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  • Re: Plasma 6.3 on X11: kwin is crashing whenever I plug/unplug HDMI ext

    From Erwan David@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 12 22:10:01 2025
    Le 12/02/2025 à 21:24, Aurélien COUDERC a écrit :
    Le mercredi 12 février 2025, 21:08:37 UTC+1 Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
    Hi!

    Just for you to be aware of. If you are on X11 you might want to delay the >> update to Plasma 6.3 in unstable.
    Wow, I didn’t realize people were still using X11.
    How are your xmodlines doing ? :-P

    I stay with X11 (and it's years since there are no more xmodlines) till everything works in wayland. And that's not the case yet.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QXVyw6lsaWVu?= COUDERC@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 12 21:50:01 2025
    Le mercredi 12 février 2025, 21:08:37 UTC+1 Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
    Hi!

    Just for you to be aware of. If you are on X11 you might want to delay the update to Plasma 6.3 in unstable.

    Wow, I didn’t realize people were still using X11.
    How are your xmodlines doing ? :-P

    Bug report on upstream tracker:

    kwin is crashing whenever I plug/unplug HDMI external LCD

    https://bugs.kde.org/499846

    However it is not exactly unusable. After a few crashes I usually have the setup I want. :)

    A fix has already been proposed and as soon as a package with that fix enters the archive you should be fine.

    I’ve just uploaded kwin (4:6.3.0-2) with the fix to unstable.


    Happy hacking,
    --
    Aurélien

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?QXVyw6lsaWVu?= COUDERC@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 12 22:40:01 2025
    Le mercredi 12 février 2025, 21:59:57 UTC+1 Erwan David a écrit :
    I stay with X11

    Yeah that’s fine don’t worry and sorry for the bad joke.
    I wouldn’t have uploaded the fix mere hours after the issue was reported if I didn’t care.


    Happy hacking !
    --
    Aurélien

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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 13 10:00:01 2025
    Hi Erwan. Hi.

    Erwan David - 12.02.25, 21:59:57 MEZ:
    I stay with X11 (and it's years since there are no more xmodlines) till everything works in wayland. And that's not the case yet.

    Haha, I still remember using both "gtf" and "cvt" to generate mode lines.

    Care to elaborate what issues with Wayland you still have?

    Last time I tried basically everything worked for me, even fractional
    scaling within Firefox but… I got a black screen in Nextcloud Talk in full screen mode in Firefox.

    I intend to try Wayland again with Plasma 6.3 which is a new major
    release. Also there have been several Firefox releases since my last
    attempt. But it can be painful. After each switch I need to adapt Plasma configuration as widgets get repositioned in crazy ways, mouse pointer acceleration works differently and so on.

    I sure hope that Wayland works well enough for me and you and everyone
    else soon. It is not that I beg to stay on X11. I like to move. But
    everything needs to work just fine(TM).


    I had this with Pulseaudio back then. I had it with Network Manager back
    then. Probably a dozen of "does is work?" switch cycles to them with
    switching back disappointedly cause something did not work. Pipewire is
    quite the exception. After I finally switched to it a few days ago: No
    issues whatsoever so far. However I did not try Bluetooth so far as I
    disabled necessary Qualcomm driver as it breaks both hibernation and
    suspend big time on this ThinkPad T14 AMD Gen 5.

    Best,
    --
    Martin - please no carbon copy to me

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  • From Martin Steigerwald@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 13 09:50:01 2025
    Hi Aurélien, hi.

    Aurélien COUDERC - 12.02.25, 22:23:40 MEZ:
    Le mercredi 12 février 2025, 21:59:57 UTC+1 Erwan David a écrit :
    I stay with X11

    Yeah that’s fine don’t worry and sorry for the bad joke.

    Haha. It all started as you could not resist to tease me on IRC as I
    reported the issue. :)

    But fair enough, you patched the package!

    I wouldn’t have uploaded the fix mere hours after the issue was reported
    if I didn’t care.

    Thanks for that!

    Fix confirmed.

    Best,
    --
    Martin - please no carbon copy to me

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  • From Sune Vuorela@21:1/5 to Martin Steigerwald on Thu Feb 13 10:30:01 2025
    On 2025-02-13, Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
    Care to elaborate what issues with Wayland you still have?

    I'm still missing a nice way to do custom keyboard layouts.

    Not those minor things with swapping a key or two, but rearranging at
    least 20% of the keys.

    (I'm using a custom version of some-persons modified nordic dvorak that
    isn't official and isn't really documented anywhere ...) Which is
    us-dvorak but with number keys shift/alt like on danish/norwegian/swedish
    and adding in danish letters in relevant places.



    /Sune

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  • From Xavier Brochard@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 13 16:07:47 2025
    A tool or that was uploaded in Sid this week. I don't remember the name but I'm pretty sure it was located in x11 section

    Le jeudi 13 février 2025, 10:24:26 CET Sune Vuorela a écrit :
    On 2025-02-13, Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
    Care to elaborate what issues with Wayland you still have?

    I'm still missing a nice way to do custom keyboard layouts.

    Not those minor things with swapping a key or two, but rearranging at
    least 20% of the keys.

    (I'm using a custom version of some-persons modified nordic dvorak that
    isn't official and isn't really documented anywhere ...) Which is
    us-dvorak but with number keys shift/alt like on danish/norwegian/swedish
    and adding in danish letters in relevant places.



    /Sune


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  • From Salvo Tomaselli@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 14:50:01 2025
    Care to elaborate what issues with Wayland you still have?

    The touchpad of my 3-4 years old thinkpad is unsupported by libinput and the issue is WONTFIX.

    No wayland for me until this laptop dies.

    I use it with plasma-mobile on tablet but I can't use it on my laptop.


    --
    Salvo Tomaselli

    "Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di senso, ragione ed intelletto intendesse che noi ne facessimo a meno."
    -- Galileo Galilei

    https://ltworf.codeberg.page/

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  • From Erwan David@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 16:10:01 2025
    Le 13/02/2025 à 09:50, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
    Hi Erwan. Hi.

    Erwan David - 12.02.25, 21:59:57 MEZ:
    I stay with X11 (and it's years since there are no more xmodlines) till
    everything works in wayland. And that's not the case yet.
    Haha, I still remember using both "gtf" and "cvt" to generate mode lines.

    Care to elaborate what issues with Wayland you still have?

    Last time I tried : not possible to put shortcuts on Meta+KP-key (I use
    this for tiling, should be possible since It works in gnome)

    No equivalent to wmctrl. It is a pain not to be able to
    *programmaticaly* place all my windows (including the firefox windows,
    once they get their title) at startup time on specific desktop

    I use wmctrl for this, no equivalent in wayland.

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