippe Merlin

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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 01:58:48PM +0100, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

Le mercredi 27 novembre 2024, 13:44:21 UTC+1 Marc Haber a écrit :

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 10:46:49AM +0100, MERLIN Philippe wrote:

For me there is a problem in normally upgrade .
When i do an :
apt dist-upgrade -V after an apt update he want to remove : kde-plasma-deskstop ,kde-standard, plasma-deskstop, plasma-workspace , sddm-
theme-breeze ...
Naturally i stop the upgrade

I can confirm this for the test VM that I decided to break first.

This should be due to kde-standard depending on knotes for which there is no Qt6 version and which depends on Qt5 versions of its supporting libraries that are not coinstallable with their Qt6 counterparts.
I’ve updated meta-kde to remove this dependency and uploaded version 5.151 some minutes ago so you should be able to retry later today and not have that issue.

I have seen the meta-kde upload but made the mistake of not waiting.
Since the workaround worked for me, I cannot retry.

There’s a second item in the menu of each component besides « About KDE » that is called something like « About $component_name ».
For example « About System Settings ».
It will show you the version at the top of the dialog.
There’s also a Components tab in this dialog where you can find information about the version of Qt & KDE Frameworks used for compilation and the windowing system in use for that window.

Looks like everything has a 6 in that dialog, and it also verifies that
wayland is being used. I think I might feel brave and either update my
desktop or my notebook later.

Thanks for the great work and partience answering questions.

Greetings
Marc

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On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 10:46:49AM +0100, MERLIN Philippe wrote:

For me there is a problem in normally upgrade .
When i do an :
apt dist-upgrade -V after an apt update he want to remove : kde-plasma-deskstop ,kde-standard, plasma-deskstop, plasma-workspace , sddm- theme-breeze ...
Naturally i stop the upgrade

I can confirm this for the test VM that I decided to break first.

if i do an apt -s install sddm-theme-breeze

This was also a working workaround for me.

About KDE in System Settings and Dolphin doesn't give any version
numbers. How do I find out which version I am actually running?

Greetings
Marc

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Le mercredi 27 novembre 2024, 13:44:21 UTC+1 Marc Haber a écrit :

On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 10:46:49AM +0100, MERLIN Philippe wrote:

For me there is a problem in normally upgrade .
When i do an :
apt dist-upgrade -V after an apt update he want to remove : kde-plasma-deskstop ,kde-standard, plasma-deskstop, plasma-workspace , sddm-
theme-breeze ...
Naturally i stop the upgrade

I can confirm this for the test VM that I decided to break first.

This should be due to kde-standard depending on knotes for which there is no Qt6 version and which depends on Qt5 versions of its supporting libraries that are not coinstallable with their Qt6 counterparts.
I’ve updated meta-kde to remove this dependency and uploaded version 5.151 some minutes ago so you should be able to retry later today and not have that issue.

if i do an apt -s install sddm-theme-breeze

This was also a working workaround for me.

About KDE in System Settings and Dolphin doesn't give any version
numbers. How do I find out which version I am actually running?

There’s a second item in the menu of each component besides « About KDE » that is called something like « About $component_name ».
For example « About System Settings ».
It will show you the version at the top of the dialog.
There’s also a Components tab in this dialog where you can find information about the version of Qt & KDE Frameworks used for compilation and the windowing system in use for that window.


Happy hacking,
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tv.debian ha scritto:

Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.

For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken, complains about missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed and regularly used.

You need the KF6-based konsole from experimental (version 24.08), which should be probably uploaded as well.

Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched though but invisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely unfortunately not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.


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Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.

For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken, complains
about missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed
and regularly used.

Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched though
but invisible.

When trying to add a wallpaper plugin the previously installed ones
don't show, but they block the installation of a newer KDE6 compatible
version. Manually deleting the old ones from
~/.local/share/plasma/wallpapers/ works around it.

Also some plasmoïds and wallpapers plugins advertised as KDE6 compatible
break or don't work at all, but that may not be due to Debian specific packaging, I'll try to investigate as I am not familiar with plasmoid
inner working.

All this on a Sid system up to date as of now, now, now... ;-)


[1] https://packages.debian.org/sid/yakuake
[2] https://packages.debian.org/sid/latte-dock

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On 27/11/2024 15:21, Luigi Toscano wrote:

tv.debian ha scritto:

Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.

For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken, complains about
missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed and regularly
used.

You need the KF6-based konsole from experimental (version 24.08), which should
be probably uploaded as well.

Thank you for the tip, but I have 24.08.0-2 in Unstable and the one in Experimental is older (24.08.0-1). Maybe my mirror is out of sync?

Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched though but
invisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely unfortunately not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.

Yep, just an old habit, I'll try to experiment with plasma6 floating
panels as dock or something, not too big a deal. But maybe it'd be good
to advertise the fact it is not going to work as intended in plasma6 to
avoid user confusion.

Thanks.

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Op wo 27 nov 2024 om 15:32 schreef Luigi Toscano
<luigi.toscano@tiscali.it <mailto:luigi.toscano@tiscali.it>>:

tv.debian ha scritto:
> Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.
>
> For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken,
>complains about

missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed
and regularly used.

You need the KF6-based konsole from experimental (version 24.08),
which should
be probably uploaded as well.


> Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched
> though butinvisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely
unfortunately
not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.


--
Luigi

On 27/11/2024 15:35, Luc Castermans wrote:

Latte-dock: should be/is superfluous with arrival of KDE6. (I used it before, not any longer)

--
Luc Castermans
mailto:luc.castermans@gmail.com <mailto:luc.castermans@gmail.com>

Any special configuration or setting to share? Do you should use a
second panel as dock? Latte-dock has (had) a lot of configuration
options about individual icons behavior, visual cues on various events,
I understand it to be considered bloat by some but it was useful to me.
I don't think Plasma6 is there yet, but I'll give it a try.

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On 27/11/2024 15:21, Luigi Toscano wrote:

tv.debian ha scritto:

Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.

For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken, complains about
missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed and regularly
used.

You need the KF6-based konsole from experimental (version 24.08), which should
be probably uploaded as well.

Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched though but
invisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely unfortunately not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.

After the last round of updates and a reboot Yakuake has fixed himself!
So one less issue for me.

Cheers.

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On 27/11/2024 15:35, Luc Castermans wrote:

Latte-dock:  should be/is superfluous with arrival of KDE6. (I used it before, not any longer)

Op wo 27 nov 2024 om 15:32 schreef Luigi Toscano
<luigi.toscano@tiscali.it <mailto:luigi.toscano@tiscali.it>>:

tv.debian ha scritto:
> Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.
>
> For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken,
complains about
> missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed
and regularly
> used.

You need the KF6-based konsole from experimental (version 24.08),
which should
be probably uploaded as well.

> Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched
though but
> invisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely
unfortunately
not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.

--
Luigi

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So KDE6 IMHO is not up for the job (yet) of replacing Latte-dock, after spending far too long trying various roundabout ways to use panels and
plugins I didn't even get close, or got a stable result...

But Latte-dock is being ported to plasma 6:

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/latte-dock/-/issues/134 https://github.com/KDE/latte-dock/tree/work/plasma6

So I did the right thing and sponsored the effort since I can't donate code.

Cheers.

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Mails crossed. :)

Le mercredi 27 novembre 2024, 18:05:03 UTC+1 tv.debian a écrit :

On 27/11/2024 15:35, Luc Castermans wrote:

Latte-dock: should be/is superfluous with arrival of KDE6. (I used it before, not any longer)

Op wo 27 nov 2024 om 15:32 schreef Luigi Toscano
<luigi.toscano@tiscali.it <mailto:luigi.toscano@tiscali.it>>:

[…]

> Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched
though but
> invisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely
unfortunately
not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.

So KDE6 IMHO is not up for the job (yet) of replacing Latte-dock, after spending far too long trying various roundabout ways to use panels and plugins I didn't even get close, or got a stable result...

But Latte-dock is being ported to plasma 6:

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/latte-dock/-/issues/134 https://github.com/KDE/latte-dock/tree/work/plasma6

OK we will follow how that goes.


Thanks,
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Le mercredi 27 novembre 2024, 16:05:59 UTC+1 tv.debian a écrit :

On 27/11/2024 15:21, Luigi Toscano wrote:

tv.debian ha scritto:

Hello and thanks to all involved for making this happen.

For me Yakuake [1] drop-down terminal emulator is broken, complains about >> missing a "Konsole component", even though Konsole is installed and regularly
used.

You need the KF6-based konsole from experimental (version 24.08), which should
be probably uploaded as well.

Thank you for the tip, but I have 24.08.0-2 in Unstable and the one in Experimental is older (24.08.0-1). Maybe my mirror is out of sync?

I just uploaded 24.08.0-2 to unstable.
It will take a few hours before 24.08.0-1 is automatically removed from experimental, that’s an expected behaviour.

Latte-dock [2] doesn't display the actual dock, it is launched though but >> invisible.

Latte-dock hasn't got a new release in a while, and definitely unfortunately
not for Plasma 6. It may be the case you may need to drop it.

Yep, just an old habit, I'll try to experiment with plasma6 floating
panels as dock or something, not too big a deal. But maybe it'd be good
to advertise the fact it is not going to work as intended in plasma6 to avoid user confusion.

Not much we can do about it I’m afraid.
I will probably file a bug to get it removed (at least from trixie).
It doesn’t have a Qt6 port nor signs of upstream working on it so I’d be tempted to just drop it from Debian entirely.
We can always reupload it if it ever comes back to life.


Happy hacking,
--
Aurélien

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On 2024-11-27, Aurélien COUDERC <coucouf@debian.org> wrote:
[latte dock]

Not much we can do about it I’m afraid.
I will probably file a bug to get it removed (at least from trixie).
It doesn’t have a Qt6 port nor signs of upstream working on it so I’d be tempted to just drop it from Debian entirely.
We can always reupload it if it ever comes back to life.

I guess adding a Breaks: latte-dock (< currentupstreamversion1) to some
core plasma workspace package is a thing we could do.

/Sune

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On Tue Nov 26, 2024 at 1:49 PM CET, Diederik de Haas wrote:

On Sat Nov 23, 2024 at 1:14 PM CET, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.

The upgrade on my main Sid PC went surprisingly smooth \o/
FTR: The upgrade which I reported previously on was on my laptop.

These were the *only* things I needed to do:
- Reset SDDM's theme (similar to laptop)
- Redefine several shortcuts (which seems to be a recurring 'issue' when
having such a large upgrade; no biggy)
- Clicking links in Quassel no longer works. ...

But those are really the only things I've found thus far :-O

Found another thing: the webshortcuts module doesn't work anymore.
Error msg: "Could not find plugin webshortcuts"

It does work on my laptop though, but that could be because I (manually) installed some things when I upgraded that to Plasma 6 (when it was in Experimental).
I compared installed 'qml6' packages, but only difference were these:
- qml6-module-org-kde-kirigamiaddons-sounds
- qml6-module-org-kde-kdeconnect

But both don't seem (directly) related? And those were the only 2
manually installed packages with 'qml6' in their name.

Cheers,
Diederik

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Hi Diederik, hi everyone.

Diederik de Haas - 28.11.24, 13:16:37 MEZ:

But those are really the only things I've found thus far 😮

Found another thing: the webshortcuts module doesn't work anymore.
Error msg: "Could not find plugin webshortcuts"

Works here in experimental as well. I do have one more unstable system to upgrade. I will look what I find there.

To everyone: Keep the reports coming on how Plasma 6 works for you in
unstable / testing! Your contributions are valuable.

Thank you!
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Martin

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On Thu Nov 28, 2024 at 1:16 PM CET, Diederik de Haas wrote:

It does work on my laptop though, but that could be because I (manually) installed some things when I upgraded that to Plasma 6 (when it was in Experimental).
I compared installed 'qml6' packages, but only difference were these:
- qml6-module-org-kde-kirigamiaddons-sounds
- qml6-module-org-kde-kdeconnect

The qml6-module-org-kde-kdeconnect is needed to make kdeconnect work
with the version from experimental, so I guess that needs to be added as
a dependency?

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Hi Sedat, hi Sami, hi!

Sedat Dilek - 29.11.24, 00:10:23 MEZ:

Thanks Sami.

Applied that patch to xdg-utils 1.1.3-4.1 and I can open Links in
quassel IRC client.

Nice!

[…]

"xdg-utils: Add support for KDE 6"
https://bugs.debian.org/1088644

^^ Includes patches

Thanks a lot for reporting this, Sedat!

Also thanks a lot for digging out those patches, Sami!

Great work.

Best,
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Sedat Dilek ha scritto:

On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 9:16 AM Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:

Hi Sedat, hi Sami, hi!

Sedat Dilek - 29.11.24, 00:10:23 MEZ:

Thanks Sami.

Applied that patch to xdg-utils 1.1.3-4.1 and I can open Links in
quassel IRC client.

Nice!

[…]

"xdg-utils: Add support for KDE 6"
https://bugs.debian.org/1088644

^^ Includes patches

Thanks a lot for reporting this, Sedat!

Also thanks a lot for digging out those patches, Sami!

Great work.

Best,
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Hi Martin,

NIce to help.

Please, see updates in

Link: https://bugs.debian.org/1062449

Thanks for the analysis, but why not just rebase on the last xdg-utils? From a quick check and comparison between the current debian package and the package from Ubuntu 24.10, which ships xdg-utils 1.2.1, nothing specific to ubuntu pop ups and in fact that package seems to work as it is.

And it would probably solve more issues than the current package from 3 years ago (technically a version from 6 years ago, but with some patches).

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On Fri Nov 29, 2024 at 10:16 AM CET, Luigi Toscano wrote:

Thanks for the analysis, but why not just rebase on the last xdg-utils? From a
quick check and comparison between the current debian package and the package from Ubuntu 24.10, which ships xdg-utils 1.2.1, nothing specific to ubuntu pop
ups and in fact that package seems to work as it is.

And it would probably solve more issues than the current package from 3 years ago (technically a version from 6 years ago, but with some patches).

I made an attempt at updating to 1.2.1 [1], but it looks like I was
already too late as 1.2.1 was already uploaded to Debian \o/

Cheers,
Diederik

[1] https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-freedesktop-maintainers/2024-November/002878.html

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 01:14:40PM +0100, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

after some months living in experimental and lots of positive feedback, we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.

After having mostly good experiences in a test VM, I finally took the
plunge for my daily driver. I have some issues:

(1)
I did apt update, apt upgrade first, that worked so far, but left a
couple hundred packages unupdated. The following apt full-upgrade wanted
to remove most of them including plasma-workspace, I didn't let apt do
that and instead did apt install plasma-workspace explicitly, which did
the update alright and only left a few things undone that could be
solved by some additional rounds of apt autoremove, apt upgrade, apt full-upgrade.

(2)
After rebooting (the upgrade also brought a new kernel), I was able to
log in, and found myself in KDE Plasma on Wayland. I used X11 before
since Plasma 5 on Wayland hat a bunch of nasty issues that were so
annoying that I eventually switched back to X11. I am currently still on Wayland to give it a chance.

(2a)
My desktop scaling was put to 125 % (which might be okayish for Full HD
on a 14 Inch, but I decided to put it back to 100 % like it was before.

(3)
The panel looks quite different. The new default style has the Panel
hover over the lower screen edge which wastes a couple of pixels. I
turned that off.

(3a)
How would i move widgets in the panel? Neither "Add or manage widgets"
nor "Show Panel Configuration" allows me to move a widget or to delete
one.

(3b)
The place of the Panel that used to show my open apps is empty. I can
choose Alternatives "Window List", "Icons and Text Window Manager" and
"Icons only Window Manager". "Window List just shows one entry "Plasma Desktop", while the two "Window Manager" entries just display nothing.

(3)
The Virtual Desktop Pager does not show Window Outlines and Window Icons
even if the corresponding check boxes are checked.

(4)
Taking Screenshots with Spectacle doesn't work. The Error Message shown
is "An error occurred while taking a screenshot. KWin screenshot
request failed: The process is not authorized to take a screenshot
Potentially relevant information: - Method: CaptureScreen - Method
specific arguments: "eDP-1""



Summarizing, Plasma 6 on Debian unstable is usable, but has quite a few regressions that some users might find crippling.

I hope that we can work together to solve these issues.

Greetings
Marc

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Hi,

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 02:31:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:

(3a)
How would i move widgets in the panel? Neither "Add or manage widgets"
nor "Show Panel Configuration" allows me to move a widget or to delete
one.

It looks like one needs to select "add or manage widgets" and then left
click on the panel before the widgets can be moved.

(3b)
The place of the Panel that used to show my open apps is empty. I can
choose Alternatives "Window List", "Icons and Text Window Manager" and
"Icons only Window Manager". "Window List just shows one entry "Plasma Desktop", while the two "Window Manager" entries just display nothing.

With a fresh account, the Window Manager applets seem to work
differently, but I still feel it's quite differnt fro what I am used to.

(3)
The Virtual Desktop Pager does not show Window Outlines and Window Icons
even if the corresponding check boxes are checked.

That works in a fresh account.

(4)
Taking Screenshots with Spectacle doesn't work. The Error Message shown
is "An error occurred while taking a screenshot. KWin screenshot
request failed: The process is not authorized to take a screenshot Potentially relevant information: - Method: CaptureScreen - Method
specific arguments: "eDP-1""

That also works in a fresh account.

(5)
The K menu is empty. No Apps, no Favorites, no Nothing.

Any ideas?

Greetings
Marc

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Hej Marc,

Am Samstag, 30. November 2024, 15:54:23 MEZ schrieb Marc Haber:
[...]

(5)
The K menu is empty. No Apps, no Favorites, no Nothing.

Any ideas?

I did an upgrade in a VM where I ran into this issue, but I didn't have
that problem when I upgraded my main machine.
But what restored all icons in the start menu was running
"kbuildsycoca6 --noincremental". That made everything appear again.

In case of further or common issues, we have https://wiki.debian.org/Plasma%206
It's still quite empty and we'll slowly add stuff there as I reckon more people will run into the same issues.


--
Med vänliga hälsningar

Patrick Franz

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Hi.

Marc Haber - 30.11.24, 15:54:23 MEZ:

On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 02:31:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:

(3a)
How would i move widgets in the panel? Neither "Add or manage widgets"
nor "Show Panel Configuration" allows me to move a widget or to delete
one.

It looks like one needs to select "add or manage widgets" and then left
click on the panel before the widgets can be moved.

Confirmed. I am not sure whether this is expected new upstream behavior. I
find it quite cumbersome.

(3b)
The place of the Panel that used to show my open apps is empty. I can choose Alternatives "Window List", "Icons and Text Window Manager" and "Icons only Window Manager". "Window List just shows one entry "Plasma Desktop", while the two "Window Manager" entries just display nothing.

With a fresh account, the Window Manager applets seem to work
differently, but I still feel it's quite differnt fro what I am used to.

I use Icons and Text Window Manager and it works just fine, can't really
tell a difference at the moment. I am not sure, but it may be that I just
did away with the old control panel and created a new one, customizing it again. But I think at least on one machine I did not do that.

(5)
The K menu is empty. No Apps, no Favorites, no Nothing.

Works here. Is that also with a new user account?

Does creating a new standard control panel lead to a working K menu?

One idea would be to "killall plasmashell ; plasmashell" in a terminal
window and look for output whether some QML or icons are missing.

Or just look in user.log? I think that is were Systemd + Rsyslog put
standard output from desktop sessions? Or with journalctl in the right
Systemd unit which might be some user slice or so.

Best,
--
Martin

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Le 30 novembre 2024 16:13:59 GMT+01:00, Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> a écrit :

One idea would be to "killall plasmashell ; plasmashell" in a terminal >window and look for output whether some QML or icons are missing.

For the record the recommended way of restarting plasma is now :
systemctl restart --user plasma-plasmashell.service

(I know it's not for you Martin :-)

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On Thu Nov 28, 2024 at 1:16 PM CET, Diederik de Haas wrote:

On Tue Nov 26, 2024 at 1:49 PM CET, Diederik de Haas wrote:

On Sat Nov 23, 2024 at 1:14 PM CET, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

we're about to upload Plasma 6 to unstable.

The upgrade on my main Sid PC went surprisingly smooth \o/

Found another thing: the webshortcuts module doesn't work anymore.
Error msg: "Could not find plugin webshortcuts"

It does work on my laptop though, but that could be because I (manually) installed some things when I upgraded that to Plasma 6 (when it was in Experimental).

Someone mentioned that Dolphin wasn't upgraded, so I checked my Dolphin
version and saw it at 4:23.08* while a 4:24.08 was available, thus:

aptitude safe-upgrade '?narrow(~i,~V4:23)' -t experimental

That upgraded several packages ... and brought back webshortcuts \o/

Ran such command(s) on my laptop, so that difference is now explained.

Cheers,
Diederik

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On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:48:12PM +0100, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:

Le 30 novembre 2024 16:13:59 GMT+01:00, Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> a écrit :

One idea would be to "killall plasmashell ; plasmashell" in a terminal >window and look for output whether some QML or icons are missing.

For the record the recommended way of restarting plasma is now :
systemctl restart --user plasma-plasmashell.service

Martin wanted the output of the newly started plasmashell in a terminal
for inspection. Restarting via systemctl --user kind of misses the
point.

Greetings
Marc

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On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 04:50:16PM +0100, Patrick Franz wrote:

Am Samstag, 30. November 2024, 15:54:23 MEZ schrieb Marc Haber:
[...]

(5)
The K menu is empty. No Apps, no Favorites, no Nothing.

Any ideas?

I did an upgrade in a VM where I ran into this issue, but I didn't have
that problem when I upgraded my main machine.
But what restored all icons in the start menu was running
"kbuildsycoca6 --noincremental". That made everything appear again.

Yes. The menu is full again, my favorites seem to be gone though. Not a
big loss for me, users will hate this.

And for some reason, spectacle works now again. Can this be causes by
the kbuildsycocoa6 --noincremental call as well? On my unupdated system,
PrtSc invokes spectacle, on the new system, now, it invokes spectacle
--dbus. Might that be a reason?

In case of further or common issues, we have https://wiki.debian.org/Plasma%206
It's still quite empty and we'll slowly add stuff there as I reckon more people will run into the same issues.

Bookmarked, thanks!

Greetings
Marc

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On 2024-11-30, Marc Haber <mh+debian-kde@zugschlus.de> wrote:

(1)
I did apt update, apt upgrade first, that worked so far, but left a
couple hundred packages unupdated. The following apt full-upgrade wanted
to remove most of them including plasma-workspace, I didn't let apt do
that and instead did apt install plasma-workspace explicitly, which did
the update alright and only left a few things undone that could be
solved by some additional rounds of apt autoremove, apt upgrade, apt full-upgrade.

<puts on old man's hat>
Back in the days of the 3-4 and 4-5 upgrades, we needed to tweak some conflicts, dependencies and breaks. And occasionally reintroduce dummy
packages to smooth the upgrade.

I expect the same needing to happen here once the package set mostly
have stabilized.
</hat>

/Sune
- who hasn't been around as long as Marc

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On 2024-12-02, Marc Haber <mh+debian-kde@zugschlus.de> wrote:

I would still step back to your expertise in package dependencies. I
have never worked that deeply inside the apt resolver. If I tried the
magic you did back then it'd have taken me years and hundreds of
uploads to get right.

We also had the apt people on 'speed dial' when doing that.

/Sune

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Copy: debian-kde@lists.debian.org

Would the wiki be an appropriate place to note that I can't detect new devices using kdeconnect from my newly installed laptop? The existing connection on my fully upgraded Sid desktop seems to be working fine.

anxiousmac
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