• Bug#1105997: apt: [INTL:fr] fix missing space French man page translati

    From bubub@no-log.org@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 17:40:01 2025
    Package: apt
    Version: 2.3.9
    Severity: wishlist
    Tags: patch l10n

    Hello,
    spaces are missing in the french fr.po.
    Here's a diff to fix it,

    Greatings,
    bubu

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  • From Julian Andres Klode@21:1/5 to bubub@no-log.org on Fri Jun 13 17:50:01 2025
    On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 05:33:17PM +0200, bubub@no-log.org wrote:
    Package: apt
    Version: 2.3.9
    Severity: wishlist
    Tags: patch l10n

    Hello,
    spaces are missing in the french fr.po.
    Here's a diff to fix it,

    Greatings,
    bubu

    A670 FB2A 3958 A27E 7907 B64E 05FC 409F 82B8 91B2

    Hi, there are some more suggestions in 1106893, I attached the email,
    please have a look and let me know what we should merge. I have not
    done a review yet due to the conflicting states.

    I can also do a full review of the 3.0 interface translation first
    from a visual perspective, given the lack of language knowledge.
    --
    debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev
    ubuntu core developer i speak de, en

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    Subject: Re: apt: [INTL:fr] fix missing space in French translation Followup-For: Bug #1105997
    Package: apt
    Version: 3.0.2

    Dear Translater/Maintainer,

    Here is a small diff against fr.po version, 3.1.0.

    It fixes 3 things:

    - missing space in 3 different lines
    - wording harmonisation: Mise à niveau -> Mise à jour (used everywhere else) - wording harmonisation: suppression of "de " (not used everywhere else)

    Hope it helps making a better trixie and thanks for all your work,

    --
    Emmanuel Halbwachs

    --xH1POdZ/FeXX56sl
    Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset=utf-8
    Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="fr.po.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    # SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.
    # Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc.
    # FIRST AUTHOR <EMAIL@ADDRESS>, YEAR.
    #
    #, fuzzy
    msgid ""
    msgstr ""
    "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n"
    "PO-Revision-Date: 2025-05-31 15:52+0200\n"
    "Last-Translator: FULL NAME <EMAIL@ADDRESS>\n"
    "Language-Team: LANGUAGE <LL@li.org>\n"
    "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
    "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n"
    "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"

    --- fr.po 2025-05-19 19:13:54.000000000 +0200
    +++ fr.po.new 2025-05-31 15:41:39.913518989 +0200
    @@ -15,7 +15,7 @@
    "Project-Id-Version: apt 1.0.5\n"
    "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>\n"
    "POT-Creation-Date: 2025-05-19 18:28+0200\n"
    -"PO-Revision-Date: 2025-03-07 12:02+0100\n"
    +"PO-Revision-Date: 2025-05-31 15:41+0200\n"
    "Last-Translator: bubu <bubub@no-log.org>\n"
    "Language-Team: French <debian-l10n-french@lists.debian.org>\n"
    "Language: fr\n"
    @@ -2507,7 +2507,7 @@
    #: apt-private/private-output.cc
    #, c-format
    msgid "Upgrading: %lu, Installing: %lu, "
    -msgstr "Mise à niveau de : %lu. Installation de : %lu"
    +msgstr "Mise à jour : %lu. Installation : %lu. "

    #: apt-private/private-output.cc
    #, c-format
    @@ -2517,7 +2517,7 @@
    #: apt-private/private-output.cc
    #, c-format
    msgid "Reinstalling: %lu, "
    -msgstr "Réinstallation de : %lu."
    +msgstr "Réinstallation : %lu. "

    #: apt-private/private-output.cc
    #, c-format
    @@ -2527,7 +2527
  • From Julian Andres Klode@21:1/5 to Julian Andres Klode on Fri Jun 13 18:00:01 2025
    On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 05:44:19PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
    On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 05:33:17PM +0200, bubub@no-log.org wrote:
    Package: apt
    Version: 2.3.9
    Severity: wishlist
    Tags: patch l10n

    Hello,
    spaces are missing in the french fr.po.
    Here's a diff to fix it,

    Greatings,
    bubu

    A670 FB2A 3958 A27E 7907 B64E 05FC 409F 82B8 91B2

    Hi, there are some more suggestions in 1106893, I attached the email,
    please have a look and let me know what we should merge. I have not
    done a review yet due to the conflicting states.

    I can also do a full review of the 3.0 interface translation first
    from a visual perspective, given the lack of language knowledge.
    --
    debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev
    ubuntu core developer i speak de, en

    Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 15:59:05 +0200
    From: Emmanuel Halbwachs <Emmanuel.Halbwachs@obspm.fr>
    To: submit@bugs.debian.org
    Subject: Bug#1106893: apt: [INTL:fr] fix missing space in French translation Reply-To: Emmanuel Halbwachs <Emmanuel.Halbwachs@obspm.fr>,
    1106893@bugs.debian.org
    X-Debian-PR-Package: apt
    Message-ID: <aDsLKeJejpnzrFsR@bop.lan>
    List-Id: <deity.lists.debian.org>
    Tags: lists lists/apt

    Subject: Re: apt: [INTL:fr] fix missing space in French translation Followup-For: Bug #1105997
    Package: apt
    Version: 3.0.2

    Dear Translater/Maintainer,

    Here is a small diff against fr.po version, 3.1.0.

    It fixes 3 things:

    - missing space in 3 different lines
    - wording harmonisation: Mise à niveau -> Mise à jour (used everywhere else) - wording harmonisation: suppression of "de " (not used everywhere else)

    Hope it helps making a better trixie and thanks for all your work,

    --
    Emmanuel Halbwachs

    # SOME DESCRIPTIVE TITLE.
    # Copyright (C) YEAR Free Software Foundation, Inc.
    # FIRST AUTHOR <EMAIL@ADDRESS>, YEAR.
    #
    #, fuzzy
    msgid ""
    msgstr ""
    "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n"
    "PO-Revision-Date: 2025-05-31 15:52+0200\n"
    "Last-Translator: FULL NAME <EMAIL@ADDRESS>\n"
    "Language-Team: LANGUAGE <LL@li.org>\n"
    "MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
    "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=CHARSET\n"
    "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"

    --- fr.po 2025-05-19 19:13:54.000000000 +0200
    +++ fr.po.new 2025-05-31 15:41:39.913518989 +0200
    @@ -15,7 +15,7 @@
    "Project-Id-Version: apt 1.0.5\n"
    "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>\n"
    "POT-Creation-Date: 2025-05-19 18:28+0200\n"
    -"PO-Revision-Date: 2025-03-07 12:02+0100\n"
    +"PO-Revision-Date: 2025-05-31 15:41+0200\n"
    "Last-Translator: bubu <bubub@no-log.org>\n"
    "Language-Team: French <debian-l10n-french@lists.debian.org>\n"
    "Language: fr\n"
    @@ -2507,7 +2507,7 @@
    #: apt-private/private-output.cc
    #, c-format
    msgid "Upgrading: %lu, Installing: %lu, "
    -msgstr "Mise à niveau de : %lu. Installation de : %lu"
    +msgstr "Mise à jour : %lu. Installation : %lu. "

    This change is correct to match the actual headings:



    msgid "Upgrading:"
    msgstr "Mis à jour :"

    msgid "Installing:"
    msgstr "Installation de :"

    msgid "Installing dependencies:"
    msgstr "Installation de dépendances : "

    msgid "REMOVING:"
    msgstr "SUPPRESSION :"

    msgid "Not upgrading:"
    msgstr "Pas mis à jour :"

    msgid "Upgrading:"
    msgstr "Mis à jour :"

    msgid "DOWNGRADING:"
    msgstr "RÉTROGRADÉ :"

    these should match with

    msgid "Upgrading: %lu, Installing: %lu, "
    msgstr "Mise à niveau de : %lu. Installation de : %lu. "

    msgid "Reinstalling: %lu, "
    msgstr "Réinstallation de : %lu. "

    msgid "Downgrading: %lu, "
    msgstr "Rétrogradage de : %lu. "

    #, c-format
    msgid "Removing: %lu, Not Upgrading: %lu\n"
    msgstr "Supprimé : %lu. Non mis à jour : %lu\n"


    The first group of items is section headings explaining
    actions to be taken with lists of packages; whereas the
    second builds a summary line with the numbers for each
    section.

    Therefore, all of these verbs should use the same tense,
    and matching terms should be actually matching, not

    RÉTROGRADÉ vs Rétrogradage de 
    Mis à jour vs Mise à niveau de


    It seems to me that the grammatical forms are different
    on the sections which is ill-advised, it should indicate
    an action. Common forms in other langauges are progressive verbs
    (Installing:), imperative forms (Install:), or future tense
    (Will Install: - not used in english because too long).

    It should be clear to the user that these are actions that
    will be taken by coherent tenses that indicate an action in
    your language, in the fewest words possibly, and not necessarily
    grammatically complete ("Installing:" also is not complete, it
    would be "will be installing" or "am installing" or something).

    I hope this helps and I apologize for the hard to work with
    strings. I hope to, in the future, reduce this to an ordered
    set of strings in the form that you get

    "Installing" // TRANSLATORS: Long version for heading a section
    "Installing" // TRANSLATORS: Short version for summary line

    or just one of them (and we compose the summary from the actual
    translations for the real section titles), or only complete
    summary lines.
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