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  • Re: question with the Debian Project

    From Yadd@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 12:10:01 2022
    On 29/07/2022 11:13, 桑猛 wrote:
    Hello debian,I am a user of debian system and belong to the company
    Loongson Zhongke. We have our own loongarch architecture. Now we want to adapt our loongarch architecture based on debian12 or debian13.

    We would like to get the *version of some packages* on debian 12 and
    Debian 13 to help us choose which version to use as our next system version.

    The packages are as follows(Some packages can be obtained from public information):

    Hi,

    Debian 12 is planed around 2023 and Debian 13 around 2025!

    Package versions for Debian 12 can change until release, but you can
    still see current versions of these packages using
    https://packages.debian.org (search packages in "testing" version)

    Cheers,
    Yadd

    package name debian12（ Bookworm） package version debian13（Trixie）
    package version
    kernel 5.18.0
    gcc 11.3
    glibc 2.33-8
    binutils 2.38.90.20220713-2
    libffi 3.4.2-4
    libunwind
    llvm
    golang
    rustc
    luajit
    grub2 2.06-3
    systemd 251.2-7
    qtwebengine
    openssl 3.0.4
    Qt
    gzip 1.12-1
    zlib 1:1.2.11.dfsg-4
    libjpeg
    linpng 16_1.6.37
    libpixman
    skia
    cairo
    ffmpeg
    libx264
    python 3_3.10.5-3
    perl 5.34.0-5
    .net
    openjdk
    qemu
    libvirt


    can i get your help?

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  • From Andrey Rahmatullin@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 12:20:01 2022
    On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 05:13:38PM +0800, 桑猛 wrote:
    Hello debian,I am a user of debian system and belong to the company Loongson Zhongke. We have our own loongarch architecture. Now we want to adapt our loongarch architecture based on debian12 or debian13.

    We would like to get the version of some packages on debian 12 and Debian 13 to help us choose which version to use as our next system version.
    I don't think anyone can say what versions will trixie contain, apart from
    a very small number of projects with fixed release schedules. On the other hand, I don't think you would care about versions that are not released
    yet and so you know nothing about them anyway.
    As for bookworm, some people responsible may be able to give estimations
    but the freeze is in 6 months so many versions are not known either. You
    can check the current versions in testing using tracker.debian.org, packages.debian.org, rmadison or apt.

    --
    WBR, wRAR

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  • From Steffen Moeller@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 13:30:01 2022
    Am 29.07.2022 um 12:09 schrieb Andrey Rahmatullin:
    On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 05:13:38PM +0800, 桑猛 wrote:
    Hello debian,I am a user of debian system and belong to the company Loongson Zhongke. We have our own loongarch architecture. Now we want to adapt our loongarch architecture based on debian12 or debian13.

    We would like to get the version of some packages on debian 12 and Debian 13 to help us choose which version to use as our next system version.
    I don't think anyone can say what versions will trixie contain, apart from
    a very small number of projects with fixed release schedules. On the other hand, I don't think you would care about versions that are not released
    yet and so you know nothing about them anyway.
    As for bookworm, some people responsible may be able to give estimations
    but the freeze is in 6 months so many versions are not known either. You
    can check the current versions in testing using tracker.debian.org, packages.debian.org, rmadison or apt.

    Hm. These packages are mostly core packages from how I interpret them.
    And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson will turn into another flavor
    of MIPS as a separate architecture if I get this right. So, just
    guessing, but I sense that the challenge is to prepare all those core
    packages for a brand new architecture that yet nobody has access to.

    Concerning the question what distribution to target - I propose sid. And whenever the packages have seen all the updates/changes required to run
    on MIPS-Loongarch then these will soon also be in testing, which with a
    bit of luck is then Bookworm, still. With core packages being the first
    that are to be frozen for the release, this all needs to happen within
    the next 6 months. No idea about how realistic that is. Also, the Loongarch-motivated changes should go to upstream, not into debian/patches.

    I suggest to organize porter boxes and build demons, and maybe spread a
    few machines to key individuals, whoever that may be. Concerning the
    exact version of the core packages, because of your special hardware you
    likely need a respective collaboration with the Debian developers
    anyway. Just work with them to get the packages you need updated to the
    version that you need.

    Debian has this concept of Sprints, see https://wiki.debian.org/Sprints
    . It may be fruitful to prepare for an intense extended weekend together
    to get this going.

    Best wishes,
    Steffen <moeller>

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  • From Paul Wise@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 30 03:30:01 2022
    On Fri, 2022-07-29 at 17:13 +0800, 桑猛 wrote:

     Hello debian,I am a user of debian system and belong to the company Loongson Zhongke. We have our own loongarch architecture.

    Please check out our documentation on how to create new Debian ports,
    it has the steps you will need to get LoongArch supported by Debian
    and there is a wiki page for the status of loongarch64 in Debian.

    https://wiki.debian.org/PortsDocs/New
    https://wiki.debian.org/LoongArch
    https://wiki.debian.org/Ports/loongarch64

    To update the wiki pages, please register an account and click edit.

    Now we want to adapt our loongarch architecture based on debian12 or debian13. We would like to get the version of some packages on debian
    12 and Debian 13 to help us choose which version to use as our next
    system version.

    According to the documentation above, new official ports are based
    solely on Debian unstable/sid, which is constantly being updated with
    new versions daily, at least until the freeze for bookworm in 2023.

    https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2022/03/msg00008.html https://release.debian.org/#release-dates

    Probably there isn't enough time before the freeze to include
    loongarch64 within the official Debian ports, so the first official
    Debian release that could include loongarch64 would be 13 (trixie).

    If you are talking about an unofficial loongarch64 port available
    outside of Debian, then you should base your next release of the port
    on the next available release of Debian, which is 12 (bookworm) and is constantly being updated with new versions, at least until the freeze.

    Please note that there is talk of a tier system for Debian ports and
    that work is likely to change some of the new port process details.

    https://gobby.debian.org/export/debconf22/bof/tier-architecture-system https://debconf22.debconf.org/talks/47-investigating-a-tier-system-for-release-architectures/

    --
    bye,
    pabs

    https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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