Hey folks.
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays.
I tried to search for "telegram" in archives of this ML but I found just ITPs for some random packages.
Did we consider adding (I intentionally try to avoid word switching)
some new channels for communication among devs? How about debian-devel channel on Telegram?
I created one
https://t.me/debian_devel
Of course I'm willing to give admin access to it to whoever we decide is correct person / group to cover that.
Do we even have people that could do that?
Hey folks.
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of
communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays.
On 19/07/2022 21:04, Wookey wrote:
On 2022-07-19 21:01 +0200, Bartosz Fenski wrote:
Hey folks.Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of
communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think
modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical >>> nowadays.
own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients.
I'm increasingly using it to replace IRC (with bridges if
appropriate). I'd be happy to see debian move channels from IRC to
Matrix. I'm not happy about moving them to Telegram or Signal, which
are obviously a great improvement on Whatsapp but still only
somewhat-free. Telegram has non-free back-end. Signal is presumably OK
if you run your own back-end, but you try to use the centralised one
then you can't build your own client (or at least it's made extremely
difficult). Signal requires an active mobile phone number to use (not
sure if telegram is the same).
I'm fine with IRC too. It's not broken, but unless you have your own
permanent IRC client instance somewhere it's not great. Having the
store and-forward done by someone else (unless you want to still do it
yourself) is nice.
Wookey
I agree.
Importantly, Matrix is (1) federated, (2) can be bridged with other
networks, eg IRC.
(as well as being open and free). Its hard to see Signal inter-operating
to others. As tech evolves, we need to stick to principles of being open
in the sense of federation, not being centralized.
On 2022-07-19 21:01 +0200, Bartosz Fenski wrote:
Hey folks.Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of
communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I think
modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical
nowadays.
own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients.
I'm increasingly using it to replace IRC (with bridges if
appropriate). I'd be happy to see debian move channels from IRC to
Matrix. I'm not happy about moving them to Telegram or Signal, which
are obviously a great improvement on Whatsapp but still only
somewhat-free. Telegram has non-free back-end. Signal is presumably OK
if you run your own back-end, but you try to use the centralised one
then you can't build your own client (or at least it's made extremely difficult). Signal requires an active mobile phone number to use (not
sure if telegram is the same).
I'm fine with IRC too. It's not broken, but unless you have your own permanent IRC client instance somewhere it's not great. Having the
store and-forward done by someone else (unless you want to still do it yourself) is nice.
Wookey
Hi,
Is there a GUI Desktop client to use https://element.debian.social ?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more >practical nowadays.
It would also be simply easier and much more practical nowadays to
ship an official installer that allows installation on modern hardware without hiding our head away in "we're fully free, but sadly we dont
run on modern hardware unless you ditch that and use those unofficial
images"
Hey folks.
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of
communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays.
I tried to search for "telegram" in archives of this ML but I found
just ITPs for some random packages.
Did we consider adding (I intentionally try to avoid word switching)
some new channels for communication among devs? How about debian-devel channel on Telegram?
I created one
https://t.me/debian_devel
Of course I'm willing to give admin access to it to whoever we decide
is correct person / group to cover that.
Do we even have people that could do that?
I don't want to start flamewar. REALLY.
regards
IMHO, a (official) communcation channel for a project like Debian has
two requirements which are not met by Telegram:
1. Infrastructure should be controlled by the project.
2. Protocols should be standardized and universal. Ideally, users
should have free choice of their clients for various platforms.
Mailing list and IRC meet those criterea. Telegram does not.
IMHO, a (official) communcation channel for a project like Debian has
two requirements which are not met by Telegram:
1. Infrastructure should be controlled by the project.
2. Protocols should be standardized and universal. Ideally, users
should have free choice of their clients for various platforms.
Mailing list and IRC meet those criterea. Telegram does not.
Regards
You can also keep a session open if you have a small SOC/board aroundSeriously.
(screen tmux are her for that) without BNC/ZNC honeypot things.
No need for those fancy, bloated, full of javascript modern thingsThe irony in this email thread is so good.
blinking like a Christmas tree.
Let's keep all the thing FOSS, KISS, lightweight and solid as a rock.
I'd try to stay closer to FOSS decentralized solution like Mattermost or Rocket Chat (not sure how and if it evolved to the point of beingShouldn't this have gone to -curiosa instead?
usable).
On Tue, Jul 19 2022 at 09:01:22 PM +02:00:00 +02:00:00, Bartosz
Fenski <bartosz@fenski.pl> wrote:
Hey folks.
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of
communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much
more practical nowadays.
Both Matrix and XMPP has bridges to IRC and both have built-in
browsers.
Hey folks.
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of
communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:09:57AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bcue wrote:
I'd try to stay closer to FOSS decentralized solution like Mattermost or Rocket Chat (not sure how and if it evolved to the point of beingShouldn't this have gone to -curiosa instead?
usable).
Matrix please. It's free software all the way through. We can run our
own server. Not-mobile-phones are 1st class clients.
Signal is presumably OK if you run your own back-end,
I switched to Matrix (and its IRC bridge) as I no longer wanted to run an
IRC bouncer.
It works reasonably well.
Using a "native" debian/debian-devel room would be an alternative I'd prefer over a Telegram channel.
On Tue, Jul 19 2022 at 09:01:22 PM +02:00:00 +02:00:00, Bartosz Fenski <bartosz@fenski.pl> wrote:
Hey folks.
Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of communication?
I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I
think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays.
Both Matrix and XMPP has bridges to IRC and both have built-in browsers.
From philosophical point of view both Matrix and XMPP are fine (free
software on client plus server and federated).
Self hosting Matrix requires much more resources compared to XMPP (more disk space, processing, memory and constant updating). Matrix definitely have
more appealing clients and XMPP clients still need more work in this area.
As some one who self host both (at https://poddery.com), I prefer hosting XMPP over Matrix. There are also bridges between XMPP and Matrix too.
For using the xmpp irc bridge, see https://irc.cheogram.com for the mapping syntax. For example #debconf%irc.oftc.net@irc.cheogram.com will connect you to #debconf on OFTC IRC.
I created one
https://t.me/debian_devel
Of course I'm willing to give admin access to it to whoever we decide is correct person / group to cover that.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:01:22 +0200 Bartosz Fenski wrote:
I created oneYou created broadcasting channel. Only you and admins can post there.
https://t.me/debian_devel
Of course I'm willing to give admin access to it to whoever we decide is
correct person / group to cover that.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:51:45AM +0800, xiao sheng wen(肖盛文) wrote:
Hi,Yes, nheko in the archive[1]
Is there a GUI Desktop client to use https://element.debian.social ?
There is element desktop as well, which is not packaged yet, and
whose unofficial (upstream packaging) `.deb's are here[2] in case you want these (not very recommended though)
[1]: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nheko
[2]: https://element.io/get-started#linux-details
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