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  • Re: Proposal: Debian-AI =?utf-8?B?4oCUIA==?= =?utf-8?Q?A?= Free and Ope

    From Hanno 'Rince' Wagner@21:1/5 to su su on Sun Jun 29 00:30:01 2025
    Hi su,

    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025, su su wrote:

    I believe we are entering an era where AI systems may become the next generation of operating systems.

    I disagree.

    Not because it is not possible (I fear people will claim such a thing
    would be useful, but never say for whom) but because it contradict
    Debian. And also, because we have an operating system which is working
    fine. why should we care about such a thing as an "AI Operating
    System" while Linux in our distribution is fine?

    best regards, Hanno Wagner
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  • From Charles Plessy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 29 03:30:01 2025
    Hi Su,

    fresh enthousiasm is always nice to hear! You will have to move a
    mountain, but don't despair!

    If you know Debian well enough then you are surely aware that Debian
    focuses on integration and tends to not develop system-wide components
    anymore. Therefore if you want to see more AI in Debian, then I think
    that you need to add your energy to those working on identifying and
    removing the roadblocks, which range from packaging core libraries and
    tools, access to hardware, data, and high-quality models, consensus on
    what makes AI "Free" (please note the current work already done on that
    topic), consensus on what should be the energy footprint of a "Free"
    operating system, etc.

    If you want to innovate on the use of autonomous agents to administrate
    an OS on the user's behalf (yes please! if only AI could manage the
    power saving of my laptop…), then there is a lot of research that has be
    done upfront and while it would be nice to hear that it is done on
    Debian systems, it is not a strict requirement. This said if you want
    to see the fruit of this research in Debian then you surely need to pay attention to the paragraph above :)

    And before all, Debian is also a commmunity of developers and users. At
    some point you need to be visible and appreciated. I note that you used
    two different Gmail addresses in this thread. If you need to stay
    anonymous you need to learn how to be recognised despite that
    constraint. Here is a hint, but I am far from expert on that topic.

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/11/msg00003.html

    I just asked "How can I contribute anonymously to Debian?" to the free
    version of Copilot, and it did not mention anything on the above. As
    you see the gap is still very large.

    Have a nice day,

    Charles

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