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  • Re: Bookworm: Dolphin no longer shows "RMB click > Open with > Other ap

    From luca.pedrielli@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 18:40:01 2023
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    Il 13/02/23 18:16, Helge Reimer ha scritto:
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 06:37:37 CET schrieb local10:

    When doing the above, Dolphin used to show a dialog that would allow to
    select an alternative app that would be used to open the file but not
    anymore.
    I haven't noticed it before because I rarely use it, but here it's the same problem.
    I'm using Debian Sid with the same Dolphin version 4:22.12.2-1.

    is xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed?

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    Saluti, Luca Pedrielli

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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">When doing the above, Dolphin used to show a dialog that would allow to
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    I haven't noticed it before because I rarely use it, but here it's the same problem.
    I'm using Debian Sid with the same Dolphin version 4:22.12.2-1.

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    style="color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;">is
    xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed?</span><br>
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  • From Helge Reimer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 18:30:01 2023
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 06:37:37 CET schrieb local10:

    When doing the above, Dolphin used to show a dialog that would allow to select an alternative app that would be used to open the file but not anymore.

    I haven't noticed it before because I rarely use it, but here it's the same problem.
    I'm using Debian Sid with the same Dolphin version 4:22.12.2-1.

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    Gruß
    Helge

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  • From luca.pedrielli@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 19:00:01 2023
    Il 13/02/23 18:51, Helge Reimer ha scritto:
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 18:29:39 CET schrieb luca.pedrielli:

    is xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed?
    Now yes. And that solved it. Thanks.
    I always wonder how you should know about this.
    It has always worked and suddenly an additional package is needed. Where is that written?


    if you start dolphin in console a message error says that org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.kde is not found

    and yes, maybe a dependency is needed

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  • From Helge Reimer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 19:00:01 2023
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 18:29:39 CET schrieb luca.pedrielli:

    is xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed?

    Now yes. And that solved it. Thanks.
    I always wonder how you should know about this.
    It has always worked and suddenly an additional package is needed. Where is that written?


    --
    Gruß
    Helge

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  • From local10@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 21:00:01 2023
    Feb 13, 2023, 17:30 by agoiza@gmail.com:

    is xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed?

    -- Saluti, Luca Pedrielli



    Installing xdg-desktop-portal-kde solved it for me.

    Not happy about the change though. KDE devs reworked the "Open with" dialog and not for the better, IMO. Now it has huge icons that occupy several pages, no organization, no way to reduce the icon size. The old dialog had everything neatly organized,
    even showed what section the target app belonged to (Development, Internet, Multimedia, etc). With the old dialog one could find the app even without knowing its exact name, just by browsing the related sections. Anyhow, it words.


    Thanks to everyone who responded.

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  • From Helge Reimer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 21:20:01 2023
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 20:58:08 CET schrieb local10:

    Not happy about the change though. KDE devs reworked the "Open with" dialog and not for the better, IMO. Now it has huge icons that occupy several
    pages, no organization, no way to reduce the icon size. The old dialog had everything neatly organized, even showed what section the target app
    belonged to (Development, Internet, Multimedia, etc). With the old dialog
    one could find the app even without knowing its exact name, just by
    browsing the related sections. Anyhow, it words.

    Unfortunately I have to agree.
    I was almost shocked when I saw the window for the first time.

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    Helge

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien?= COUDERC@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 23:10:01 2023
    Le lundi 13 février 2023, 18:51:53 CET Helge Reimer a écrit :
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 18:29:39 CET schrieb luca.pedrielli:
    is xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed?

    Now yes. And that solved it. Thanks.
    I always wonder how you should know about this.
    It has always worked and suddenly an additional package is needed. Where is that written?

    You shouldn’t, that’s a packing bug.
    It’s fine to raise this kind of issue here, thanks for that ! and I will fix it
    in the next upload.

    To give some background, when working on KDE packaging we usually update whole package sets in one go. That’s 83 frameworks source packages, ~45 plasma, over
    200 Gear, and several times that number in binary packages.
    When the packages build we then install the whole set to ensure they’re not broken.
    So on our packaging machines we usually have all the packages installed and don’t notice these kind of issues.

    Some packages declare these runtime dependencies as such in their cmake makefile but not all of them do, so your testing and feedback is appreciated so
    we can fix it for everyone else.


    Le lundi 13 février 2023, 21:17:16 CET Helge Reimer a écrit :
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 20:58:08 CET schrieb local10:
    Not happy about the change though. KDE devs reworked the "Open with"
    dialog
    and not for the better, IMO. Now it has huge icons that occupy several pages, no organization, no way to reduce the icon size. The old dialog had everything neatly organized, even showed what section the target app belonged to (Development, Internet, Multimedia, etc). With the old dialog one could find the app even without knowing its exact name, just by browsing the related sections. Anyhow, it words.

    Unfortunately I have to agree.
    I was almost shocked when I saw the window for the first time.

    I have to disagree with that.
    I never liked the old « open with » window which I found hard to navigate.
    Hard to make everyone happy I guess…


    Happy hacking !
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    Aurélien

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  • From Brad Rogers@21:1/5 to Helge Reimer on Mon Feb 13 23:10:01 2023
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:17:16 +0100
    Helge Reimer <hrnews@onlinehome.de> wrote:

    Hello Helge,

    Unfortunately I have to agree.

    Same. It is truly awful.

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  • From local10@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 00:00:01 2023
    Feb 13, 2023, 22:12 by hrnews@onlinehome.de:

    In general, the window is ok.
    But it's already quite big, with large icons and no customization options.



    There are several issues with that window:

    1. Requires extra clicks, counterintuitive. If you open the new "Open with" window and start typing you won't find the app you're looking for because the window initially limits the apps only to "standard" apps and you have to click the "Show other apps"
    button to see other apps.

    This is really not smart as the reason one would use the "Open with > Other apps" window is because one's not satisfied with the initially presented apps and wants to see other apps.

    2. Large icons, no organization, no customization, the list of all apps takes several pages.

    3. One has to know the name of the app to find it. In the old window it was possible just browse the section where the app may be located and find it.

    So the new window is definitely not an improvement in my view.

    Regards,

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  • From Helge Reimer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 23:20:01 2023
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 22:51:45 CET schrieb Aurélien COUDERC:

    Now yes. And that solved it. Thanks.
    I always wonder how you should know about this.
    It has always worked and suddenly an additional package is needed. Where
    is
    that written?

    You shouldn’t, that’s a packing bug.
    It’s fine to raise this kind of issue here, thanks for that ! and I will fix
    it in the next upload.

    Very nice info. Thanks for that.
    That means xdg-desktop-portal-kde is not required and we are waiting for the bug fix?

    I have to disagree with that.
    I never liked the old « open with » window which I found hard to navigate.
    Hard to make everyone happy I guess…

    In general, the window is ok.
    But it's already quite big, with large icons and no customization options.

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  • From Helge Reimer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 00:10:01 2023
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 23:53:03 CET schrieb local10:

    There are several issues with that window:

    That's not progress for me either.
    And it's completely inconsistent with e.g. krunner.

    It seems to me that Discover should be given more prominence.

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_COUDERC?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 00:30:01 2023
    Le 13 février 2023 23:06:31 GMT+01:00, Helge Reimer <hrnews@onlinehome.de> a écrit :
    Am Montag, 13. Februar 2023, 22:51:45 CET schrieb Aurélien COUDERC:

    Now yes. And that solved it. Thanks.
    I always wonder how you should know about this.
    It has always worked and suddenly an additional package is needed. Where >> > is
    that written?

    You shouldn’t, that’s a packing bug.
    It’s fine to raise this kind of issue here, thanks for that ! and I will fix
    it in the next upload.

    Very nice info. Thanks for that.
    That means xdg-desktop-portal-kde is not required and we are waiting for the >bug fix?

    No, it's still required but I will add it to the list of recommended packages so it gets installed automatically on upgrade.


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    Aurélien

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aur=E9lien_COUDERC?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 08:10:01 2023
    Le 13 février 2023 23:53:03 GMT+01:00, local10 <local10@tutanota.com> a écrit :
    Feb 13, 2023, 22:12 by hrnews@onlinehome.de:

    In general, the window is ok.
    But it's already quite big, with large icons and no customization options. >>


    There are several issues with that window:

    1. Requires extra clicks, counterintuitive. If you open the new "Open with" window and start typing you won't find the app you're looking for because the window initially limits the apps only to "standard" apps and you have to click the "Show other apps"
    button to see other apps.

    This is really not smart as the reason one would use the "Open with > Other apps" window is because one's not satisfied with the initially presented apps and wants to see other apps.

    This at least will be fixed in 5.27.1 : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464521


    Cheers,
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    Aurélien

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  • From local10@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 22 10:40:01 2023
    Feb 18, 2023, 06:51 by libre@coucouf.fr:

    This is really not smart as the reason one would use the "Open with > Other apps" window is because one's not satisfied with the initially presented apps and wants to see other apps.

    This at least will be fixed in 5.27.1 : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=464521



    Thanks for looking into this, hopefully it will make it into Bookworm.

    Regards,

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